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Jun 15, 2016 11:32:37   #
Artemis
 
jdobbinsPHD wrote:
The issue is not guns. More people are killed by cars than guns, but we don't ban cars. We don't ban cars because we understand that it is not the car, but the improper use of the car by people that kills people. The same is true about guns. It is the improper use of guns that causes the killing. Look at the cities that have very strict gun laws, cities like Chicago, Washington DC, New York, and others like them. They are all run by Democrats, all have very strict gun laws, most do not allow concealed carry, and they have the highest gun violence and the most gun murders in the country. This is because the good and law abiding citizens cannot have guns to protect themselves and the gangsters have no respect for the law and therefore carry whatever guns they want, and use them offensively against the police, against innocent citizens who are unable to protect themselves, and against each other in gang wars and drug wars. The problem with gun deaths is people, not guns. There are two basic groups that are responsible and we need ways to address these two. One are the criminals and gang members, including radicalized Islamists like the Ft. Hood killer and the Orlando killer, who use guns to intimidate and kill innocent citizens, and the others are the mental cases, like the shooters at Sandy Hook and Virginia Tech. In each case they are anti-American, anti-social, cowards and predators. They include the gang members from Mexico who burn the American flag while waving the Mexican flag at political rallies in American cities. Good and law abiding American citizens are not the problem, regardless who how many or what type of gun they own because they are law abiding and understand the difference between protection and unwarranted assault.

Gun ownership is a constitutional right, and that right was given to us by our founding fathers so we can protect ourselves, from enemies and from a government gone amuck. It is not a limited right or a restricted right. It is a right we have because we are American citizens. It is a defensive right, not an offensive right, and was not given to us so we can go around killing people. In states and cities where people can own guns and carry guns (bear arms), especially where concealed carry is permitted, none of which are run by Democrats, the gun related deaths are significantly lower simply because the gangsters, cowards that they are, know that someone they might want to target might also be carrying, and if they are then it also means they have had professional training in how to use a gun.

Therefore, it is not guns, whatever the type or how many, that is the problem. It is people with criminal intent or those with a deranged mind. As we already know, it is not stricter guns laws that will solve gun violence. It is laws that help us address the kinds of people who should not have guns; criminals and the mentally defective, and we need to find a way to use what we know about people to stop the violence. We knew a lot about the mental state of the Virginia Tech killer, but the medical privacy laws prevented the doctors from communicating this. We now know many people, including the FBI and his co-workers and neighbors, knew there was something going on with the Orlando killer but they did not have a correlation scheme and process in place to correlate the disparate pieces of information on this guy to be able to tell when something was going down. We need better information sharing and processing systems to prevent things like this. No gun laws will accomplish that.
The issue is not guns. More people are killed by ... (show quote)



That is a poor analogy, especially if one were to go by how many people are driving per minute multiplied by how many minutes in a given 24 hours and again multiplied by 365. That being said I agree it does have to do with the mental stability of the person. Unfortunately many of these shootings are before any recognition of mental instability, now add to that they find guns in their own home they can use, never having to make a purchase, not to mention illegal purchases. So where does that leave us?

Our most significant problem is no one is working together to work this out, we're too busy pointing our fingers to the other party, which is ridiculous, considering it takes two to tango. We should be calling on our representative's and give them a good scolding and threaten to take away our vote for them.

One other issue with the second amendment, it has been completely over abused and taken advantage of. It was created when men were armed with muskets, there has to be limitations in this day and age.

With this shooting our homeland security's, our sentry's were sleeping on the job.

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Jun 15, 2016 11:35:12   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
S. Maturin wrote:
Perfect 'ideology', I'd say.

Jeh Johnson weighed in yesterday saying Homeland's #2 job is disarming the American citizens. His idea of 'job #1' is "making muslims comfortable and welcome" in America.

It's difficult to understand why Barack Hussein Obama would ever appoint such a moron...isn't it?



Given Obama's visceral hatred of the US and his innate duplicity, it's not the least bit difficult for me to understand.

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Jun 15, 2016 11:43:16   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
For all intensive purposes an AR15 can be made to be fully automatic, Colt among others make a kit that accomplishes this but once you do that it is no longer an AR15. Some of the mods are legal as of right now but many are not. Even the military is going away from auto because they aren't really very accurate. Give me one shot for each pull, that liberals is semiautomatic.



