timmh67 Loc: USA...West Coast

Of all our international creditors who have been given US Treasury notes in exchange for buying our federal debt, China is the largest shareholder in America. By 2011 they had already purchased 850 billion dollars in US debt with our Treasury Notes. Japan and Mexico are next in the size of the US deficit that they have bought in exchange for our Treasury Notes. We are already paying interest on that debt with the yield currently earned on US Treasury Notes which isn’t much because they have just about Junk Bond status. Now China could begin a trend for collecting on their debt that will allow America’s lands to be sold to the Chinese government to satisfy their demands for buying our debt. Thanks to Federal Reserve quantitative easing, our Treasury Notes are constantly being repurchased before those Treasury Notes reach maturity, but still those actions continue to devalue the US dollar.
There has been rumors surfing around that the State of Idaho and obama administration are possibily working of a deal for land to China. I'm not going to step up and say this is true without more information on this trans action.

The malevolent influence of the Federal Reserve

The Federal Reserve is not a branch of the US government as we have been led to believe. It is an agency that prints money, controls monetary policy, and as well as money supply. By simply printing money, the Federal Reserve creates credit and indebtedness within its own computers and than begins to control the currency and national debt of all nations that partner with this malignant world banking organization. Third world governments who need cash to develop their fledgling countries accumulate so much debt that they are unable to create the revenue it takes to pay back their expenses that they default on their debts to the Federal Reserve, who has encouraged them to borrow by the billions at low or no interest. This thanks to the same mechanism that is eroding US financial stability-deficit spending.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

The most idiot post I've seen on this forum. Since you did the EMP site, now I would conclude that too is probably idiot-speak. China owns only about 12% of the national debt. Japan nearly 10%. Had no idea Mexico was 3rd. All 3 have become increasingly Americanized in culture as the years go by. China is an economic rival and also a main seller and buyer. I remember when "made in Japan" was everywhere in the stores...now it's "made in China." Rival and business partner of sorts, China is not an enemy and will become as much like us as fast as they can as circumstances within China work out. China left the international communist system in the 1970s and is still working way from agricultural poverty situation toward full fledged capitalism & from there hopefully to representative govt.

timmh67 Loc: USA...West Coast

Spoken like a true Lib... Your a foolish person. Stick to the topic at hand. Like most progressive Libs you attacking the person and not the subject since you have nothing else to fall back on. Nice !

rhomin57 Loc: Far Northern CA.

You have a good direction and focus. Ya know, I wonder how old that commenter is. When I was young, made in japan meant "cheaply made" in which it was. Toys and other products were flimsy and fell apart or broke down easily. Only in this world of technology has Japan upgraded it's products and value. Especially to our newer generations."Made in China" has been around for just as long, but due to the old, yet, expensive China sets of dishes did they have more value. I wander if people are aware that China dishes grew in Value during and after WWII. Many an American Soldier confiscated China dish sets due to their beautiful patterns and designs, as well as the delicacy of the dish ware, and smuggled them back to their Mother's, Wife's, and Fiance'. That actually began the American desire to have a set of China Dishes. A little off the path of your post as well, and I'm sorry, but felt history is important too.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Right back at you. Spoken like a true rightwingnut, attacking the person and not noticing I did indeed deal with the subject at hand in regard to China's relationship to us.

I suppose you think I should address your bringing up the subject of Obama plotting to trade U.S. land to China for the part of the debt it holds. That was the idiot part--I didn't think I needed to elaborate on how ridiculous that conspiracy whisper story is. It's posts like this China-Obama-land conspiracy paranoia that give a bad name to the extremes of right wing thinking.

comcash1 Loc: the UK

The federal debt to China currently stands at
$275 Trillion dollars thru U.S.treasury notes
and hand written IOUs.



China has begun to recover some its loaned
funds to the U.S. federal gov't thru its global
currency war with the U.S. Treasuiry..wich
is now in process.


The president of China has already signed
a written agreement with the Obama that
when the U.S.currency totlally collaspes on
the global currency markets...that the
chinese military on behalf of the chinese gov't..
will be allowed to come into the states and take
ownership of whatever land, buildings or cities
they desire to own and immedaitely enslave
the owners and population that land,
buildings, or citiess.



