Were min-nukes used to take down the Twin Towers? (Page 25): turdnest: Here is the answer to your query: Kenneth Feinberg was in charge of selling the money to the victim's families.

Jean Deaux

turdnest: Here is the answer to your query: Kenneth Feinberg was in charge of selling the money to the victim's families. Some like the "Jersey Girls" wouldn't accept the money and went on to shame Bush into the sham non-investigation. Jon Gold was put in charge of chaperoning the victim's wives who wouldn't take the bribe.
The wives were fooled by Gold because he was big in the Truth Movement. Gold's real work in the truth movement was to sabotage it. Gold was a website designer and was in on the 9/11 Truth and 9/11 blogger sites from the beginning. Gold was against using the controlled demolition and no plane hit the pentagon evidence. He did much more damage to the Truth Movement than most people know.
Kenneth Feinberg surfaced again as the paymaster to the victims of the BP oil spills. That is the pay-refuser, of course.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Jean Deaux wrote:

Blade Runner: First my compliments. A response with no profanity and using reason are really welcome. Kudos on a well done. I must however, take exception to some of your arguments.

You state that in spite of video proofs, no truths have been tested. I don't understand. To me, the truth rests in the wreckage of the building, collapsed on the ground. I see that as corroborating the videos of the take down. Right or did I miss something? The proof of the pudding is the eating.

First of all, unless you are an engineer or scientist who was actually there and investigating the wreckage, there is no way you can see the "proof in the pudding." Obviously, you are seeing what the conspirators want you to see. Much of which is 3rd, 4th, 5th and up to who the hell knows what generation of manufactured or manipulated evidence. Either that or you are seeing only what you want to see. Or a combination of both.

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I must admit there is conflicting data and contradictory evidence but I believe that is inevitable in view of the enormity of the event. Also, much effort has been made to cloud the events, to the detriment of the public and truth. The real NWO perpetrators should be brought to justice along with their local political stooges, but I think you will agree with me that that will probably never happen. Way too many BIG names and reputations on the line.

It baffles many of us why it is so difficult for people who have fallen for the conspiracy hype to accept the actual history of bin Laden's plan for a worldwide Jihad. The documentation of this overwhelms all the conspiracy theories combined.

The evolution of bin Laden's worldwide Jihad began a couple decades before 9/11. The founding of Al Qaeda dates back to the Russian invasion of A-stan in the 1970s, and in 1996, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed first presented the idea for the September 11 plot to bin Laden in Afghanistan. The evolution of this plan included recruitment, training, logistics, financing, coordination, communication, and strategy for the 9/11 attacks. In any criminal court of law, premeditation always carries more weight than post facto evidence. Every criminologist knows how easily post facto evidence can be corrupted, manipulated, even fabricated. But premeditated plans, which include admissions of guilt--or in this case, outright celebration of responsibility--are difficult, even impossible, to refute, or ignore.

The totality of 9/11 conspiracies is based solely on post facto "evidence." The real conspiracy belongs to bin Laden, Sheikh Mohammed, and all the Al Qaeda membership involved, and it is the only conspiracy with a payday.

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I submit there is no experiential relevance since there has never been a similar incident. What could be relevant to these collapses? There have, of course, been other demolitions destroying buildings, but nothing on the scale of the destruction involved here.

I have neither the time nor is there space here to get into the fallacy of comparing the entirely innovative and unique design, architecture, engineering, and construction of what became the tallest high rises in the world at the time. The architect himself said the design was unprecedented, that no buildings like the WTC towers had ever before been conceived and built. And, the idea of an intentional attack with jetliners on the towers never entered his mind. He did consider the possibility of an accident involving an aircraft, but given that the WTC was located in highly controlled airspace, he felt the possibility quite remote.

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As you know, empirical adequacy is based on practi... (show quote)

You cannot pick and chose which element of a sequential test for truth is valid or which ones you can dismiss. Logical consistency, empirical adequacy, and experiential relevance are just what they imply--a logical sequence to establishing the truth. These should be self-explanatory. 9/11 conspiracy theorists have failed to apply this test. Like the AGW hoax, the 9/11 conspiracies are a jumble of fabricated "evidence" manipulated facts, and outright lies driven by an ideological agenda.

