HedgeHog

Don't know about that.

I plan to do some reading/research in the history of Yemen today.

HedgeHog

You claim "...ordinarily determined by birth". I doubt it remains compulsory.

HedgeHog

Did you read the link I gave you on Edgar Cayce? I missed the dates: 1932 and 1944.

I'll post the content:

"Out of Russia Will Come Hope

ALISON RAY



earth- oneness 3-2011Edgar Cayce gave 29 readings from 1921 to 1944 that have been grouped together as "World Affairs Readings" since the requestors were seeking to better understand the events happening around them from a global perspective (Series 3976). These readings twice mention that "out of Russia will come the hope of the world." We have recently noticed that some online posters are claiming that this "hope" is tied to a specific person. But rather than referring to an individual, the readings seem to indicate the spirit of the nation. The first statement, given in 1932, specifically mentions Russia's gradual religious development. The second, given in 1944, seems to suggest that it is rather the concern of the Russian people for their fellow man that is the basis for this hope. There is also a suggestion that an equitable partnership between Russia and the United States could become beneficial for both as Russia possesses more raw resources than any other nation and the U.S. has better abilities to develop those resources.



In Reading 3976-10, given on Feb. 8, 1932, the suggestion to the sleeping Cayce included a request for a "plan for establishing peace on earth and good will among men."

(Q) What should be the attitude of so-called capitalist nations toward Russia?


(A) On Russia's religious development will come the greater hope of the world. Then that one, or group, that is the closer in its relationships, may fare the better in the gradual changes and final settlement of conditions as to the rule of the world.



(Q) Should the United States recognize the present government in Russia?


(A) Many conditions should be considered, were this to be answered correctly. You could say yes and no, and both be right, with the present attitude of both peoples as a nation, and both be wrong; for there is to come, there will come, an entire change in the attitude of both nations as powers in the financial and economical world. As for those of raw resources, Russia surpasses all other nations. As for abilities for development of same, those in the United States are the farthest ahead. Then these united, or upon an equitable basis, would become - or could become-powers; but there are many interferences for those already investments, those already under questions, will take years to settle.
The suggestion given by the conductor, Gertrude Cayce, for reading 3976-29 on June 22, 1944, provides a framework for understanding and interpreting the deeper meaning of the comments about individual nations:

World

It has been indicated through this channel that much might be given regarding what the vibrations of nations, as individuals, might mean. You will give such information concerning these vibrations and their relations to the spirit of the various nations, particularly in connection with the seven sins and twelve virtues in the human family, which will be helpful to us as an organization and as individuals in our attempt to be channels of blessing to our fellow men. You will then answer the questions, which may be submitted, as I ask them.

From his trance state, Edgar Cayce responded:

What then of nations? In Russia there comes the hope of the world, not as that sometimes termed of the Communistic, of the Bolshevistic; no. But freedom, freedom! that each man will live for his fellow man! The principle has been born. It will take years for it to be crystallized, but out of Russia comes again the hope of the world. Guided by what? That friendship with the nation that hath even set on its present monetary unit "In God We Trust." (Do ye use that in thine own heart when you pay your just debts? Do ye use that in thy prayer when ye send thy missionaries to other lands? "I give it, for in God we trust"? Not for the other fifty cents either!) (3976-29)
Edgar Cayce did predict World War II, but the readings do not suggest that there will be a third World War. In 1935, he warned a 29-year-old freight agent of catastrophic events that were building within the international community:

…unless there is interference from what may be called by many the supernatural forces and influences, that are active in the affairs of nations and peoples, the whole world-as it were-will be set on fire by the militaristic groups and those that are "for" power and expansion in such associations... (416-7)
The readings rarely predicted specific future events, because they were given in response to specific questions. Additional information was not usually volunteered by the sleeping prophet. The future is still in flux. While Cayce's predictions were based on the current conditions, individuals could assert their will and change what might happen. The readings where Russia is mentioned do not mention an individual, a definite outcome, nor a timeframe. It is important to remember that all of us collectively, with our thoughts and actions, create the future. And as Cayce said, peace begins with self.

If ye would know peace and harmony, bring peace and harmony to the experience of another soul. (262-87)"

One reason America has lost its leadership role in the world, and that the torch has been passed to Russia, is due to the arrogance, bias and fears of Americans like no propaganda please, and the others.

I emailed the writer of the above, asking who people thought was the "individual" she mentioned. She said word has it that some believe it is Vladimir Putin.

