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Can Muslims Be Good Americans?????
Dec 11, 2015 22:37:30 #
mark13
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No... their self-styled religion forbids it.
Why the Marine Hymn Contains the Verse "To the Shores of Tripoli"
This is very interesting and a must read piece of our history. It points out where we are heading.
Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the United States had declared war on Islam and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!
At the height of the eighteenth century, Muslim pirates (the Barbary Pirates) were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic.
They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their government and family members to pay whatever their Mohammedan captors demanded.
These extortionists of the high seas represented the North African Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers - collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast - and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic.
Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France. However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets. Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy.
Beginning in 1784, seventeen years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America 's Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war.
In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.
In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli 's ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.
The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja answered, Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."
Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over twenty percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.
Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.
Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the flagpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that it was finally time to meet force with force.
He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to "cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify".
When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as "leathernecks" for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.
Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.
America had a tradition of religious tolerance. In fact Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacism, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States .
This should concern every American. That Muslims have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged; Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from their menus; on and on and on and on .
It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America . By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our own culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the Islamists agenda. Sadly, it appears that today America's STUPID leaders would rather be politically correct than victorious!
If you have doubts about the above information, Google Thomas Jefferson vs. the Muslim World.
Banning people from our country because of their form of religion is not what we like to call the "American way" and there are the Muslims I have met who are nice people. Some exceptions, those I met in the late 60s who are now people in Iran hating us for not being of their faith, Muslim.
The French let Muslims move in, muslins who refuse to acculturate, and now turn to murder : Jihad : Holy War... in, against, and on France.
The same Jihad style attacks America suffered on 911 and again, 1215, in California... Why, because we, Americans, are not and do not want to be Muslims.
I cannot tell a good Muslim from those who come with Muslim Jihad minds and murder in their hearts.
The Muslim Religion : practicing Muslims make it is impossible to figure out which of the Muslim brethren seek to come to the US to commit acts of terror on American citizens with the purpose of advancing the global triumph of their self styled "Religion of the Sword" it is written in the Quran that all nations who do not acknowledged our authority are sinners, it is our right and duty to make war upon them wherever they can be found, to make slaves of all we can, knowing that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle is sure to go to Paradise." which is definitely "not the American way" to live, die, enjoy life or get to Heaven.
don't bother to copy to the Narcissist, dolt, occupying America's Executive Office for his Muslim henchmen.
Why the Marine Hymn Contains the Verse "To the Shores of Tripoli"
This is very interesting and a must read piece of our history. It points out where we are heading.
Most Americans are unaware of the fact that over two hundred years ago the United States had declared war on Islam and Thomas Jefferson led the charge!
At the height of the eighteenth century, Muslim pirates (the Barbary Pirates) were the terror of the Mediterranean and a large area of the North Atlantic.
They attacked every ship in sight, and held the crews for exorbitant ransoms. Those taken hostage were subjected to barbaric treatment and wrote heart-breaking letters home, begging their government and family members to pay whatever their Mohammedan captors demanded.
These extortionists of the high seas represented the North African Islamic nations of Tripoli, Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers - collectively referred to as the Barbary Coast - and presented a dangerous and unprovoked threat to the new American Republic.
Before the Revolutionary War, U.S. merchant ships had been under the protection of Great Britain. When the U.S. declared its independence and entered into war, the ships of the United States were protected by France. However, once the war was won, America had to protect its own fleets. Thus, the birth of the U.S. Navy.
Beginning in 1784, seventeen years before he would become president, Thomas Jefferson became America 's Minister to France. That same year, the U.S. Congress sought to appease its Muslim adversaries by following in the footsteps of European nations who paid bribes to the Barbary States rather than engaging them in war.
In July of 1785, Algerian pirates captured American ships, and the Dye of Algiers demanded an unheard-of ransom of $60,000. It was a plain and simple case of extortion, and Thomas Jefferson was vehemently opposed to any further payments. Instead, he proposed to Congress the formation of a coalition of allied nations who together could force the Islamic states into peace. A disinterested Congress decided to pay the ransom.
In 1786, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams met with Tripoli 's ambassador to Great Britain to ask by what right his nation attacked American ships and enslaved American citizens, and why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts.
The two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja answered, Islam "was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Quran that all nations who would not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle was sure to go to Paradise."
Despite this stunning admission of premeditated violence on non-Muslim nations, as well as the objections of many notable American leaders, including George Washington, who warned that caving in was both wrong and would only further embolden the enemy, for the following fifteen years the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to over twenty percent of the United States government annual revenues in 1800.
Jefferson was disgusted. Shortly after his being sworn in as the third President of the United States in 1801, the Pasha of Tripoli sent him a note demanding the immediate payment of $225,000 plus $25,000 a year for every year forthcoming. That changed everything.
