Meister

Over 33,000 dead on average every year. And it is steadily growing. It is not unlike the stupidity of the anti-vaxers: "We can fix this problem--but let's not and make it spread. Give us a chance to go back to the Dark Ages." No-regulation-thinking for guns should be equivalent to murder. The devastating idiocy and malfeasance to hold such an idea is impossible to grasp. Surely it is not human and definitely inhumane. Unconscionable. Yet far too many right wingers hold fast to that insufferable belief. They will argue more people die in car crashes, and pose this question: do you want to ban cars? Totally bizarre straw-man argument. False dichotomy and false premise. "But we’re a huge outlier, however, when it comes to lethal violence; our homicide rate is nearly 7 times higher than the average high-income nation and our rate of homicide by firearm is nearly 20 times higher." http://www.attn.com/stories/262/why-americas-rate-gun-homicides-nearly-20x-higher-other-nations

Not to have universal gun control in this nation is aiding and abetting in murder, pure and simple.

The NRA said that Obama in his first year, in his second year, in his third year, in his fourth year would confiscate all guns. During that time, Obama signed three bills loosening gun control. When Obama was re-elected, the NRA said this was a ploy. He would confiscate all guns in his fifth year, sixth year, seventh year, and now. A president cannot override any of the Bill of Rights. So the NRA was nuts from the start. 81% of NRA members agree with the need for gun control. Let's do something to stem the violence.

Little Ball of Hate

Take a look at how many guns Switzerland has, then look at their crime rates. Then STFU, you ignorant bastard. Guns aren't problem. A gun cannot kill without someone to pull the trigger. Ask yourself why Switzerland doesn't have a major problem with shootings. If we dealt with our criminals the way they deserved, we wouldn't have a problem either. But you're just too stupid to see it. Sucks to be you.

P.S. The majority of those gun deaths you mentioned are suicides. And suicide rates increased 24 percent in the last 15 years. Bah! Why am I wasting my breath on you? I have better things to do.

Steve700

The only way you're going to do anything serious to stop or slow down the murder rate is to go into all the lowlife black and minority neighborhoods and all felons homes and search them all and take away the guns. Trying to do something through the dispensing of guns through the gun shops will only limit the guns in the hands of people that might use them to stop crimes. Most murders by gun are done by lowlifes that have guns that are not registered and didn't come out of a gun shop. If I wanted to get a gun today all I would have to do is going to the black gang infested neighborhoods of Los Angeles or any ot People her big city with some cash and start asking around where I could get a gun. Trust me I could get one or more in one day.

People need their guns more than ever today because our government as been taken over by an internal coup. Those people who have taken over our globalists who will are deliberately bringing us down and getting us used to totalitarian methods in order to acclimate us into the New World order. But first we must give up our guns and our free speech before we are made to give up our sovereignty to the authority of the New World order. You stupid liberals think it's going to be your leftists utopia but I'm telling you it's going to be a satanicly inspired total control tyranny modeled after communism.

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

I think we have a troll👹

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

Yeah and blah,blah,blah You are late troll, we already covered Oscummers talking points weeks ago,now go back to the DNC and get some fresh material.

Little Ball of Hate

And a stupid one, at that.

Hemiman Loc: Communist California

Agreed.

Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA

We only have to remember that most progressive Gun Control only controls guns of law abiding citizens...

Comprehensive gun Control like enacting a bipartisan law that bans all persons on the "Do Not Fly" list or if the are affiliated with a terror group or radical mosque from buying weapons or ammo..... accurate background checks and Mental evaluations, along with criminal records checked to see who is buying these weapons. Keep the dangerous lawbreakers from buying weapons... Omar Marteen should have never been able to buy a weapon with his ties to radical Islam.

"False is the idea of utility...that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, except destruction (of liberty). The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...such laws serve rather to encourage than to prevent homocides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." Thomas Jefferson 'Commonplace Book' 1775

eden

[quote=Meister]Over 33,000 dead on average every year. And it is steadily growing. It is not unlike the stupidity of the anti-vaxers: "We can fix this problem--but let's not and make it spread. Give us a chance to go back to the Dark Ages." No-regulation-thinking for guns should be equivalent to murder. The devastating idiocy and malfeasance to hold such an idea is impossible to grasp. Surely it is not human and definitely inhumane. Unconscionable. Yet far too many right wingers hold fast to that insufferable belief. They will argue more people die in car crashes, and pose this question: do you want to ban cars? Totally bizarre straw-man argument. False dichotomy and false premise. "But we’re a huge outlier, however, when it comes to lethal violence; our homicide rate is nearly 7 times higher than the average high-income nation and our rate of homicide by firearm is nearly 20 times higher." http://www.attn.com/stories/262/why-americas-rate-gun-homicides-nearly-20x-higher-other-nations

Not to have universal gun control in this nation is aiding and abetting in murder, pure and simple.





You nicely frame the symtoms but your remedy is unworkable and ignores the history, traditions and emotional complexity of gun ownership in America. What do you mean by "universal" gun control? To most gun owners that sounds like mass confiscation and that, if you are realistic, is basically impossible in these here United States.

Unfortunate that people who fear and despise guns do not understand that most gun owners love their guns, love the feel of a wood stock and the smell of gun oil. It's like riding motorcycles. Some find that incomprehensible, scary and dangerous but others relish the sense of freedom and the feel of the wind in their hair. It is worthwhile to note that no responsible gun owner has ever carried out a mass shooting. These heinous acts are always committed by disturbed individuals who somehow get access to high powered firearms and therein lies the core of the problem.
Gun owners and even the NRA can be part of a larger solution and the common ground is denial of access via background checks and peer review. Banning specific gun types might seem an intuitive solution but deranged individuals bent on mayhem will use any means to carry out their twisted plan. Timothy McVeigh killed 340 innocent Americans with a single bomb.

What we need is better background checks, better intelligence and cooperation between interest groups, the FBI and local Law Enforcement.

Little Ball of Hate

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You are so freakin stupid. Have you ever noticed that people do not shoot each other at gun shows? All those guns, and nobody gets shot. How can this be? All those EVIL guns. Why aren't people dying in droves?

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Because totalitarianism works so well everywhere else...

reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.

More laws ??????? JUST putting mare laws on the books is asinine , just as with immigration,, ENFORCE existing law !!!!! Creating more laws may make you feeeeeel better , but does nothing when existing laws are not enforced !!! Just what the hell does UNIVERSAL GUN CONTROL mean ??? care to explain ?

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Some people just don't grasp the notion that terrorists don't have a particularly strong respect for laws.

Little Ball of Hate

What he really means is that no one should be allowed to own a firearm. Except for the military and the police. They'll protect us. We don't need no stinking guns.

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

The definition of "Police State", or as Progressives call it, "Utopia".