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Mar 19, 2017 10:11:49   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
Fay Guht wrote:
Lets look at the idea of eliminating all money. Having it, working for it, hoarding it or using it asa measure of status.

Lets make EVERYTHING free.
Cars. Housing. Consumer goods. Fuel.
Everything.

No barter. Simply ask for anything and you can have it.

One stipulation: everyone, if able bodied, has to contribute 30 hours a week doing something. This could be the entry to participation.

Think about it. Since no effort attachs to anything, everything becomes a measure of nothing.

Want to drive a Jaguar? Sure. But since their free, where's the status.

Nothing means anything anymore.

In the world of things.

People will start to distinguish themselves through their efforts-building a boat or assembling something or whatever.

But everything will be free.

No crime. NO ELITES. No manipulation.

WHAT DO YOU VIEWERS THINK?
Lets look at the idea of eliminating all money. H... (show quote)


Ain't nothing free ... So the guy who heals others " the Doctor ", is just as worthy as the guy mowing a lawn ????? whats wrong with that picture ????

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Mar 19, 2017 10:19:29   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Tell me bout the rabbit's George.

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Mar 19, 2017 10:30:03   #
Zombiefarmer23 Loc: Bull Hills
 
peter11937 wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malthusianism He made this over 200 years ago, and he was wrong. The same thinking today will prove wrong too.


Humans are like any other mammalian population. More food, more humans. Look at Africa. We breed even when we are starving. At some point the ability to produce food will not keep up with the population. My guess is that the die off will be tremendous because we will have ruined the ability to produce food. Perhaps the remaining people will go Soylent Green? Well anyway, none of us alive today will see what really happens.

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Mar 19, 2017 11:12:42   #
Homestead
 
Fay Guht wrote:
Lets look at the idea of eliminating all money. Having it, working for it, hoarding it or using it asa measure of status.

Lets make EVERYTHING free.
Cars. Housing. Consumer goods. Fuel.
Everything.

No barter. Simply ask for anything and you can have it.

One stipulation: everyone, if able bodied, has to contribute 30 hours a week doing something. This could be the entry to participation.

Think about it. Since no effort attachs to anything, everything becomes a measure of nothing.

Want to drive a Jaguar? Sure. But since their free, where's the status.

Nothing means anything anymore.

In the world of things.

People will start to distinguish themselves through their efforts-building a boat or assembling something or whatever.

But everything will be free.

No crime. NO ELITES. No manipulation.

WHAT DO YOU VIEWERS THINK?
Lets look at the idea of eliminating all money. H... (show quote)


It's been tried.

It's called communism and it has never worked, because it can't work!

Milton Friedman - Myths That Conceal Reality (Lecture)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNtKk2EmI-o

Milton Friedman - Is Capitalism Humane? (Lecture)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHPI1emZFVg

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Perception Is The Putrescence Of Politics And The Plague Of The People
(Article with a lot of detail)
In the following piece I want to lay to rest any notion that the accepted state of the economy has anything to do with any other than perception. My hope is that by the end there will be very few that can continue to believe there is anything left to the idea that the underlying economy is either strong or improving; a perception substantiated by current market valuations rather than a reality substantiating current market valuations.

Capitalism is, in its most honest and basic form (i.e. its true and only form), simply the trade off of something for something else, with the value of trade being determined by supply and demand dynamics on both sides of the transaction. That’s it.

And so then it becomes a very difficult task to understand how that can be the evil force so many around the world attribute to capitalism. It is also a very trying task then to see how the current system has anything to do with capitalism. But as does Krugman with Keynesian economics the definition of things that most don’t understand very well can be easily mutated for public consumption to make a particular stance seem much stronger than truth would merit. And there is that other evil term that goes hand in hand with capitalism, merit.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-02/perception-putrescence-politics-and-plague-people

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Mar 19, 2017 11:24:38   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
Alright, I'm going to ask one more time...do I get to tend the phucken rabbit's or not ? George.

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Mar 19, 2017 11:44:51   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
Zombiefarmer23 wrote:
Humans are like any other mammalian population. More food, more humans. Look at Africa. We breed even when we are starving. At some point the ability to produce food will not keep up with the population. My guess is that the die off will be tremendous because we will have ruined the ability to produce food. Perhaps the remaining people will go Soylent Green? Well anyway, none of us alive today will see what really happens.


Exactalacky,

Yes I spelled it that way.

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Mar 19, 2017 11:53:33   #
Fay Guht
 
dbamerican wrote:
Making anything free really sounds like a fairy tale. As long as we have GREED free won't work.


I'm just wondering that if everything is available to everyone whats the sense in greed?
Plus, the meanings of things goes out of them.
If everyone can have ------ then whats the reason to desire it and gave it in the first place.
So, good. You have (blank). Well, can I.

Read some great books on advertising. See how they convince us that to rebadge a car, give it a few extra folds in the body work, that they convince us its worth $20 gs more.