Jefferson let the Pasha know, in no uncertain terms, what he could do with his demand. The Pasha responded by cutting down the flagpole at the American consulate and declared war on the United States. Tunis, Morocco, and Algiers immediately followed suit. Jefferson, until now, had been against America raising a naval force for anything beyond coastal defense, but, having watched his nation be cowed by Islamic thuggery for long enough, decided that it was finally time to meet force with force.
He dispatched a squadron of frigates to the Mediterranean and taught the Muslim nations of the Barbary Coast a lesson he hoped they would never forget. Congress authorized Jefferson to empower U.S. ships to seize all vessels and goods of the Pasha of Tripoli and to "cause to be done all other acts of precaution or hostility as the state of war would justify".
When Algiers and Tunis, who were both accustomed to American cowardice and acquiescence, saw the newly independent United States had both the will and the right to strike back, they quickly abandoned their allegiance to Tripoli. The war with Tripoli lasted for four more years, and raged up again in 1815. The bravery of the U.S. Marine Corps in these wars led to the line "to the shores of Tripoli" in the Marine Hymn, and they would forever be known as "leathernecks" for the leather collars of their uniforms, designed to prevent their heads from being cut off by the Muslim scimitars when boarding enemy ships.
Islam, and what its Barbary followers justified doing in the name of their prophet and their god, disturbed Jefferson quite deeply.
America had a tradition of religious tolerance. In fact Jefferson, himself, had co-authored the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom, but fundamentalist Islam was like no other religion the world had ever seen. A religion based on supremacism, whose holy book not only condoned but mandated violence against unbelievers, was unacceptable to him. His greatest fear was that someday this brand of Islam would return and pose an even greater threat to the United States .
This should concern every American. That Muslims have brought about women-only classes and swimming times at taxpayer-funded universities and public pools; that Christians, Jews, and Hindus have been banned from serving on juries where Muslim defendants are being judged; Piggy banks and Porky Pig tissue dispensers have been banned from workplaces because they offend Islamist sensibilities; ice cream has been discontinued at certain Burger King locations because the picture on the wrapper looks similar to the Arabic script for Allah; public schools are pulling pork from their menus; on and on and on and on .
It's death by a thousand cuts, or inch-by-inch as some refer to it, and most Americans have no idea that this battle is being waged every day across America . By not fighting back, by allowing groups to obfuscate what is really happening, and not insisting that the Islamists adapt to our own culture, the United States is cutting its own throat with a politically correct knife, and helping to further the Islamists agenda. Sadly, it appears that today America's STUPID leaders would rather be politically correct than victorious!
If you have doubts about the above information, Google Thomas Jefferson vs. the Muslim World.
Banning people from our country because of their form of religion is not what we like to call the "American way" and there are the Muslims I have met who are nice people. Some exceptions, those I met in the late 60s who are now people in Iran hating us for not being of their faith, Muslim.
The French let Muslims move in, muslins who refuse to acculturate, and now turn to murder : Jihad : Holy War... in, against, and on France.
The same Jihad style attacks America suffered on 911 and again, 1215, in California... Why, because we, Americans, are not and do not want to be Muslims.
I cannot tell a good Muslim from those who come with Muslim Jihad minds and murder in their hearts.
The Muslim Religion : practicing Muslims make it is impossible to figure out which of the Muslim brethren seek to come to the US to commit acts of terror on American citizens with the purpose of advancing the global triumph of their self styled "Religion of the Sword" it is written in the Quran that all nations who do not acknowledged our authority are sinners, it is our right and duty to make war upon them wherever they can be found, to make slaves of all we can, knowing that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in Battle is sure to go to Paradise." which is definitely "not the American way" to live, die, enjoy life or get to Heaven.
don't bother to copy to the Narcissist, dolt, occupying America's Executive Office for his Muslim henchmen.
Dec 11, 2015 23:03:17 #
woz75 wrote:
Brainwashed simpletons...Trumpets - undereducated drooling mouth breathers - tanking the republiKKKlan party into history's garbage chute - hilariously sad
You're obviously under the mistaken impression that anyone with a functioning brain actually cares what you think. Hilariously funny.
Dec 12, 2015 01:01:28 #
mark13
Loc: usa
Ah ! one of the hate America to destruction feudal collectivist dolts... the typical empty vessel : a modern definition of the ignorant man.
Dec 12, 2015 01:05:09 #
mark13 wrote:
Ah ! one of the hate America to destruction feudal collectivist dolts... the typical empty vessel : a modern definition of the ignorant man.
You might want to use the quote/reply button, so we know who you're replying to. Just saying.