Airforceone

Jean Deaux wrote:

turdnest: We don't need comprehensive immigration reform. That is a rumor created by the democrats in an ill thought out attempt at gaining more votes on top of the other scams they use and falsely elevating the hopes of the illegal (what part of illegal don't you understand?) wannabes.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with our immigration policies: they have worked ever since the founding of our Republic. Learn our language, have a job waiting, have no diseases, get a sponsor to show you around and explain our ways, etc. Suddenly, that is too burdensome for the newly impatient and they want immediate access. They bring ignorance, disease, crime, and constant demands for the good life our ancestors worked and sweated for as well as defended in our military. Taking jobs from our own unemployed seems to be fair play. The devil you say!

Our ancestors contributed! The current bottom feeders don't want anything but immediate money, medical care, educational services, welfare, etc and more than a few are rapists, murderers, thieves, drug dealers, you name it. They disrespect our flag, our police, and our way of life. Frankly, I don't owe them a damn thing starting with sympathy and certainly none of my tax money used to buy their votes. Build a fence, enforce it and then vomit the 12 or 13 million back across the border. How they get back to their country of origin is their problem, not ours. We owe them nothing and the countries from which they came should be charged for any and all benefits they received while here. Including all costs of incarceration. If they don't want to break up their families, go back home and raise those families there.

If they want to immigrate legally, welcome, as almost all Americans have traditionally been. Go to the end of the line of all those who have been waiting to enter legally. But this outburst of impatience is completely and totally illegal and must be stopped.

If you feel very strongly about it, become a sponsor and help one come in legally. Other than that, forget it: it is not their land of milk and honey to share but rather one that European Caucasians developed into the greatest country in the world through brilliance and hard work. DO you understand that???

turdnest: We don't need comprehensive immigration... (show quote)

I have no problem with your post and yes we need to enforce our existing laws your 100% correct . I appreciate your detailed post. But what the new comprehensive immigration bill addressed was problems that have come up over the last 50 years. So let's address existing laws.

No corporations is to hire any person who enters this country illegally or the corporation will be subject to heavy fines. Great law if Mexicans cannot get work they stay where they are. But this country has no way of monitoring corporations on illegal hiring. The new bill addressed the e-varify system for corporations to check for illegals applying for these jobs with phony SS numbers.

We have a drug culture in this country that have created an avenue to bring drugs into this country. Over the last 50 years illegal crossings have increased over 2000% but we do not have enough boarder agents or updated technology to stop it. The new bill addressed this problem and added technology, more boarder agents. I wish you would read the bill it's amazing what was passed in the Senate.

Now let's address the Reagan bill of illegals obtaining a temporary VISA to enter this country to pick our fruits, and vegetables a great idea but no laws were in inacted to monitor these people who were to be in this country for. 6 months but never went back.

Now these same people have been in this country for 35 or 40 years they married American women and had children. How can we now determine who is legal who is not legal the new bill addresses this.

I could go on and on I just wanted to show a few examples. If you could please take the time to read the new comprehensive immigration bill it will give you a great idea as to what is needed to shut down that border, address the illegals that are in this country now, it is very extensive but will give you an idea of what's actually needed to stop the immigration problem.

We have many immigration laws on the books but no way to enforce or to stop it, or identify who is legal. I went on the SS site and found that SS collects approximately $12 billion in SS funds from illegals with phony SS numbers we know where they are but no way to go after them.

payne1000

Blade_Runner wrote:

You cannot pick and chose which element of a seque... (show quote)

You seem to forget that the theory you are defending is a conspiracy theory. No . . . the Bush administration never did come up with that white paper Colin Powell promised newsman Tim Russert which was supposed to prove that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda pulled off the attacks. The conspiracy theory that you are defending is so ridiculous it ranks as high comedy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

Jean Deaux

Blade_Runner wrote:

You cannot pick and chose which element of a seque... (show quote)

You have explained your view but I must take exception to virtually your whole argument. As i said, we'll probably do best to agree to disagree.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

payne1000 wrote:

You seem to forget that the theory you are defending is a conspiracy theory. No . . . the Bush administration never did come up with that white paper Colin Powell promised newsman Tim Russert which was supposed to prove that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda pulled off the attacks. The conspiracy theory that you are defending is so ridiculous it ranks as high comedy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98

P.T. Barnum once said, "there's a sucker born every minute." I hope you are enjoying the hook and worm. Why don't you just hang out with the other bottom feeders at democraticunderground?