Onelostdog wrote:
If you can turn an AR15 into a full auto your doing it with an illegal lower assembly otherwise an AR15 cannot be converted to full auto as the lower assembly is made in a way that prohibits this modification by federal law. You must use an M16 lower for this purpose. You can find, well maybe you can find a fast trigger or fire burst trigger accessory that will give a burst fire system, three rounds fire almost as fast as an a M16 but I believe these have been outlawed by the feds years ago.

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Jun 15, 2016 11:51:29   #
J Anthony Loc: Connecticut
 
There is no solution, that is until you can get to the root of what makes certain people snap and go off on killing-sprees, and solve that problem. But no one can pin-point it.

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Jun 15, 2016 12:14:02   #
S. Maturin
 
Kevyn wrote:
There is a clear legal definition of an assault weapon in the now sunset Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 in no way shape or form is "fully automatic" necessary for a weapon to be defined as an assault weapon. A combination of several features such as detachable high capacity ammunition magazines, belt fed ammunition, a pistol grip, collapsible stock, lugs for or permanent attachment of bayonets or grenade launchers and flash suppressors in various configurations constitute the legal definition of an assault weapon weather semi or fully automatic. This definition is also consistent in many state laws defining assault weapons.
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I really liked the "..many state laws.." business. Let's examine who it is that makes those laws. If unclear about that, you will find democrat party uni-brains as authors and 'experts'.
In NYS, we have a creature emulating Obama.. a democrat creature called Cuomo. He crafted something onerous called the <ahem> Safe Act'.. and it pretty much echoes what you said. Cuomo is a uni-brained democrat with no respect for the Constitutional rights of anyone as he claws his way towards the White House--- he thinks.

"The law is an ass", the (democrat)law-makers are idiots.

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Jun 15, 2016 12:15:59   #
Onelostdog Loc: Restless Oregon
 
Kevyn wrote:
There is a clear legal definition of an assault weapon in the now sunset Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 in no way shape or form is "fully automatic" necessary for a weapon to be defined as an assault weapon. A combination of several features such as detachable high capacity ammunition magazines, belt fed ammunition, a pistol grip, collapsible stock, lugs for or permanent attachment of bayonets or grenade launchers and flash suppressors in various configurations constitute the legal definition of an assault weapon weather semi or fully automatic. This definition is also consistent in many state laws defining assault weapons.
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That was a California definition when they attempted to outlaw the AR15 style rifles that was brought down as illegal by the Supreme Court and nullified years ago. What other states have the same definition as that? The military spec opps definition of an assault weapon was ANY weapon, even a spoon that is used to attack or kill another person. Technically there is no such thing as an assault rifle to my knowledge as that would mean the rifle could act on it's own behalf without human interaction to assault an individual, a distinctly impossible action.

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Jun 15, 2016 12:20:40   #
Airforceone
 
fullspinzoo wrote:
But nest the turd has all the answers. Always blaming people for unsubstantiated facts, but can't get it straight himself. first one out of the box. Hey, Turd quit preaching to people how accurate your fking bullshit is!!!!!


Hey idiot stop reading your conspiracy theories. Then maybe a little bit of common sense may kick in. Every GD conspiracy theory that you post are all different you read and it falls along your hate and racist views and that's what you believe. There is no way to get to the truth because you fuel off this BS it falls along your ideology of hate and racism and you totally ignore the things that made this country great I can only point at two things that fall along your BS of hate and first is Hitler with the Jews and now Trump with the Muslims . Trump is now becoming the mordern day Joe McCarthy who accused everybody that disagreed with him as a communist. But when you spread hate and racism through your GD hack sites nuts like you come out of your hole and join the hate party.
Your perception is not reality, you are entitled to your opinion but you damn sure are not entitled to your own facts.
Now this nasty period in time will pass and History will show that fu$kng but balls like you need to be put back in that shit hole you came out of.

This next election will prove that the Republican Party made a big mistake by allowing idiots like you and Trump to control the GOP.

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Jun 15, 2016 12:21:09   #
Gatsby
 
Sorry Kevyn, but you're barking up the wrong tree there:

What you so clearly ignore is the fact that U.S. courts have declared that criminals cannot be required to comply with any of

these suggested "cures", they would only apply to law abiding citizens, who ARE NOT the problem.

When you suggest that you want to restrain the rights of the law abiding citizens to protect and defend themselves and their families,

by doing so, you aid and abet the very criminals and crazies who ARE the problem.