And even worse, that we can afford to pay interest to get it and the "worstest", that we can through away money on depreciation.

Another variant of this idea might be: we all agree that except for housing, we all agree to buy nothing unless we have cash.

Watch the prices fall to appeal to the new ethic.

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Mar 19, 2017 12:26:45   #
boatbob2
 
And I want the job,of tending the Ladies on Gilligans Island,,,,NO,I dont need any help !

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Mar 19, 2017 12:33:03   #
bahmer
 
archie bunker wrote:
Does this include beer, and BBQ?


Sure but son't expect the same quality of beer and BBQ because there will be no incentive to be great just mediocre to poor.

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Mar 19, 2017 12:36:20   #
cold iron Loc: White House
 
Fay Guht wrote:
Lets look at the idea of eliminating all money. Having it, working for it, hoarding it or using it asa measure of status.

Lets make EVERYTHING free.
Cars. Housing. Consumer goods. Fuel.
Everything.

No barter. Simply ask for anything and you can have it.

One stipulation: everyone, if able bodied, has to contribute 30 hours a week doing something. This could be the entry to participation.

Think about it. Since no effort attachs to anything, everything becomes a measure of nothing.

Want to drive a Jaguar? Sure. But since their free, where's the status.

Nothing means anything anymore.

In the world of things.

People will start to distinguish themselves through their efforts-building a boat or assembling something or whatever.

But everything will be free.

No crime. NO ELITES. No manipulation.

WHAT DO YOU VIEWERS THINK?
Lets look at the idea of eliminating all money. H... (show quote)



Great theory, but who is going to make the all the cars? Who is going to do the research to build the new computer? Once you get everything why work at all? Only place this will work is in Heaven.

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Mar 19, 2017 12:40:51   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
boatbob2 wrote:
And I want the job,of tending the Ladies on Gilligans Island,,,,NO,I dont need any help !


I guess, I'll just have to wait for Mrs Howle to be a widow.

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Mar 19, 2017 12:41:43   #
Homestead
 
Zombiefarmer23 wrote:
Humans are like any other mammalian population. More food, more humans. Look at Africa. We breed even when we are starving. At some point the ability to produce food will not keep up with the population. My guess is that the die off will be tremendous because we will have ruined the ability to produce food. Perhaps the remaining people will go Soylent Green? Well anyway, none of us alive today will see what really happens.


For a long time, the so called experts had decided that over population created poverty.

It took them a while to learn and deal with the truth.

Poverty creates population.

In a mean state of society, one needs a clan to cling to where all hands work together for their mutual benefit.

No bond is stronger than family, so poverty breeds large families.

When incomes go up, people have smaller families.

That's just the way it is.

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Mar 19, 2017 12:45:06   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Fay Guht wrote:
Just think, under my system there would be nothing to work for.

Everything free. Everything.

It then takes on new meaning. I. E., nothing. If everyone can have a Mercedes, who cares?

This would allow you as a woman yo free up your energies, NOT BUYING THEIR JUNK, but rather contributing your talents yo something YOU value.

And we could all experience what you've created.

And the elite pigs, who set us up to better one another by buying junk to outdo each other....their era is gone.

The readon I bring this up us that un the next 3-5 years automated trucks will supplant driven trucks......1 million plus drivers out of a job!

Lets kill the meaning of money and ket them and us explore our real, unmanipulated talents.
Just think, under my system there would be nothing... (show quote)


I like the concept of taking the money driving us out but believe for those whom look to achieve all it would do is switch to whatever is then representative of that status..

The need greater to control than to have possessions..

Human greatness does not lie in wealth or power, but in character and goodness.... yet so many are driven to achieve above the standard.. Even if there never was money, something would still be the sought after commodity..

Those whom are motivated will still be and those whom are not will still live with just their basics met..They are content right there that's all...

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Mar 19, 2017 13:15:59   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Quakerwidow wrote:
Those of us who ARE Christians (as contrasted with claim to be) cannot go along with your proposal.


The lord does not want any whimps in heaven. Best be back to reading YOUR Bible. Wiping out all the criminals and maggots sounds EXACTLY what the lord would want for this world! Perhaps you merely think you believe in your lord when your lord is welfare stamps and seeing the world suffer. Nope, not gonna happen. Back to blowing out some candles for you or what ever else you can do to call yourself useful. BY BYE!

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Mar 19, 2017 17:08:30   #
Quakerwidow Loc: Chestertown, MD
 
Homestead wrote:
For a long time, the so called experts had decided that over population created poverty.

It took them a while to learn and deal with the truth.

Poverty creates population.

In a mean state of society, one needs a clan to cling to where all hands work together for their mutual benefit.

No bond is stronger than family, so poverty breeds large families.

When incomes go up, people have smaller families.

That's just the way it is.


yep

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