GRB777

Murder is wrong on every level. GOD'S law forbids it. Professing Christians claim his law has been done away, what rubbish. Others claim that GOD instructed Joshua to kill and wipe out whole civilizations, like the sons of Anak. This is the problem with ignorance; the sons of Anak were not human. They were hybrid giants produced from fallen angels and human women- Gen.6. The flood drowned the giants but human DNA was contaminated; including many animal species. GOD didn't create monsters like the T-Rex, fallen angels did that. GOD doesn't compromise with his law, men do that. Men choose to do the wrong thing, claim that it's the right thing to do , problem solved, there is no problem. NASA, your minister, your teachers have all lied to you. You're responsible for your behavior; educate yourself and get all things right. Don't believe me, proof all things for yourself.

JW

Where did I say I validated anything? I am arguing a position, not necessarily my position.

I'll give you a brief statement of my position:

I demand the right to live my life within the bounds of the law, under the US Constitution, as written, without interference from busybodies and self styled do-gooders, usually called Democrats, but not limited to them. I grant that I must guarantee that right to those with whom I may disagree in order that my own right might be secured.

On abortion; it is the law of the land. If performed within the first twenty weeks, I see it as a woman's decision and no one else's. After twenty weeks I am personally opposed to it and beyond the point of independent viability, I consider it a crime, the law does not.

On religion; the right to follow ones religious and moral codes is guaranteed by the Bill of Rights which does not restrict where it may be practiced. The right to openly display one's religious convictions is guaranteed by the First Amendment and the court's modern restrictions are a violation of the intent and the guarantees of that amendment.

On financial matters; every agreement with the government involves a restriction of personal rights. The less we get from the government the less encumbered our liberties remain. Ideally, the government should be limited to protecting the nation and fixing the roads, period.

On the law; we have means and methods granted us by the Founders to adapt to changing conditions brought on by circumstances and time. That does not include legislating from the judge's bench.

If you don't think those positions define Conservatism, you really have no understanding of Conservatism.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Dictionary.com
human being
noun
1. Any individual of the genus Homo, especially a member of the species Homo sapiens.
2. A person, especially as distinguished from other animals or as representing the human species.

For a biblical definition of a person, see link below:

http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/person-personhood.html

Kazudy

Don't lie to yourself, you are not a conservative.

JW

That defines the human, the creature. What is a human being?

I have children. I have family. I accept that they are human beings as a matter of convenience and convention because they function within society at competent levels as opposed to my cats that also function in my society but not at what are generally considered competent human levels.

JW

You are missing the point. There are TWO sides that both deserve consideration. I find self-righteous ignorance of opposing views offensive.

JW

You are not in a position to judge me nor do you set the standard of conservatism.

JW

As I've said elsewhere, your #1 defines the creature, not the being. Your #2 might define the being but the Bible is your authority, not a scientific authority. You are not bound by science if you so choose, I am not bound by your religious conventions if I so choose.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Who told you that you were a conservative?

Conservatives believe in the sanctity of life, and the protection of innocent human life.

At one time, the humanity of a fetus was unknown. Now it's a medical/scientific 100% clinically proven certainty. This is not a consensus conclusion, guestimate, approximation, speculation or prediction. It's a proven fact.

Again, please answer.

How do you know your children are human beings? Are you certain that they are entitled to protection from a post-birth abortion?

JW

Conservatives believe in many things. Not all agree on all points. One thing all Conservatives must agree on is the right to live one's own life. Fail in that and you are no Conservative. Fail in that and you're not even American.

I answered your question.

Post birth abortion? Really? You are sounding like an anti-abortion fanatic, not a political Conservative.

JimMe

Mr Bombastic... I'm a single man who never has fathered a child, or been married and adopted a child, so, I think a woman should have the right to have an abortion within the first 13 weeks, or the first trimester of pregnancy, if she thinks she doesn't want to deliver another life into this world...

Now, I have concerns when the woman is under the age of 18 because her parents or legal guardians are legally responsible for the pregnant girl, and probably the girl's unborn child, so, I think the girl would need at least one of her parents or legal guardians written permission to have the abortion...

And after 13 weeks, the fetus has a heartbeat and the concern of a human's right to life becomes viable enough to limit abortions from that time forward...

Finally, I see Abortion Laws as a State Issue, and the USA Federal Government should not be Legislating, Regulating, nor Adjudicating Abortion Laws...

JW

Some do, some don't. People like you set a special premium on anything carrying homo sapiens DNA but your regard for life is a myth. I happen to regard all life as equally valuable to the individual creature and each creature as the owner of its own life. The systems of survival as designed by your acknowledged Creator belies that sanctity and is the foundation of the human arrogance I find detestable.

I am never surprised by the lengths people will go to in order to set themselves next to being gods... even above the angels.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

IOW, you can't answer.

Conservatives do believe many things. But....

Conservatives do not believe that innocent human life is not worth protecting, or that any human being is the property of another.

You can call yourself a conservative, a progressive are the Queen of England. It doesn't matter what you call yourself. If you accept abortion for convenience you're not a conservative.

JW

I did answer. Go back and read what I wrote.

I accept abortion because it is the law and because I have no right to interfere with the lawful conduct of another person's life. If you disagree with that, you are a fanatic nut job, not a Conservative.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

So what's the "scientific" definition of a human being?