Legally and Ethically OPT-OUT of Obamacare Forever
Oct 11, 2015 23:12:05 #
RWNJ wrote:
Did I say that? I think I did not. Read it again.
Bad Bob
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Oct 12, 2015 01:12:03 #
Gener wrote:
Bad Bob
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Bad Boob is here for one thing, and one thing only. To have fun making others miserable.
Oct 12, 2015 08:03:50 #
Bad Bob
Loc: Virginia
Gener wrote:
Bad Bob
Go away. You need help. Seriously, you need help. Get your help then come back. Your posts are worthless and meaningless. You need help. Go away, get some help.
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:thumbup: :lol:
Oct 12, 2015 08:06:00 #
Bad Bob
Loc: Virginia
RWNJ wrote:
Bad Boob is here for one thing, and one thing only. To have fun making others miserable.
Only Wacko haters. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Oct 12, 2015 10:37:32 #
Bad Bob wrote:
:thumbup: :lol:
exactly the answer I expected, which just goes to show my original point.
Oct 12, 2015 10:46:49 #
Bad Bob
Loc: Virginia
Gener wrote:
Bad Bob
Go away. You need help. Seriously, you need help. Get your help then come back. Your posts are worthless and meaningless. You need help. Go away, get some help.
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Gener it's not me that needs help, it's the GOPee party of Wacko losers.
Oct 12, 2015 13:38:11 #
To bmac 32 If the SS Administration didn't invest in Government Treasure bills. The safest way to invest SS money. the alternative would be the stock market. That might generate more return but not as secure. When the Government sells Treasure bills the money goes into the general fund. where else would it go. Many people describes it as IOU's. In a sense that is what it is on any investment.
Oct 12, 2015 13:39:18 #
Oct 12, 2015 16:30:17 #
Here is another way to look at that. In the last 10 years how many times has SS payments not gone up, 3 all under Obama. Food prices didn't go up, electric prices froze or medical costs shrunk and everyone has a job.
Now if that money had gone into private accounts would you never give yourself at least a slight raise, the government has no problem saying no raise.
Now if that money had gone into private accounts would you never give yourself at least a slight raise, the government has no problem saying no raise.
glen10 wrote:
To bmac 32 If the SS Administration didn't invest in Government Treasure bills. The safest way to invest SS money. the alternative would be the stock market. That might generate more return but not as secure. When the Government sells Treasure bills the money goes into the general fund. where else would it go. Many people describes it as IOU's. In a sense that is what it is on any investment.
Oct 12, 2015 20:05:30 #
reply to bmac32
PRIVATE ACCOUNTS ARE ALRIGHT BUT NOT AS EITHER OR. SS IS MUCH LIKE A PONZI SCHEM DELUTING IT WITH PRIVATE ACCOUNTS REMOVED WOULD CRIPPLE SS. I HAVE A PLAN I THINK WOULD ACHEIVE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND NOT DESTROY SS IN THE PROCESS. SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE I BELIEVE ARE SIMPLE TO REFORM. FIRST YOU DON'T WANT TO HURT THE OUTCOME BUT TO REVERSE THE TREND. THEY BOTH NEED TO BE RUN LIKE A BUSINESS AND USE GOOD BUSINESS MODELS TO RESTRUCTURE. *[ SOCIAL SECURITY]-----I BELIEVE SOCIAL SECURITY NEEDS TO BE BROKEN UP IN TO 2 DIVISIONS, ONE PART LEAVE
SOCIAL SECURITY AS IS MOVING THE CUTOFF LEVEL FROM 117.000 TO ONE MILLION OR10 MILLION OR WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO MAKE IT SOLVENT FOREVER., THE OTHER MAKE MORE LIKE A MUTUAL FUND. SIMULAR TO CANADA. TAKE 10% THE FIRST 2 YEARS AND INVEST IN TO S&P 500. THE 3RD. 4TH AND 5TH YEARS INCREASE THAT AMOUNT 5% EA OF THE NEXT 3 YEARS WITH A TOTAL OF 25% OF SOCIAL SECURITY MONIES INVESTED IN TO THE S&P 500. EVERYONE WILL BENEFIT FROM THE 75%-25% RATIO. FOR YOUNGER INVESTOR, THEY CAN INVEST INTO THIS SOCIAL SECURITY MUTUAL FUND LIKE ANY OTHER MUTUAL FUND FOR AN ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS PORTFOLIO IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT LIKE THE CANADA SYSTEM . SOME AMERICA SS RETIREES DO INVEST IN THE CANADA SYSTEM WITH GOOD RESULTS. IT WOULD BE A TAX FREE INVESTMENT LIKE AN IRA. OR ROTH. THERE WOULD BE A SPECIAL PANEL SET UP MANAGE THE FUND. THIS WOULD GIVE
