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Sep 15, 2015 00:24:32   #
Airforceone
 
payne1000 wrote:
David Koch lives in New York City.


Found it there Corporate office is in Kansas.

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Sep 15, 2015 00:39:27   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Jean Deaux wrote:
Payne 1000. You are absolutely correct, kerosene does not melt steel. Period!! It had nothing to do with the collapse other than to act as a ruse for the gullible, running around loose without their keepers while exposing themselves to the MSM news, sympathetic primarily to the NWO moguls.

I have seen my share of kerosene fires but never one that generated molten steel that stayed in that molten state for 6 weeks. The only thing that could have done that was a mini or tactical nuke, which can have their explosive power adjusted. Thermite and thermate were used on some of the structural members and were certainly involved but were not completely responsible for the tower take downs.

Demolition take downs are unique. They take a great deal of skill to make them have a building fall into its own footprint. They require precise shearing of structural members All five trade center buildings fit the pattern of a skilled demolition take down.

How many of your critics were aware that besides the towers, and Bldg seven there were two other buildings that were also destroyed? Or the fact that millions of dollars of gold and silver bullion were stolen from the CEMEX vaults in the basement of building 7.

Also never explained was the fact that the two "tower" (UAL flt 175 and AA flt 11) airliners had landed in Cleveland previously and had their passengers moved to AA flt 77 AND UAL flt 93. Or the fact that the two airliners that hit the tower were radio controlled by a "master" aircraft (757-767 class) in the general vicinity. Or the fact that the airliner that crashed in PA had no wreckage: govt explanation was that it "vaporized" when it crashed. Physics experts have calculated that for vaporization, the airliner would have been going over 6000 mph. Or the fact that one of the few bits of wreckage found at the Pentagon was an engine turbine wheel that fit a USAF AGM-86 cruise missile.

The biggest problem is the fact that most Americans expose themselves only to the MSM and its fabrications and outright lies. Far too many of our countrymen have been raised as mushrooms; kept in the dark and fed B/S. CIA and Mossad specialists were responsible for wiring the buildings, so give up on the theory that it was a bunch of radical, wild-eyed arabs that carried it out or were even involved. More mushroom food.
Payne 1000. You are absolutely correct, kerosene ... (show quote)
OMG! Another sucker. "CIA and Mossad specialists wired the buildings"? "radio controlled airplanes"? "mini-nukes"? "Space aliens"? "Plasma cannons"? What's next? EMP bursts? Or how about a f*cking asteroid?

Holy sh!t, you fools will believe anything. This is one of most ignorant "explanations" I've ever heard.

That sh!t pain1000 is spewing must be contagious. Fortunately, I was immunized. During my career as a professional firefighter, I've seen my share of fires also. I've also seen the remains of an aircraft (twin turbine) that impacted the ground at a 30 degree vertical angle and going about 230mph. Not much left.

Occam's Razor, baby!

Debunking 9/11 conspiracy websites Includes thorough exposure of fraud where computer modeling and video game technology created fake videos.

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Sep 15, 2015 00:40:53   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
payne1000 wrote:
How can there be a "textbook pancake collapse" when that has never before happened in the 100-year-history of skyscrapers?

As far as structural steel collapsing from fire, many buildings have burned for much longer--one for over 20 hours while being completely consumed in flames. All remained standing.

WTC7 was not hit by a plane and sustained only minor damage from exploding debris from the closest tower.


You show a picture of a building on fire at night. You also ask how this had not happened before so it cannot be true?

The one building on fire at night..hit by a few large passenger jets?

You ever notice firing a rifle during daylight? You do not see any flame out of the barrel or what is called Muzzle Blast. At night it is clear and comes out the end of the rifle maybe a half foot or more.


Something else you may need to think about. Fires are like finger prints. No two fires are the same.

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Sep 15, 2015 00:44:52   #
beammeupscotty Loc: 31°07'50.8"N 87°27'00.8"W
 
Jeffhunter wrote:
It sure looks like an explosion to me.


This is better video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMZ-nkYr46w&feature=youtube_gdata_player

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Sep 15, 2015 00:48:25   #
emarine
 
America Only wrote:
You show a picture of a building on fire at night. You also ask how this had not happened before so it cannot be true?

The one building on fire at night..hit by a few large passenger jets?

You ever notice firing a rifle during daylight? You do not see any flame out of the barrel or what is called Muzzle Blast. At night it is clear and comes out the end of the rifle maybe a half foot or more.


Something else you may need to think about. Fires are like finger prints. No two fires are the same.
You show a picture of a building on fire at night.... (show quote)




Some cool footage...enjoy... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eem7d58gjno&spfreload=10

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Sep 15, 2015 01:00:53   #
Jean Deaux
 
Grugore; au contraire mon ami. It was a combination of explosive devices that ranged from thermite and thermate to mini nukes, which can have their destructive power customized. New developments happen much more quickly than you might imagine and there are persons and agencies that take advantage of those changes. It is inappropriate to state that such and such can't or doesn't happen. Perhaps in my mind and yours, but that doesn't mean much. For example, did you know that the Russians have a torpedo that runs at 200 knots in a cocoon of air? Who'd a thunk

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Sep 15, 2015 01:20:12   #
Jean Deaux
 
I didn't say, "Not much left", I said vaporized which is what the government said. That means no engines, wheels, seats, passengers or their parts, luggage, empennage, nothing but a smoking hole. Zero, zip, nada, whatever. Independent physicists made the determination that for the aircraft to have been totally vaporized, it would have had to have been moving at 6000+ mph. I suspect that you are one of those very smart individuals that doesn't want to be bothered by facts since you know them all. Good for you. Continue to stumble down the path of wisdom but watch out for the cliff at the end. Its not the fall that hurts, its that sudden stop!

