buffalo Loc: Texas

There is more hope for a fool than a man wise in his own eyes. Or something like that.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

The trouble with getting old is coming to the understanding you know nothing.

CounterRevolutionary

Good news, Buffalo. Here is proof that free markets work, greatly reducing cost of medical care for all of us. Look what happens when there are no middlemen between the patient and his doctor:

https://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/sectors/item/25693-cash-only-medical-care-benefits-from-irs-non-enforcement-of-obamacare-mandate?
Cash Only Medical Care Benefits from IRS non-enforcement of Obamacare.

This article is terrific proof that there are wonderful alternatives in the make. Please pass this article from the New American to all your congressmen as an example of success and truly affordable healthcare for everybody.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I am right now looking in to Medishare. I love the concept. Sounds to good to be true.

CounterRevolutionary

Yes, and there are other private solutions most reasonable:

What Happens When Doctors Only Take Cash?
http://time.com/4649914/why-the-doctor-takes-only-cash/

Listen to the Larry Kudlow Show out of New York on the fiasco of Ryancare and the illusive Senate Parliamentarian, Ms. Elizabeth MacDonough who could have saved the entire passage of this bill, or any other ones, for that matter.
http://tunein.com/radio/The-Larry-Kudlow-Show-p67495/

Senator Rand Paul has a great alternative:
https://www.paul.senate.gov/news/press/dr-rand-paul-unveils-obamacare-replacement-act
Dr. Rand Paul’s Obamacare Replacement Act, S. 222:

PeterS

I never did understand why, if the ACA was falling apart, you conservative continually hyperventilated over it. Let it collapse and you don't have to worry about it. And I mean it's not like you had to have insurance or to patronize it at one of the exchanges--just pay the fuking fine--it's a small one and not that big of a deal. And medical care is a right. Reagan made it so when he mandated to hospitals that no one could be denied medical care. He wouldn't have done that if it was a privilege but would have allowed the free market to have it's way.

And you are mistaken, it's not some who consider healthcare a right but the vast majority which is why conservative ran on a platform of repeal and replace. If it was just some, the dicks you elected to represent you would have just run on a platform of repeal and left replace up to those with the cash to do so. So whether it's Obamacare or some form of Republicancare government is now in the healthcare business and if they smarten up we will go single payer and tell insurance companies to go fuk themselves.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Small fine? Pete , you know why we think you're a troll? Because you are. You don't have the ACA. You've never had to deal with the web site or signing up. You've never been told by your doctor he doesn't take your plan anymore. If you think a $2500 fine (my case in 2016) and no insurance is a bargain your nuts. You liberals are awfully compassionate with other peoples money. The reason your party has lost the middle class working vote.. You care nothing about the Americans that actually make this country run. It's all about minorities and illegals.

straightUp Loc: California

I recently read an interesting article that briefly describes the way the "right to healthcare" is often shaped by warfare. In Britain, the National Health system was introduced when a large number of men who reported for duty on the onset of the Boer War were actually deemed unfit to fight. So they created a system where a standard of health could be assured for the entire population. I didn't know that. There were several other very similar examples in the article that seems to indicate a common theme that I have often mentioned myself. A healthier population is a more resilient population.

We are entering a new age of biotech where infection will be one of the most effective weapons of mass destruction. In this age, health care is more than a right... even more than ever, it's a matter of national security. If a virus was dropped in our population of which half the people don't have access to healthcare (which is an accepted parameter among conservatives) there would be no way to prevent it's spread. Conservative Libertarians might be sworn "individualists" but diseases are communicable. So it's time for a new paradigm. Our military doesn't pick and choose which Americans to defend based on commercial values, a healthcare system shouldn't either.

And I get a little weary of the retrospect so prevalent among conservatives who want to define the world according to 18th century understanding. They keep saying the Constitution doesn't guarantee health care... well, in 1789, health care didn't exist yet. They were still treating common ailments with leeches and prayers. By the same token, the Constitution doesn't say the government can't provide healthcare either. The idea that it does is a classic misconception.

Conservatives need to pull their heads out of their asses.

padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al

Couldn't help yourself could you? You made a reasonable comment, I don't necessarily agree with your synopsis, but you stated it reasonably up to your last sentence. Then the virus that attacks the leftist physiology, one that is incurable and destructive, one that closes down your irrational mind only to open your obnoxious mouth took over. It simply who and what you are. I keeeeel You!

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

You really have lost.your foundation since you lost the election haven"t you Pete?

You are wrong on so many levels it's amazing. It's as if the only contact you have with the rest of America is through your liberal news outlets and I'd think by now you would be admitting they're are feeding you nonsense and would be looking into a myriad of sources from all over the spectrum.

No, the majority of the people do not believe health care is a right. There are a lot of people paying their way and those paying do not want to pay for someone else's nor do they want their taxes jacked to that end. Hillary lost. They told you then. If you choose to not listen, that's your problem.

And you need to get together with other progs here and get your collective act straight because a lot of them are going ballistic over letting the aca die. They say things ranging from...letting it die would be cruel....to the right should fix it.....to it's working just fine and there is nothing wrong with it to be fixed.

You leftys need to get your stories straight first. Then when you can agree on one, come on back and we'll explain why you're wrong.

If you knew more about any one pay or system you'd run from it screaming.

Reason gave EMERGENCY care to all legal U. S. citizens, not generalized non-emergency care, and it is unconstitutional to penalize anyone for not purchasing a commercial product. If you give government that power, where does it stop? What could government think up next that you have to buy for the good of all?

You really have gone downhill since you lost the election Pete. You used to be civil and thoughtful. Now you behave like just another foul mouthed sore loser.

Don't you realize that one of the true constants in life is change? Like the weather. Did you actually believe you would get your way forever? Don't you realize that your collective liberal progressive current behavior will keep you out of power politically until you learn to stop behaving like an enemy and begin behaving as if the future of our nation is more important than feeling good about yourself?

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Oh damn Doc. You had to bring up weather. Global Warming cost them the election. Don't you know? They're too lazy to go out and vote in the heat, cold, or whatever.

CounterRevolutionary

Buffalo, consider the Public Option in the UK, where the NHS actually makes surprise raids on private household refrigerators, weeding out pateints deemed too fat or smokers with "risky lifestyles."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/9135184/Moral-judgments-about-treating-smokers-or-obese-patients-have-no-place-in-the-health-service.html

"Moral judgments about treating smokers or obese patients have no place in the health service
A doctor’s job is to treat illness, not decide who is most worthy of treatment."

God help the "Twinkie police" crossing the threshold in my house.

To quote Senator Barry Goldwater: "The government does not belong in the bedroom."