A history lesson for you statuephobes (Page 3): You know,this country should be lead by people who know instead of the ignorance we have leading.History is our education and should be...

reh1946

You know,this country should be lead by people who know instead of the ignorance we have leading.History is our education and should be learned and respected as so,not by politicians.This country is divided by the greed and the want to be's who listen to the liars who are voted in and bought and paid for to feed themselves for egos.The point is what you said is history and the ill informed is following a dead horse.by listing to wealth.The masses are smarter than our politicians that lead by GREED.Quit following these dead horse's .Your artical was great and the masses need to get off the two party system and go third,we need,we need to fight the 2 that fighting each other for their own good.Keep up the history report,this country needs more of it.Thanks

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

The same could be said about Obama. He tried and somewhat succeeded in dividing this nation. down economic and racial lines. To deny this is willfully blind.

PeterS wrote:

Lee also fought to divide this nation and end the union. How many statues to Treason should we make?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

PeterS wrote:

Lee also fought to divide this nation and end the union. How many statues to Treason should we make?

Although the south supported slavery, the fight was about states rights; a constitutional issue. I have a hard time believing the civil was was fought just to maintain slavery.

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

nwtk2007 wrote:

Although the south supported slavery, the fight was about states rights; a conditional issue. I have a hard time believing the civil was was fought just to maintain slavery.

Lincoln's First Inaugural Address Alluded To A Constitutional Amendment
He Helped Craft
That Would Protect Slavery Rights In Perpetuity

This Was PRIOR To Fort Sumpter
So Without Regard To The Secession Articles Of Some States
This Issue Was Allayed

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

PeterS wrote:

Lee also fought to divide this nation and end the union.

It Wouldn't Have Ended The Union
There Were Still Plenty Of States Staying In The Union
And They Could Still Add More States

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How many statues to Treason should we make?

It Wasn't Treason
Each State Had The Constitutional Right To Secede
It Was In The Articles Of Ratification Of NY And RI(?)
Voted On And Accepted By The Constitutional Convention
All States At The Time, And States Into The Future Have This Same Right
Whether It Was In Their Own Articles Of Ratification Or Not

You've Been Shown This Before ^^
But You (Like All Lefties) Pretend You Haven't

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

karpenter wrote:

Lincoln's First Inaugural Address Alluded To A Constitutional Amendment
He Helped Craft
That Would Protect Slavery Rights In Perpetuity

This Was PRIOR To Fort Sumpter
So Without Regard To The Secession Articles Of Some States
This Issue Was Allayed

Not sure what you mean.

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

karpenter wrote:

Lincoln's First Inaugural Address Alluded To A Constitutional Amendment
He Helped Craft
That Would Protect Slavery Rights In Perpetuity

This Was PRIOR To Fort Sumpter
So Without Regard To The Secession Articles Of Some States
This Issue Was Allayed

nwtk2007 wrote:

Not sure what you mean.

Not Sure How I Could Make It Anymore Clear

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

karpenter wrote:

Not Sure How I Could Make It Anymore Clear

It seems you are saying that Lincoln was supporting slavery even to the point of possibly making it constitutional for ever and the secession of some states was related not to slavery but to something else, I guess.

In most of the states articles of secession, slavery was spoken of as part of the issue; a few states made no mention of it.

I'm still not sure what your point is but to point out the contradiction of the early Lincoln presidency and later when he wrote the executive order freeing slaves in the US.

Of course the point of this thread was that Lee fought for states rights, not for the continuation of slavery.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

PeterS wrote:

Lee also fought to divide this nation and end the union. How many statues to Treason should we make?

It was not treason. You should learn your history, if you are even capable of learning anything, and the theory of our government which was and is that we were and are 13 & 50 independent countries united only for purposes of defense, maintaining internal order and commerce.

Two states included in their acts of ratification the right to secede. Until the so called Civil War, we identified ourselves as New Yorkers and Virginians and Ohioans and Mississippians. Lee was defending his country, Virginia.

Based on your position, people such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, etc. were committing treason. So you and your ilk have even more reason to tear down their statues also.

PRM2014

Raylan Wolfe wrote:

And the right wing stupidity continues, Byrd is dead dumb ass!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/us/politics/29byrd.html

Yeah; and a DEMOCRAT. do you think he ever voted Republican?
No one knows how many voted for Senator Robert Byrd, the K K K klansman.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

nwtk2007 wrote:

Although the south supported slavery, the fight was about states rights; a constitutional issue. I have a hard time believing the civil was was fought just to maintain slavery.

Don't forget that there was a lot of resistance to Mr. Lincoln's War Against Secession (see Draft Riots of 1863.) Lincoln stated in his famous letter to Horace Greeley that his intention was to preserve the Union, freeing no slaves, some slaves or all the slaves, only as necessary to do so. Some freed blacks, especially in and around New Orleans but other cities as well supported and even fought for The Confederacy.

badbobby Loc: texas

mongo wrote:

Well, "Happy Birthday" bb. Don't catch on fire trying to blow out all those candles!

SEMPER FI

thanks Mongo
I will very hard to be safe from them durn candles

Mike Easterday

The creatures destroying the monuments are basically Isis . They follow obey the musrat that lived in the White House. AKA Obama

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

nwtk2007 wrote:

It seems you are saying that Lincoln was supporting slavery even to the point of possibly making it constitutional for ever

So Far, So Good

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In most of the states articles of secession, slavery was spoken of as part of the issue; a few states made no mention of it.

Some Did, And Some Didn't
So It Wasn't All About Slavery Alone
Agreed...

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I'm still not sure what your point is but to point out the contradiction of the early Lincoln presidency and later when he wrote the executive order freeing slaves in the US.

His Political Fortunes Over The War were Dwindling
And You May Want To Read The Text Of The Emancipation Proclamation

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Of course the point of this thread was that Lee fought for states rights, not for the continuation of slavery.

And I'm Pointing Out The Perpetuation Of Slavery Cause
Was Removed By Lincoln Himself Before A Shot Was Fired
So There Were Other, More Important Reasons For Secession In The South
And Economic Reasons For Lincoln To War On The Confederacy Other Than Union Preservation

I Don't See Where Your Quandary Was

Noraa Loc: Kansas

badbobby wrote:

Robert E. Lee was married to George Washington's g... (show quote)

What was the old saying" those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it." I would add " those who try to change it" also fits.