eden

Setting aside the gun issue for a moment (and I would pause here to make clear I am not a supporter in principle of Hillary Clinton,) what you stated above would be fundamentally uncharacteristic of what I know about her. In the interests of accurate reporting can you provide a reliable non partisan link to any evidence that she said such a thing?

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

Of course not.....

Morgan

They weren't nuts at all, quite an ingenious manipulation, with every fearful accusation of Obama taking away guns... guns and ammunition went through the roof, why should they stop it's working very well.

eden

This is the eye of a political and social storm. Gun violence is now emblematic of the American experience and everybody I speak with in other countries (I travel extensively) expresses horror at the thought of living here for this reason.
Both sides of this great divide have a propensity for fear based reactivity but some facts to consider:

Gun Crimes including mass shootings are not carried out by responsible gun owners, including some who own and like to shoot so called "assault weapons". There is a lot of misinformation out there about AR15's for example just as there is confusion about the terms "automatic" and "semiautomatic". Ruger and Browning make semiautomatic deer rifles that with the addition of a larger capacity clip could do the same damage as a more menacing looking semiautomatic "assault rifle" which the media loves to wave under everybody's nose after every mass shooting.
Make no mistake, just as much damage can be done in a close quarter shooting rampage with a semiautomatic pistol (or two) with high capacity magazines or an automatic shotgun firing double aught bucks. (Imagine spraying a room with eight .330 slugs with every single shot.)
Gun owners are correct when they point out statistics like auto accidents and the 500,000 Americans a year who die of Tobacco Induced Suicide as a mitigating argument against unnecessarily restrictive gun laws. Carnage is carnage no matter the cause.

On the other side this President to his credit has not voiced any moves to institute the kind of mass gun confiscation predicted by the wide eyed hysterics in right wing media. If his administration is planning to do this there is only a narrow window of about 6 months to pull off what would be a logistical impossibility at best. There simply are not enough law enforcement officers to track down and confiscate every gun (some 300 hundred million) in America.
Even people who want tighter restrictions on gun ownership concede that a total ban would be unworkable and not in anybody's interest to pursue.
Understandable that politicians like the President feel obliged to respond to a mass shooting with calls for something to be done about gun violence but moves to ban assault rifles is problematic and will not prevent mass shootings since it would not speak to the large numbers of those weapons already in mass circulation, many of them not registered.)
(New Zealand, a country of hunters has a system where you can own practically any kind of firearm including handguns once you pass a background check, provide a referee's affidavit, and pass a firearm safety course. Guns have to be kept in a special certified gun safe. This country has a low incidence of gun violence, accidental shootings and gun suicides.)

A pragmatic view is that guns are a part of America's history and culture and are not going to go away. Therefore a way needs to found to keep weapons of any kind out of the hands of unstable people. It is in the interests of responsible gun owners and their opposite numbers to contribute to this dialogue in a meaningful way. The NRA needs to shuck it's acquisition of a partisan political voice and come to the table also. It should not be forgotten that they once supported sensible gun regulation...a fact lost in the superheated debate in these times.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Don D is a modest man..

Don G. Dinsdale Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)

Here Are a Few, Have a Ball:


Hillary: Australia Gun Ban Worth Looking At

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/16/hillary-clinton-australia-gun-ban-worth-looking-u-s/

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It Is Past Time We Act On Gun Violence

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/gun-violence-prevention/

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Clinton: Reinstate Assault Weapons Ban
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/13/hillary-clinton-reinstate-assault-weapons-ban/

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Hillary Clinton Affirms Gun-Control Stance
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/22/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign.html

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Hillary Goes On The Attack Over Gun Control

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-goes-on-the-attack-over-gun-control/

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The Rise, Fall, And Rise Again of Hillary's Passion For Gun Control

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/14/11922924/hillary-clinton-gun-control



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eden

"We are going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton (Previously said by Mao Tse Tung, Hugo Chavez, Adolph Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Fidel Castro and other Progressives)

I have looked at what you posted and can find no evidence that Hillary Clinton said anything like what you posted in quotation marks. I get it that you don't like her, I am not a fan either, but this is not a truthful statement. On another note the despots you lump her in with were all characterized by paranoid fear of those around them, hardly a "progressive" way of thinking. More like "regressive" frankly but I understand the Rights desperation to hack her down by any means possible particularly since they are now staring at an obvious defeat in the next election.

Little Ball of Hate

Someone is paying you to spew this crap. No one could possibly be that stupid.

eden

I take it that you do not agree. But since you provide no details I will mark your post as just a drive by insult.
For the record I recently challenged a similar comment made about George Bush who I was also not a fan of but I will not be party to hatemongering propaganda from either side.

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Your SOAP BOX REEKS of hypocrisy! Of course that seems to be a popular trait for all you COMMIES!

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

If anyone had a picture from a POLAROID camera (which would make the Photoshop issue be non existing so no one could doctor it) and the picture showed either Obama OR Hillary murdering newborn babies, YOU would still support and or defend either one of them. You are as pathetic as the majority of your fellow COMMIES! Your agenda of what YOU call, "progressive" reminds me of someone wanting to "progress" innocent people to march right off a cliff! There is not one thing good about your agenda NOR Obama's NOR Hillary's! The only GOOD that could be reported about either of those two insane commies would be reading the morning paper and seeing on the front page, "Top Democrats killed in Plane Crash"....you can connect the dots from that point on, you shifty lil Commie!

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

Oh no...Eden and Alicia, Democrap in 2016, Kevyn, Three Jack(ed) and a handful of others from the Lefty Commie side are really THAT stupid!

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

CDM Loc: Florida

With this statement you offer no support for what can easily be termed simple regurgitation of Democrat party propaganda. If you are writing this because you feel you understand the 'curative' elements of the proposals, and to inspire discussion of same, then by logical association you are informed enough to address pertinent, core questions to further such debate. I have only one at the moment;

With full consideration given to the approximately 300 federal and state gun control laws on the books today and with the same consideration of what federal agencies know and publish about how weapons have been obtained by perpetrators, what specific NEW legislation, what specific NEW LAW is being proposed by Democrats that you obviously, clearly (given your seeming passion) understand would limit or prevent those determined to act out criminal intent ... from obtaining the required arms?