This is yet anolther 'gift' from the Obama to
the american citizens...



regards.
Mr Scott
The MoneyWorkz [tm]
usa
comcash1@gmail.com

timmh67 Loc: USA...West Coast

Your totally nuts, You think the USA and China are friends ?... My God man, China is in this for one reason, its about world dominance and controling the money system by bankrupting America, period. You are really in a shallow box if you think we are a leading along side China... Remember what obama said...The USA will lead from behind and thats exactly what we are doing. Any president who goes to the middles and bows down to them is not an American. Thats our now muslim brotherhood president. Johnatfield, is this what you want and stand for? obama lieing and trashing the American citizens on a daily basis. If your an American I am dissappointed there are people like you who will believe anything the government tells you. Gay marriages, abortions, higher taxes, gross entitlements, 50 million americans on food stamps verses 20 million before obama took office, Really? These are facts look them up. I will stop here but I think you might and thats a small might get the point.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

No kidding? 275 Trillion? A signed agreement? You are kidding but these rightwingnuts will believe it's true. After all, whathisname has heard this story whispered around in Idaho. Ho, ho, ho. Just read the original subject post for this site.

TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

Comcash1 is incorrect. 1.2 trillion in US Treasury's
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/tic/Documents/mfh.txt

The selling of land in Idaho has nothing to do with the debt. Idaho is one of China's biggest trading partners.

China is currently pushing their Renmenbi currency to be the next Global Reserve Currency.
When that happens they will ditch the US Dollar, sell their US Treasury bonds on the open market, and collapse the US Dollar. Right now they are using those US Dollars to buy the commodities they need so they do not left holding a big bag. They will be able to wipe out the US and Japanese economies without firing a shot.

jonhatfield Loc: Green Bay, WI

Really? You need to check your shooter, Tim. From where do you come up with these outlandish story lines? Do you make them up yourself or are they rumors or do you get them from some source? Don't trust everything from such a source. China sees us as their most important trading partner--that's real.

TroubleshooterTim Loc: People's Republic of Oregon

I spend a lot of time reading this kind of outlandish stuff.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-14/chinas-state-press-calls-for-building-a-de-americanized-world

http://www.globalresearch.ca/china-agency-calls-for-new-reserve-currency-and-new-world-order/5354190

Have you ever heard the Term Unrestricted Warfare (URW).
The Chinese coined the phrase, how to take out an opponent without firing a shot.
Johns Hopkins had a URW symposium for a few years, and the proceedings are published online. You want to see the road map? Check out the proceedings.
http://www.jhuapl.edu/urw_symposium/previous/2007/pages/proceedings2006.htm
http://www.jhuapl.edu/urw_symposium/previous/2007/pages/proceedings2007.htm
http://www.jhuapl.edu/urw_symposium/proceedings.aspx

China is only our friend while it is advantageous to them.
When they are no longer benefiting on the deal you will see how long their love for us will last.

comcash1 Loc: the UK

Hello there timmh7...



Thanks for your comments.I'm not going
to argue with you about china.Its not
worth my time or effort. Besides...your
only interested in what you want to tell
other people. IF lyou had read my last
email to you...you would have found out
that I am by no means a liberal. I am what
is now referred to in Washington DC as a
Tea Party conversative.


I've already done my work and duty in
in vietnam in combat. I lived thru a
dangerous live fire shooting war in
nam and lived to tell about it. I was
able to come back alive but am now
a phyislcaly disabled veteran due to
some wounds I got in nam..whiich
I have to deall wit on a daily basis..


I merely responded to one of your forum
posts and posted my opinion and personal
knowledge.& facts of some things and
apparelntly you simply could not handle
that. I'm not sorry that I disrupted your
personal reality and rattled your cage.


The real world is going to going to do that
to you every day.How well you surrive
those daily attack depends on how well you
handle the crap that gets thrown at you.



I've lived thru my part of the war in
vietnam and I can surirve the coming
civil war with Obama's FEMA and NSA
agencies..because I now know how..



As regards to the debt owned to china;
the gov of China simpy wants at least
part of the U.s.debt paid back now.
What I advised you ijn the forum was
fact. The china are slowly recovering
>some> of the past debt thru a
currency war with the United States.
Before you 'pop off' gain...you would
want to check the facts on the web.


As for myself...I do not get my 'news' or
sound bits from mainlstream media.As
regards to Obama; he is what he is and
for several more months..american
citizens are simply going to have to deal
withi that the best they can...



regards,
Mr Scott
the MoneyWorkz [tm]
usa
comcash1@gmail.com

timmh67 Loc: USA...West Coast

Hello comcash1, are you talking to" troubleshooterTim" or timmh67, might be a little confussion. Check your e-mail please.