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Sep 15, 2015 01:24:08   #
Jean Deaux
 
I'll bet your idea of fire fighting was peeing on the blaze. And nobody mentioned half of the lunatic rantings that really set you apart as an opinionated jerk who likes nothing more than to babble. Enjoy! It's apparently all you have.

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Sep 15, 2015 01:38:17   #
Scoop Henderson Loc: The Rez, (I am from Egypt)
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Structural steel loses 50% of its strength at 1100F. Only the Internal columns of the WTC towers were the heavy support columns.

You guys who believe this conspiracy, whatever you think it may be, are totally braindead.


Indeed there is a conspiracy until the molten metal is acknowledged.

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Sep 15, 2015 02:07:11   #
Jean Deaux
 
Blade Runner, You wouldn't know a sucker if you married an octopus so pipe down. Yes, the buildings were wired by the CIA and Mossad specialists. Why is that so hard to understand?

And yes, radio controlled airplanes. Similar to today's drones. I don't know if you ever heard of the incident involving Pakistan's President, Zia al Huq and a half dozen US generals who were going to take an aerial tour. The aircraft entered its take-off routine and when the pilot pulled back on the controls, a Russian van parked next to a hanger managed to hack into the control system and locked the controls. The bird made a gigantic loop and could not pull out, Killed all aboard. Radio control! They were using radio control back in WWII when Joe Kennedy's B17 was loaded with explosives and flown as a radio controlled explosive.

Occams razor be damned. Apparently you never heard of a conspiracy orchestrated by NWO moguls. Guess who gave the marching orders to put the scheme into effect? Done as a false flag attempt to blame the Arabs and grant us access to the Iraqi petroleum resources and to defeat one of Israels ancient enemies on our dime and blood. Perhaps it was so obvious that it escaped your scrutiny. That is why they used American and Israeli explosives experts: they had experience in demolishing buildings in urban settings.

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Sep 15, 2015 02:19:49   #
Jean Deaux
 
MsFactual. Sorry to spoil your day, but nukes were, in fact, used. Your idea of a nuke is probably the classic, gigantic mushroom cloud, miles and miles of utter destruction and intense radioactivity. That was then. Back in the 60's, they developed a means of tailor making nuclear yields and they were able to reduce the violence involved in the explosion; the better to use it in a tactical battlefield environment. You could call in a nuke strike on an enemy in close contact and wipe him out without whacking yourself. It also, in 1967, adapted itself to a wider range of tasks, among them destroying buildings

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Sep 15, 2015 02:34:56   #
Jean Deaux
 
Actually Payne 1000 is a superb patriot, not at all sympathetic with Moslems. He has an unusual knowledge of what transpired in the 9-11 incident and should be commended, not vilified

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Sep 15, 2015 03:17:32   #
jets04
 
Nano-thermite. At ground zero wreckage a fireman is standing next to a girder that looks like a 45 degree side-sliding-cut was melted out by thermite laiden shaped charges that must be place throughout the towers precisely with floor support columns just kind-of stagger-cut their way down. Metal debris were trapezoidal in shape (just my theory). A lot of work. Phew! Makes one wonder if a no-bid contract for the job was awarded to . . .

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Google search these keywords in images: 911 fireman wreckage girder cut

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Sep 15, 2015 03:18:01   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Jean Deaux wrote:
MsFactual. Sorry to spoil your day, but nukes were, in fact, used. Your idea of a nuke is probably the classic, gigantic mushroom cloud, miles and miles of utter destruction and intense radioactivity. That was then. Back in the 60's, they developed a means of tailor making nuclear yields and they were able to reduce the violence involved in the explosion; the better to use it in a tactical battlefield environment. You could call in a nuke strike on an enemy in close contact and wipe him out without whacking yourself. It also, in 1967, adapted itself to a wider range of tasks, among them destroying buildings
MsFactual. Sorry to spoil your day, but nukes wer... (show quote)
If someone poured cyanide on your Cornflakes and told you it was milk, you'd eat it.

At the first nanocecond of a nuclear detonation, regardless of the weapon's yield, the temperature is 100,000,000 degrees Celsius and it decreases as the reaction progresses. But still, the temperature would be in extremely high range for many seconds. Any idea what that would have done to steel, glass, plastic, wood, paper, carpets, concrete, people? Moreover, even laboratory experiments to test reaction criticality produces lethal gamma radiation. There was absolutely no such radiation detected at WTC, no human, living or dead, suffered radiation exposure, not during the event nor for anytime after. There was no radioactive fall out, which even a "mini-nuke" would have created.

WTF is the matter with you? Good grief. I didn't think it possible that a human being could survive without a brain.

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Sep 15, 2015 03:23:03   #
MS. FACTUAL
 
Jean Deaux wrote:
Actually Payne 1000 is a superb patriot, not at all sympathetic with Moslems. He has an unusual knowledge of what transpired in the 9-11 incident and should be commended, not vilified


No. I sure cannot agree with that statement at all.

If you review what Payne1000 has posted, he seems to do nothing but cheer for the Muslim and is not any where near supporting the United States of America.

I think you need to read all of his post before you make the statement you have made.

You could be a close friend or relative he has posting here?

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