HedgeHog

I disagree with Cayce on one point. He refers to the Russian people's "concern for his fellow man": their belief that "...each man will live for his fellow man." What the people of Russia have is a "sense of fairness"; that is what is innate in their character.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I don't think it was compulsory at least I don't remember the article saying that, that is why I said ordinarily by birth..

HedgeHog

Do you have a link, lj?

What do you think of the Edgar Cayce readings?

HedgeHog

Don't believe everything you read, lj. Especially about the Russian economy. Ooooops, don't want to give too much away!!

HedgeHog

Saddam and his government were a point of instability in the Middle East. That it has become more unstable is due to Ovomit pulling out troops 5 or 6 years ago, even after I told him he would end one war, but set the stage for a greater conflict.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I have what you gave me and found association to the "spirit of the nation" as the one to which they refer... But I really have not read it all.. hit n miss with being in and out while doing reports and this dang phone ringing non stop!!!!

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

I understand....shhhhhhhhhhh

HedgeHog

Almost 40 years ago, now, I read a biography of Edgar Cayce "There is a River". But it didn't mention the Russia readings. I just found out about that 8 or 9 months ago.

Interesting Cayce mentioned "supernatural forces". There is only one supernatural "force" that I know of.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Ok I'm reading his autobiography now or one of them anyway~~

I found this interesting:"What is the meaning of life?" he asked. "What is the real nature of man? What is the meaning of birth and death? Why are we here? Cayce accepted Mr. Lammers offer to explain these mysteries through his powers of hypnosis. What followed was the beginning of the metaphysical thought that emerged from 2,500 "Life" readings (information about a person's past lives), as distinguished from the "Physical" readings (medical diagnosis and cures) he had previously been giving.

For Cayce, this was the beginning of another period of tortuous self-doubt. Brought up in an atmosphere of strict, orthodox, Protestant Christianity, he was uninformed on the other great religions of the world and their similarities with his own. What the readings now said seemed foreign to everything he had been taught and had been teaching in his Sunday school classes for many years. The essential principles of the great religions, said the readings, were nevertheless all the same - they were only clothed in different garments...

So because of this and his further journey those things of a super natural nature make perfect sense to me.. it appears he ultimately was a spiritualist???

Eventually, somebody thought to ask the sleeping Cayce where he was getting his information. He gave two sources his mind apparently succeeded in tapping. One was the unconscious or subconscious mind of the subject himself; the other was what was called the universal memory of nature, Jung's Collective Unconscious, or the Akashic Records. This is the "Recording Angel", or the "Book of Life"....Gasonating reply. Hedge... have you read anything on the Akashi Records, Book of Life??Eventually, somebody thought to ask the sleeping Cayce where he was getting his information. He gave two sources his mind apparently succeeded in tapping. One was the unconscious or subconscious mind of the subject himself; the other was what was called the universal memory of nature, Jung's Collective Unconscious, or the Akashic Records. This is the "Recording Angel", or the "Book of Life".

HedgeHog

What is the name of the biography you are reading? "There is a River" didn't mention past lives, from what I remember, but it did mention that delving into Ouija boards could be dangerous. I personally do not believe in past lives, or reincarnation.

I did think, and still think, that it was Jung's "collective subconscious" that, MAYBE, Cayce was able to reach. On a deep subconscious level, certainly not in conscious awareness, people know what is going on in their body.

But as to supernatural forces, there is only one: God, or the Greater (maybe Deeper) reality. Something beyond this space-time-material reality we are "born" into. Psychic phenomena is 99.99% bunk; anyone can put out a shingle saying they have psychic insights, but it cannot be proven. Dr. Rhine, at Duke University, never proved the existence of ESP, and he did try.

His wife, Mrs. Rhine, wrote a book on the phenomenological occurrences of "supernatural" happenings I thought more credible. Clocks stopping at time of death, things like that. Remember that earthquake somewhere in Scotland or Ireland 2 or 3 decades ago? Many precognitive dreams about that were reported.

Some things Cayce predicted have not happened, the earthquake in California, for instance, I think he said would happen in 1976. But I believe he is spot on about Russia.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

Admittedly I have mixed emotions about Bushs decisions..

My point is we simply do not belong there. We need to pull out and let them do whatever they are going to do!! They mess with us, don't screw around with all this diplomacy BS hit em hard and still stay out.. They touch our borders they pay the consequences.. Take a quick proactive approach and they will learn real quick we don't play games anymore!! They made their decision in trying to attack us.

HedgeHog

Anyway it is in the very capable hands of Vladimir Putin---> and myself. The US MUST stay out, this time. Unless invited to participate.