Kevyn wrote:
What you say about cars is true, they pose a great danger and yet are incredibly useful. In order to balance this we regulate their use. Where you can drive is limited to roads. Drivers are licensed and routinely tested for proficiency. People with medical issues that make them hazardous drivers are precluded from driving. The size and type of vehicles allowed on public roads are regulated and as new safety devices such as seat belts, air bags and anti lock brakes become available they are required on new cars. For very few in this country is a firearm any way near as important or useful as a car, we however have a constitutional right to bear arms as part of a well regulated milita. All most proponents of gun legislation propose is that that regulation be similar than that for driving and possessing automobiles.
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Jun 15, 2016 12:26:53   #
Onelostdog Loc: Restless Oregon
 
bmac32 wrote:
For all intensive purposes an AR15 can be made to be fully automatic, Colt among others make a kit that accomplishes this but once you do that it is no longer an AR15. Some of the mods are legal as of right now but many are not. Even the military is going away from auto because they aren't really very accurate. Give me one shot for each pull, that liberals is semiautomatic.


Colt making a kit to convert an AR15 to full auto is interesting as I have never seen nor heard of such a kit. Like I said the AR15 or civilian style M16 by federal law can not be manufactured in a way that will allow it's conversion to full auto use. Even the M16 has a somewhat semi auto capability but also a burst fire and some full auto capability but all of these modes is illegal in an AR15 branded weapon even if you have a full auto registration. I have never had a use since leaving the service for a spay and pray fire weapon, just a waste of ammo and accuracy sucks for the most part. Even liberals know what a semiautomatic and full automatic weapon is they just refuse to state there is any difference between the two, doesn't fit their narrative.

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Jun 15, 2016 13:53:59   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
An Assault weapon can be either a hand gun or rifle that has a clip that holds more than 5 rounds and can quickly be ejected and replaced.

The term Assault weapons is to include after all semi-automatic weapons.

The term that they should be using is Assault Rifles, which they are not using out of ignorance but by their twisted design at complete gun control.

This has already been discussed earlier in this thread.

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Jun 15, 2016 14:37:40   #
Artemis
 
Ferrous wrote:
An Assault weapon can be either a hand gun or rifle that has a clip that holds more than 5 rounds and can quickly be ejected and replaced.

The term Assault weapons is to include after all semi-automatic weapons.

The term that they should be using is Assault Rifles, which they are not using out of ignorance but by their twisted design at complete gun control.

This has already been discussed earlier in this thread.





It's defined rather simply

A weapon designed for use in warfare, especially when used in noncombat situations such as terrorism. What is the point here on how it is termed?

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Jun 15, 2016 14:49:19   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
An Assault weapon is defined as: The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions, but usually includes semi-automatic firearms with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, and sometimes other features such as a flash suppressor or barrel shroud<

All semi-automatic hand guns and rifles are assault weapons.

Whether they were designed for Military, Law Enforcement, or Civilian use.

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Jun 15, 2016 14:52:53   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Onelostdog wrote:
That was a California definition when they attempted to outlaw the AR15 style rifles that was brought down as illegal by the Supreme Court and nullified years ago. What other states have the same definition as that? The military spec opps definition of an assault weapon was ANY weapon, even a spoon that is used to attack or kill another person. Technically there is no such thing as an assault rifle to my knowledge as that would mean the rifle could act on it's own behalf without human interaction to assault an individual, a distinctly impossible action.
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There is a military definition; a firearm capable of being fired from the shoulder, firing an intermediate powered cartridge, and being capable of automatic fire. It may or may not have a semi-auto capability. An AR15 is techically an "assault weapon" but it is NOT an "assault rifle."

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Jun 15, 2016 14:55:54   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Artemis wrote:
It's defined rather simply

A weapon designed for use in warfare, especially when used in noncombat situations such as terrorism. What is the point here on how it is termed?


When someone is shooting at you, it is combat. Trust me on this one. After all, both Korea and Vietnam were wars, although neither was ever declared. A weapon designed for use in warfare? A bow and arrow?

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Jun 15, 2016 15:04:18   #
Ferrous Loc: Pacific North Coast, CA
 
Hell, the Romans had slung rocks at their Enemies...

["slings were used mainly by specialised units of auxiliary troops who had been recruited to fight alongside the Roman legions,"]

Assault weapons... Yes.

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