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Dec 9, 2015 12:48:10   #
payne1000
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I have seen this before. He always sounds so truthful. If true, look at what Obama inherited. Is it any wonder why Obama is reluctant to continue with this "strategy?"


Except for the Iran agreement, Obama appears to be on board with the Zionist agenda. The only thing which keeps Obama's handlers from allowing more troops to be sent into Syria is the war-weary mood of the American people. The Zionist oligarchy continually demonizes Muslims with false flag attacks (San Bernadino/Paris) in order to alter the mood of Americans to favor more war against Muslims. Hopefully the American people are smarter than to be fooled again.

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Dec 9, 2015 13:00:06   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
payne1000 wrote:
Except for the Iran agreement, Obama appears to be on board with the Zionist agenda. The only thing which keeps Obama's handlers from allowing more troops to be sent into Syria is the war-weary mood of the American people. The Zionist oligarchy continually demonizes Muslims with false flag attacks (San Bernadino/Paris) in order to alter the mood of Americans to favor more war against Muslims. Hopefully the American people are smarter than to be fooled again.


I have no doubt Israel would perpetrate any number of lies and covert actions to builds up American Hatred of virtually any Muslim groups, especially those who pose a threat to Israel. I have suspected for some time now that the gassing of civilians in Syria was their doing or set up by their doing in order to builds animosity towards Assad and the Syrian regime.

We are, no doubt, in over our head and yet we still have those who would throw us back into it full on fighting ISIS and whom ever might pop up with who knows what agenda.

The best thing we can do at this point is to walk away from there, build up our world oil business and help as many as possible become independent of ME oil. Russia and other oil rich countries should do the same. The entire world should turn our backs on the ME. Non-muslims should evacuate ASAP.

The sad thing is that we are to stand with Israel to the bitter end I guess, despite their covert shenanigans. And despite ours too I guess, although I think our role has been exaggerated.

Such a mess.

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Dec 9, 2015 13:25:57   #
payne1000
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I have no doubt Israel would perpetrate any number of lies and covert actions to builds up American Hatred of virtually any Muslim groups, especially those who pose a threat to Israel. I have suspected for some time now that the gassing of civilians in Syria was their doing or set up by their doing in order to builds animosity towards Assad and the Syrian regime.

We are, no doubt, in over our head and yet we still have those who would throw us back into it full on fighting ISIS and whom ever might pop up with who knows what agenda.

The best thing we can do at this point is to walk away from there, build up our world oil business and help as many as possible become independent of ME oil. Russia and other oil rich countries should do the same. The entire world should turn our backs on the ME. Non-muslims should evacuate ASAP.

The sad thing is that we are to stand with Israel to the bitter end I guess, despite their covert shenanigans. And despite ours too I guess, although I think our role has been exaggerated.

Such a mess.
I have no doubt Israel would perpetrate any number... (show quote)


Members of Turkey's parliament claim businessmen in Turkey supplied the sarin gas used in Syria. I suspect Mossad/CIA/MI6 was behind it.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/20/turkish-mp-ankara-supplied-terrorists-in-syria-with-sarin-gas/

If NATO troops go into Syria, they won't be fighting ISIS.
They'll join ISIS in taking out Assad.

I suspect Russia will stand by her allies in the ME.

It is a mess and Zionists are the cause of it all--
One tiny country about the size of New Jersey with a population less than NYC--about to cause WWIII.

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Dec 9, 2015 13:31:54   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
payne1000 wrote:
Members of Turkey's parliament claim businessmen in Turkey supplied the sarin gas used in Syria. I suspect Mossad/CIA/MI6 was behind it.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/10/20/turkish-mp-ankara-supplied-terrorists-in-syria-with-sarin-gas/

If NATO troops go into Syria, they won't be fighting ISIS.
They'll join ISIS in taking out Assad.

I suspect Russia will stand by her allies in the ME.

It is a mess and Zionists are the cause of it all--
One tiny country about the size of New Jersey with a population less than NYC--about to cause WWIII.
Members of Turkey's parliament claim businessmen i... (show quote)


Believing it or getting others to believe it certainly could be used by those who would benefit from the chaos and possibly the war/wars it would produce. The big ones never happen for the reasons we are lead to believe.

The entire theory, however, isn't something Israel could actually benefit from; that is the instigation of conflict on this scale. Literally, one or two good sized nukes could take out or ruin Israel almost totally. Personally, if I were Israel, I'd move out of that neighborhood.

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Dec 9, 2015 13:44:51   #
payne1000
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Believing it or getting others to believe it certainly could be used by those who would benefit from the chaos and possibly the war/wars it would produce. The big ones never happen for the reasons we are lead to believe.

The entire theory, however, isn't something Israel could actually benefit from; that is the instigation of conflict on this scale. Literally, one or two good sized nukes could take out or ruin Israel almost totally. Personally, if I were Israel, I'd move out of that neighborhood.
Believing it or getting others to believe it certa... (show quote)


Israel has bribed the leaders of the entire NATO Alliance to do Israel's bidding. The leaders they couldn't bribe they had replaced through election manipulation--just as they do in the U.S. The Jewish/Zionist diaspora throughout the world is very wealthy. They spend that wealth to manipulate politicians on Israel's behalf. It's obvious to me they think they can eventually rule the world with Israel first taking control of the entire Middle East and all its resources. Look at Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban--both Zionist billionaires living in the U.S. and spending millions to get pro-Israel candidates elected. How many other wealthy Zionists are doing the same under the radar?