ADDITIONAL MONEY COMING INTO THE SS FUND. THE GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BORROW FROM THIS FUND[25% PORTION OF IT]. I AM NOT SMART ENOUGH TO WORK ALL THE DETAILS OUT, BUT IT WOULD INCREASE SOLVENCY AND HOPEFULLY BENEFITS PAYMENTS. AFTER INTEREST WAS PAID TO THE SS MUTUAL PLAN WERE, THEN THE PROFITS OF THE PLAN WOULD BE PLOWED INTO THE OVERALL STANDARD SOCIAL SECURITY KITTY. i.e. THE 25% INVEST WOULD BE FOR EVERYONE .ANYONE COULD IVEST IN THE 25% FUND FOR AN ADDITIONAL BENIFIT. ANY THING OVER 25% WOULD BE OF A RISK
PRIVATE ACCOUNTS ARE ALRIGHT BUT NOT AS EITHER OR. SS IS MUCH LIKE A PONZI SCHEM DELUTING IT WITH PRIVATE ACCOUNTS REMOVED WOULD CRIPPLE SS. I HAVE A PLAN I THINK WOULD ACHEIVE WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT AND NOT DESTROY SS IN THE PROCESS. SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE I BELIEVE ARE SIMPLE TO REFORM. FIRST YOU DON'T WANT TO HURT THE OUTCOME BUT TO REVERSE THE TREND. THEY BOTH NEED TO BE RUN LIKE A BUSINESS AND USE GOOD BUSINESS MODELS TO RESTRUCTURE. *[ SOCIAL SECURITY]-----I BELIEVE SOCIAL SECURITY NEEDS TO BE BROKEN UP IN TO 2 DIVISIONS, ONE PART LEAVE
SOCIAL SECURITY AS IS MOVING THE CUTOFF LEVEL FROM 117.000 TO ONE MILLION OR10 MILLION OR WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO MAKE IT SOLVENT FOREVER., THE OTHER MAKE MORE LIKE A MUTUAL FUND. SIMULAR TO CANADA. TAKE 10% THE FIRST 2 YEARS AND INVEST IN TO S&P 500. THE 3RD. 4TH AND 5TH YEARS INCREASE THAT AMOUNT 5% EA OF THE NEXT 3 YEARS WITH A TOTAL OF 25% OF SOCIAL SECURITY MONIES INVESTED IN TO THE S&P 500. EVERYONE WILL BENEFIT FROM THE 75%-25% RATIO. FOR YOUNGER INVESTOR, THEY CAN INVEST INTO THIS SOCIAL SECURITY MUTUAL FUND LIKE ANY OTHER MUTUAL FUND FOR AN ADDITIONAL INVESTMENTS PORTFOLIO IT WOULD BE SOMEWHAT LIKE THE CANADA SYSTEM . SOME AMERICA SS RETIREES DO INVEST IN THE CANADA SYSTEM WITH GOOD RESULTS. IT WOULD BE A TAX FREE INVESTMENT LIKE AN IRA. OR ROTH. THERE WOULD BE A SPECIAL PANEL SET UP MANAGE THE FUND. THIS WOULD GIVE
ADDITIONAL MONEY COMING INTO THE SS FUND. THE GOVERNMENT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BORROW FROM THIS FUND[25% PORTION OF IT]. I AM NOT SMART ENOUGH TO WORK ALL THE DETAILS OUT, BUT IT WOULD INCREASE SOLVENCY AND HOPEFULLY BENEFITS PAYMENTS. AFTER INTEREST WAS PAID TO THE SS MUTUAL PLAN WERE, THEN THE PROFITS OF THE PLAN WOULD BE PLOWED INTO THE OVERALL STANDARD SOCIAL SECURITY KITTY. i.e. THE 25% INVEST WOULD BE FOR EVERYONE .ANYONE COULD IVEST IN THE 25% FUND FOR AN ADDITIONAL BENIFIT. ANY THING OVER 25% WOULD BE OF A RISK
Oct 12, 2015 22:19:38 #
glen10 wrote:
I don't know that FEMA camps are as innocuous as you suggest and then again, maybe they have been made part of a vast right wing conspiracy for political gain. But, I will tell you several years ago while driving an 18 wheeler caught at a RR crossing in Tupelo, MS I saw maybe 6-8 railroad prison cars go by in the middle of the freight cars. Now what do we need prison rail cars for? They were completely unmarked and appeared to be 3 levels tall. So I says to myself maybe there is something going on I need to know about and maybe some of these conspiracy theories are not all BS as we are being told. It's getting hard to believe my lying eyes and what my government is telling me, and of course the FEMA conspiracies, all this stuff tends to run together in a slurry that confuses one somewhat.Fema camps aren't a myth but they aren't what you are implying. They are mostly set up in old army camp and stocked with food in strategic areas in case of national emergencies.
waiting until something happens would be a nightmare to get shelter up and running during an emergency. The conspiracy is part of many right wing conspiracies to cause fear for some perverted reason by the right.
waiting until something happens would be a nightmare to get shelter up and running during an emergency. The conspiracy is part of many right wing conspiracies to cause fear for some perverted reason by the right.