Dec 12, 2015 01:12:40 #
mark13
Loc: usa
reply goes to the writer ? if so, quote/reply was not the choice. And, if they all go to everyone; then, why have a reply ? Inquiring users need to know... thanks.
Dec 12, 2015 01:16:54 #
mark13 wrote:
reply goes to the writer ? if so, quote/reply was not the choice. And, if they all go to everyone; then, why have a reply ? Inquiring users need to know... thanks.
Quote reply adds the content of the post you are replying too. Just as it has done in this reply. There is no confusion about who I am replying to, since it's right there along with my reply. Often times, you can be replying to someone, and someone else will reply before you finish typing your reply. You don't have to use it, but it would be appreciated and avoid any confusion.
Dec 12, 2015 01:23:44 #
DamnYANKEE wrote:
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: They CANT be American , PERIOD
Read my post here
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Dec 12, 2015 04:32:06 #
eagleye13 wrote:
Who do think set up the massive migration? br br ... (show quote)
Did you think your argument out , or just react to a statement.. WE will FIGHT!!!!!!!!!! but many thanks!!
Dec 12, 2015 05:34:11 #
JMHO wrote:
Can a good Muslim be a good American? br br... (show quote)
They are good Americans so I guess that answers that question. What I want to know is when are Christian Conservatives going to start behaving like good Americans? My bet is never!
Dec 12, 2015 08:31:54 #
PeterS wrote:
They are good Americans so I guess that answers that question. What I want to know is when are Christian Conservatives going to start behaving like good Americans? My bet is never!
What I want to know is when Conservatives, including Christians, Start being conservatives again? To stop being played by the Internationalist Banking Cabal. Vote in a non establishment, non-CFR president, who will fill his cabinet with non-CFR front men. Those that put america first. Those that believe in real liberty. Those that will attempt to reestablish the principles this nation was founded on.
The Preamble to the Constitution covers it pretty well:
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
BTW; The Constitution has been replaced by the PTB running the show. Can we get it back?
:thumbup: :thumbup:
Dec 12, 2015 09:14:19 #
no propaganda please
Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
eagleye13 wrote:
What I want to know is when Conservatives, includi... (show quote)
The only good Muslim is a bad Muslim
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh2tFhUCq4c
Dec 12, 2015 10:38:15 #
mark13
Loc: usa
RWNJ wrote:
Quote reply adds the content of the post you are replying too. Just as it has done in this reply. There is no confusion about who I am replying to, since it's right there along with my reply. Often times, you can be replying to someone, and someone else will reply before you finish typing your reply. You don't have to use it, but it would be appreciated and avoid any confusion.
sounds useful, thanks.
Dec 12, 2015 11:38:58 #
Well stated. That can apply to other religions as well.
There are those that get played by doctrines.
There are those that get played by doctrines.
no propaganda please wrote:
Dec 12, 2015 12:07:21 #
no propaganda please wrote:
This thread asserts that a literal interpretation of passages of ancient holy texts, and cultural appropriation of sexist, bigoted practices, and emotional/spiritual allegiance to a misanthropic deity and associated religious views would disqualify a person from full participation and allegiance in a secular government.
It mistakenly implies that the USA is a theocracy. It is not.
It then doglegs into practical bigotry with comments like yours, NPP. If I read you correctly, you are saying that a Muslim would necessarily have to go against the teachings of the Muslim faith in order to be a good citizen.
I assert the same to be true for Christians. If ones highest allegiance is to ones God/Faith, ones country/government necessarily comes in second.
My response in my parody of the initial post was to point out that the difficulty in basing a fair secular government suitable for diverse groups of people of differing degrees of religious ferver and flavor upon Sharia Law is identical to basing government upon Biblical Law.
Radical fundamentalist groups like ISIS or the Ku Klux Klan arise from the abominable idea of one radical fundamentalist religious group exerting dominance and power over the entire population. If you want to know what a Christian Theocracy would be like, check your history books. It was called "The Dark Ages"
Dec 12, 2015 12:12:52 #
Those that think not all muzzies are radical extremists out to destroy the American culture will be useful idiots for only a short time? Think oliar is not a muzzie? Think again. Think the current administration is not full of muzzies and their sympathizers? Think again.
Take it from one who has experienced their violent extremism first hand and understands their ultimate goal to "fundamentally transform America" from the inside. Listen to Bridgette Gabriel very closely in this 4 minute snippet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFxNPvns7nU
Take it from one who has experienced their violent extremism first hand and understands their ultimate goal to "fundamentally transform America" from the inside. Listen to Bridgette Gabriel very closely in this 4 minute snippet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFxNPvns7nU
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