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Dec 9, 2015 15:18:28   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
payne1000 wrote:
Israel has bribed the leaders of the entire NATO Alliance to do Israel's bidding. The leaders they couldn't bribe they had replaced through election manipulation--just as they do in the U.S. The Jewish/Zionist diaspora throughout the world is very wealthy. They spend that wealth to manipulate politicians on Israel's behalf. It's obvious to me they think they can eventually rule the world with Israel first taking control of the entire Middle East and all its resources. Look at Sheldon Adelson and Haim Saban--both Zionist billionaires living in the U.S. and spending millions to get pro-Israel candidates elected. How many other wealthy Zionists are doing the same under the radar?
Israel has bribed the leaders of the entire NATO A... (show quote)


They do what they think they need to do to protect Israel. I do think you exaggerate a bit, however.

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Dec 9, 2015 16:00:08   #
payne1000
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
They do what they think they need to do to protect Israel. I do think you exaggerate a bit, however.


They're going about it all wrong. If they returned the land they stole from the Palestinians over the last half century and end the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank the world and the Arabs might cut them a little slack.
They won't do that. What they will do is continue to attempt to take more and more of the land from neighboring countries.

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Dec 9, 2015 16:23:57   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
No, really, he isn't. Pete has gift for asking stupid questions.


Because he's an idiot and shames my first name. :twisted:

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Dec 9, 2015 16:29:33   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
payne1000 wrote:
They're going about it all wrong. If they returned the land they stole from the Palestinians over the last half century and end the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank the world and the Arabs might cut them a little slack.
They won't do that. What they will do is continue to attempt to take more and more of the land from neighboring countries.


They found oil in that land. lots of it! They want it!

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Dec 9, 2015 16:33:02   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
payne1000 wrote:
They're going about it all wrong. If they returned the land they stole from the Palestinians over the last half century and end the occupation of Gaza and the West Bank the world and the Arabs might cut them a little slack.
They won't do that. What they will do is continue to attempt to take more and more of the land from neighboring countries.


China stole Tibet, why how whine about that, worse , they took Tibet w/o provocation. The Bedouins who are now called "Palestinians" were funded to attack Israel with Egyptian and other Arab nation's military forces attacked Israel and LOST the war and the territory. These Arab nations STILL refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist. Give one single sound loguical reason why Israel should surrender what cost them blood and treasure without compensation.

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Dec 9, 2015 16:50:14   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
peter11937 wrote:
China stole Tibet, why how whine about that, worse , they took Tibet w/o provocation. The Bedouins who are now called "Palestinians" were funded to attack Israel with Egyptian and other Arab nation's military forces attacked Israel and LOST the war and the territory. These Arab nations STILL refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist. Give one single sound loguical reason why Israel should surrender what cost them blood and treasure without compensation.



They are the chosen people, that's why! LOL!

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Dec 9, 2015 16:58:49   #
mouset783 Loc: Oklahoma
 
SamDawkins wrote:
Well stated Kevyn. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:


As usual the blind leading the blind and also as usual standing proud Oh well takes all kinds I guess.

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Dec 9, 2015 17:03:47   #
mouset783 Loc: Oklahoma
 
Kevyn wrote:
It is easy if you bomb the hell out of someone to make a point, civilian women children and the elderly be damned they and their supporters will become docile and decide not to mess with the people who did it. Don't you remember after 9-11 when Americans collectively said since they attacked we had best stop dealing with the middle east entirely and we did. By destroying the trade center Bin Laden got us right off his back. Extreme aimless violence always works to achieve peace and stability. We can bomb the ISIL terrorists regardless of where they are and collateral damage. This of course would mean carpet bombing San Bernardino and suburban Paris because that is where the terrorists came from. Ted Cruz is pandering to idiots and he is stepping up his game to compete with Trumps buffoonery. The California mass shooters came from Saudi Arabia and a second generation from Pakastan. No American president will carpet bomb either. It is damn near impossible to fight bad ideas with bombs, it just draws attention to the bad ideas.
It is easy if you bomb the hell out of someone to ... (show quote)

Do you have any documentation that says you are an expert on "everything" as you portray?. A copy of your GED will do nicely. Otherwise you will be considered just another blathering idiot which this OOP seems to be a breeding ground.

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Dec 9, 2015 17:38:57   #
payne1000
 
peter11937 wrote:
China stole Tibet, why how whine about that, worse , they took Tibet w/o provocation. The Bedouins who are now called "Palestinians" were funded to attack Israel with Egyptian and other Arab nation's military forces attacked Israel and LOST the war and the territory. These Arab nations STILL refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist. Give one single sound loguical reason why Israel should surrender what cost them blood and treasure without compensation.


What if the Zionists decided to take your land and threatened to kill you and your family if you didn't leave?

How would you feel about it then?

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Dec 9, 2015 17:49:20   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
mouset783 wrote:
Do you have any documentation that says you are an expert on "everything" as you portray?. A copy of your GED will do nicely. Otherwise you will be considered just another blathering idiot which this OOP seems to be a breeding ground.


Oh he's an "expert" for sure! :roll: "Carpet" bombing has been unnecessary since it stopped on RVN. Hell, even B-52's can carry "smart" bombs and similar self or individually guided "smart" munitions. The 210mm tv/wire guided missile was first used in RVN 45 years ago. Even "Ma Duce" has very interesting .50 ammo today that are not just copper jacked lead. I haven't looked in some time, but I'll bet Jane's small arms of the worldsd might open a few eeyes!

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