Oct 12, 2015 22:22:09 #
Yankee Clipper wrote:
b I don't know that FEMA camps are as innocuous ... (show quote)
I don't what the future holds. At least not how things will happen or when. But I do know human nature. It does not bode well for our future.
Oct 12, 2015 22:30:33 #
TroubleshooterTim
Loc: People's Republic of Oregon
glen10 wrote:
To bmac 32 If the SS Administration didn't invest in Government Treasure bills. The safest way to invest SS money. the alternative would be the stock market. That might generate more return but not as secure. When the Government sells Treasure bills the money goes into the general fund. where else would it go. Many people describes it as IOU's. In a sense that is what it is on any investment.
And, then they spent all the SS money. And at the bottom of the matrix here you will find our Unfunded Liabilities is now over 98 Trillion dollars that we don't have.
http://usdebtclock.org/
Oct 12, 2015 23:17:36 #
Yankee clipper
Is this the up to date conspiracy where as in the 90s? It was the unmarked black helicopters flying around the US?
When I was younger I used to get all up in arms about this kind of stuff, until I realized it was just that, stuff. People out of power use alarmist methods to try and make us think the bogeyman is coming. Both sides do it when the other side has power. If 1/2 of what the liberals told us about Bush taking away our freedoms had happened, Obama would never have been elected.
Scare me with real possibilities, like my SS check not showing up, then I will get concerned.
The prison car conspiracy gave me a good laugh. But it is sad to see such balderdash on Portland indymedia.
This nonsense appeared a while ago saying the same thing. I sent my cousin a copy of your post plus a couple more I come up with, he worked at Gunderson Inc for many years, so let's get a few facts straight.
One he said we haven't built boxcars for a few years now in Portland. They are made down in Mexico; we only build container cars these days.
The 'shackles' are dimples which are with a small piece of metal going across which is used for tying goods down.
Think about it, why would you bother putting prisoners in shackles anyway. The Nazis in
Germany just herded people onto a box car at the point of a gun, and then shut the door. It's hard to cut through steel with your finger nails.
And they could just use the containers if they wanted to transport prisoners, like they have used in Afghanistan and Iraq.
And who the hell is Brent Gunderson? Gunderson has been owned by Greenbrier since around 1985. There is no 'Brent' or any other Gunderson on the board at Greenbrier.
And 'three tier' boxcars? What on earth is this person going on about?
I can only imagine this person is talking about the automax which transports cars.
The funniest thing is a 'guillotine.' What kind of a guillotine are we talking about? And just what are they going to use this for? If they are going to execute people why go to all this bother?
20,000 Chinese boxcars/containers? Very probable they are stacked up because when goods are imported in them, it is cheaper to scrap the containers than send them back empty.
AH, that's it! We are all going to be shipped off to China in these containers. Well at least George Bush doesn't live there.
Come on folks lets get serious about things, enough of these stupid posts. He said we have a battle to win. The one at Gunderson isn't shackled boxcars, but wages, jobs, pensions, vacation, etc.
Is this the up to date conspiracy where as in the 90s? It was the unmarked black helicopters flying around the US?
When I was younger I used to get all up in arms about this kind of stuff, until I realized it was just that, stuff. People out of power use alarmist methods to try and make us think the bogeyman is coming. Both sides do it when the other side has power. If 1/2 of what the liberals told us about Bush taking away our freedoms had happened, Obama would never have been elected.
Scare me with real possibilities, like my SS check not showing up, then I will get concerned.
The prison car conspiracy gave me a good laugh. But it is sad to see such balderdash on Portland indymedia.
This nonsense appeared a while ago saying the same thing. I sent my cousin a copy of your post plus a couple more I come up with, he worked at Gunderson Inc for many years, so let's get a few facts straight.
One he said we haven't built boxcars for a few years now in Portland. They are made down in Mexico; we only build container cars these days.
The 'shackles' are dimples which are with a small piece of metal going across which is used for tying goods down.
Think about it, why would you bother putting prisoners in shackles anyway. The Nazis in
Germany just herded people onto a box car at the point of a gun, and then shut the door. It's hard to cut through steel with your finger nails.
And they could just use the containers if they wanted to transport prisoners, like they have used in Afghanistan and Iraq.
And who the hell is Brent Gunderson? Gunderson has been owned by Greenbrier since around 1985. There is no 'Brent' or any other Gunderson on the board at Greenbrier.
And 'three tier' boxcars? What on earth is this person going on about?
I can only imagine this person is talking about the automax which transports cars.
The funniest thing is a 'guillotine.' What kind of a guillotine are we talking about? And just what are they going to use this for? If they are going to execute people why go to all this bother?
20,000 Chinese boxcars/containers? Very probable they are stacked up because when goods are imported in them, it is cheaper to scrap the containers than send them back empty.
AH, that's it! We are all going to be shipped off to China in these containers. Well at least George Bush doesn't live there.
Come on folks lets get serious about things, enough of these stupid posts. He said we have a battle to win. The one at Gunderson isn't shackled boxcars, but wages, jobs, pensions, vacation, etc.
Oct 12, 2015 23:37:39 #
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