Artemis

I don't give any weight to the original post,as far as Obama being in cahoots with China. But I would like to pose some questions.
Nothing that I know of, prevents anyone from a real estate deal. Bought lands can include below ground. One of our greatest assets even if our dollar were to fall,are our commodities.
Anyone can become a US citizen, and now corporations are people too.

One tidbit of info. I never knew, my daughter went to a University in N Dakota. Her freshman year she was assigned a Chinese student to room with,which she didn't care. She told me that half the students there were Chinese transfer students on US grants, and the majority of them were studying American law. I couldn't help but feel vulnerable.

I don't want to be paranoid, or naive and I mostly don't want the rug to be pulled out from under our feet.

comcash1 Loc: the UK

Hello there Mr jonHatfield...


This is Mr Scott. I am asnwering your
earlier but mis guided post.



You must think that everyone other than
you who posts to the forum is some sort
of idiot. So I'm not going to waste my
time or efforts with you cos you simply
don't want to hear what other people
have to say.Thati is not a good sign.



As regards to China...

you are preaching to the choir.

Other than the germans, the russians and
the americans...china is currenlty one of
the world's most quickly advancing
societies,along with its military.


But China is still a communist ruled
country.


ike the U.S.federal gov't, China also has
a quicky growing problem with its growing
naitonal debt and its banks due to fast over
building in its realestate acivitives.


China has started to live iin and try to
exist in a similar economc 'bubble' that t
he U.S.federal gov't has created for itself.



About six months ago China and russia
began to quietly exchange their currencies
to buy the goods & servics offered by the
the other country.


China is using its own massive gold
reserves to buy oil directly from russia
and saudia arabia.But very recently
China started buying much of its oil and
natural gas direclty from the oil fields
in south dakota and midland Texas.



So the chinese yuan, the ruble and the india
currency could become the main new reserve
curencies' by mid 2014.And yes, the U.S.
dollar is now almost worthless on global
currency markets..thanks in part of
Obama.


You apparenlty like to impress other people
with numbers comparisons and doing your
best to insult and belittle other people.
Apparenlty that is apparenlty your style
on the forum.


But I simply don't care about your 'numbers'
cos your number comparisons just show me
that you're trying hard to sound really
knowledgable to impress people you'll never
meet in person..and it simply does not wash.



Hey Mr hatfield, I'm familiar with what's
going on in china even though I'm not
physically in the country.I've seen and
watched the online video in which the
Obama recently met with the president
of China in a very posh esort in california
and they both signed the written agreement
that under certain conditiions allowing the
china military to come into the states to
take whatever propertiies they wanted or
desired..ini lieu of paying any parts of
the debt in cash..


Mr hatfield..you are the one who is badly
mis-infomed..and I'm not going to school
you. You can easily re-educate yourself
using the web.



Trading Partners...


Currently china IS a trading partner with
the United States.That much is true.But if
china does not sell a certain amount of
goods & services to the United States thru
their impolrt/ export agreements or with
their other trading partners...China's own
economy will itself collaspe within a period
of eight months.Therefore the United States
and China are locked into something of
an economic mexican standoff.



I'm not going to get into an online war with
you cos I'm not going to waste my time or
eforts or energy that way. As I've already
stated...I'm done my time in a dangerous
shooting war in vietnam and with the help
of the holy spirit was able to come back.



Also..I'm not some sort of ignorant
righwingnut job.but I am what the mafia
in washington DC now calls a Tea Party
conversative. If you want to have an
online war about that...you can leave
me out cos I'm not interested.



About the EMP post...

I did not 'create' that info just to impress
you or rattle the cage of people like you.
That info was and is factual. In closing this
out...you can belittle and ridicle and trash
me all that you want in the forum cos
we're not in the same room together.


I can start using very colourful lanuage
here with you..but I'm not ging to lower
myself to that level.



In your mis guided post to me today...
you have shown me just how much you
want to impress other people with your
knowledge etc., but you also come across
as being annoyed, angry and at times
badly mis informed.



By the way Sir hatfield..China is still a
communist country.And yes, the chinese
DO immulate and buy and wear the fashions
and culture of the states because they enjoy
that kind of 'freedom'. Also, the governing
party of china has found a unique balance of
communism & free market capitalism that
works for them and untli very recently was
bringing them a fast growing affluent
economy. Aren't you glad you asked?



regards,
Mr Scott
The MoneyWorkz [tm]
usa
comcash1@gmail.com