Colin Powell's "white paper" is totally irrelevant. It too is a post facto opinion that has nothing to do with the factual history of bin Laden's worldwide Jihad, and Sheikh Mohammed's successful plan.

payne1000

Blade_Runner wrote:

P.T. Barnum once said, "there's a sucker born every minute." I hope you are enjoying the hook and worm. Why don't you just hang out with the other bottom feeders at democraticunderground?

Colin Powell's "white paper" is totally irrelevant. It too is a post facto opinion that has nothing to do with the factual history of bin Laden's worldwide Jihad, and Sheikh Mohammed's successful plan.

Face it, BD. You bought the most ridiculous conspiracy theory that has ever been foisted on mankind. It takes a special kind of ignorance to be that gullible. I'm guessing you live in Florida or Mississippi where your type of ignorance is inbred.

MS. FACTUAL

The one sad part about the guesswork was mini nukes used. Stop to think one moment. Radioactivity. For many many years the radioactivity would have those New Yorker's glowing in the dark! You could not withstand being near ground zero for decades without being fried.

Is it not sad all on it's own that this happened? That such destruction took place at all?

payne1000

MS. FACTUAL wrote:

The one sad part about the guesswork was mini nukes used. Stop to think one moment. Radioactivity. For many many years the radioactivity would have those New Yorker's glowing in the dark! You could not withstand being near ground zero for decades without being fried.

Is it not sad all on it's own that this happened? That such destruction took place at all?

Read the article. It explains about the radiation.

payne1000

fiatlux wrote:

Profoundly idiotic. What ilk of brain finds this of any use? Oh, sorry, I am on line for a lobotomy. Please proceed.

What type of explosives do you think brought the Towers down?
If you agree with the official conspiracy theory and say that normal office fires brought them down, then you are revealing who the real idiot is.

emarine

Jean Deaux wrote:

emarine: There were, in fact, many people who heard the explosions; most were firemen and police as indicated by the records they left. And the squibs could be seen exploding in the videos as each activated a charge.

Very true Jean... there were hundreds of people who heard all different types of explosions from small fire crackers to large blasts... no doubt about it... but consider this... there were tons of highly combustible supply's in those buildings, gasoline from parked cars, propane tanks for fork lifts, oxygen bottles, cutting torches, and huge step up transformers in many locations ... have you ever herd the blast from a small 35kw transformer close to a house? Lots of compressed gas bottles don't like extreme heat ... I heard the 911 tapes and did hear blasts,,, but I can honestly say not in the same manor as all the controlled demos I've watched and I have see many at this point...

emarine

payne1000 wrote:

Why then didn't all the steel-framed buildings which burned much hotter and many times longer than the buildings on 9/11, collapse in their own footprints like a controlled demolition?

Maybe because they all didn't get hit from a loaded 767 and they appear to be full frame buildings?

beammeupscotty Loc: 31°07'50.8"N 87°27'00.8"W

payne1000 wrote:

If you'd use your real name, as I do, we'd know what to call you.

Gee, use my real name on an anonymous forum. Gosh, why didn't i think of that!! It makes perfect sense, especially coming from someone who doesn't understand the context of a simple sentence.

beammeupscotty Loc: 31°07'50.8"N 87°27'00.8"W

Jean Deaux wrote:

beammeupscotty: Would you settle for corporal? Just trying to be funny. no insult intended.

No offense taken. I picked that moniker because of the rest of the statement, you know, " no intelligent life down here". Well by gosh, how supprised i was to find so many people of supposedly fair intelligence that can't understand the context of such a simple sentence " beam ME up Scotty". Only about 10% call me " ol' beammeup"........ the rest "Scotty"......LOL....sorry, i laugh everytime i think about it.

I don't care what people call me ( officially, I'm a merchant marine captain, retired). Just don't try to insult my intelligence.

BTW, no one has ever figured out that i'm " the captain"....lol.

beammeupscotty Loc: 31°07'50.8"N 87°27'00.8"W

emarine wrote:

Maybe because they all didn't get hit from a loaded 767 and they appear to be full frame buildings?

Attention deficit?........ Alzheimer's?........ dementia? Maybe just convenient omission of facts not to his liking.

Ah...i'm just being mean......maybe he watched that one video that he posted to many times, you know, the one of the seemingly endless loop of the collapse after it had started..... that's it....he just forgot about the planes.