payne1000

Not going to let you weasel out of your stupid mistake that easily.

George Washington, the blogger, does not do satire.
Check out his opinion of Zionism. http://citizensamericaparty.org/americanfreedom.htm

GW posted this T-shirt worn by Israeli Defense Forces:

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

No doubt it is too much to ask that you make a decision on what exactly you think is happening in those photos you post. I'm certain it is beyond your ability to do so. You're all over the map.

In this photo, the "explosions" are described as "pyroclastic plumes". That dog don't hunt.

Pyroclastic flows (pyroclastic density currents) are the result of volcanic eruptions. They are fast-moving currents of hot gas and volcanic matter, which reach speeds moving away from a volcano of up to 700 km/h (450 mph). The gases can reach temperatures of about 1,000 °C (1,830 °F). Pyroclastic flows normally touch the ground and hurtle downhill, or spread laterally under gravity. Their speed depends upon the density of the current, the volcanic output rate, and the gradient of the slope. They are a common and devastating result of certain explosive eruptions.

The kinetic energy of the moving cloud will flatten trees and buildings in their path. The hot gases and high speed make them particularly lethal, as they will incinerate living organisms instantaneously:

If the dust, debris and gases resulting from tower collapse were pyroclastic, then we are talking about a cloud of extremely hot dust and debris that would have killed a lot more of the people who were exposed to it. Everyone in the vicinity, if not killed, would have suffered serious burns.

On August 24, 79 AD, the cities of Pompeii and Herculaneum, Italy, for example, were engulfed by pyroclastic surges which killed thousands.

Here is why there is no evidence of high explosive detonations in the photos you post:

In the study of weapons, a low explosive burns, but a high explosive detonates-a very different phenomenon. An initial shock compresses a high-explosive material, heating it and causing chemical decomposition. The formation of chemical products releases enormous amounts of energy in just billionths of a second. This process sustains the shock wave, which travels at supersonic velocity. All of this happens almost instantaneously to produce a blast of rapidly expanding hot gases.

In the brief instant of a high-explosive detonation, some remarkable events take place: the shock wave produces pressure up to 500,000 times that of Earth's atmosphere, the detonation wave travels as fast as 10 kilometers per second, temperatures can soar to 5,500 kelvins, and power approaches 20 billion watts per square centimeter.

IOW, if "powerful explosives" were detonating in the towers, we would see visible evidence of high velocity shock waves. And, although the temperatures associated with "powerful explosive" detonations can reach extreme temperatures, due to the high velocities involved, this heat dissipates rapidly. In addition, a recent reevaluation of seismic data recorded on 9/11 has eliminated the anomaly (time errors) that set truthers to believing explosive detonations were recorded BEFORE the aircraft struck the towers. Moreover, the seismic data recorded during tower collapses do not show the hard spike associated with the detonation of an explosive.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

So, it is OK with you that "George Washington" does not reveal his true identity. Why then are you accepting this blogger as a credible source while at the same time condemning all others who stick with user names?

I doubt very much the members of the IDF are wearing that T-shirt. Obviously, the shirt is another way to propagate hatred of Israel. You Nazis are truly despicable human beings.

payne1000

The same force which produces pyroclastic plumes in volcanoes produced the pyroclastic-like plumes on 9/11. That force is, of course, explosions. You say there was no heat in those clouds. What do you think set all those cars you mentioned on fire? The explosive used to bring down the towers was a new formula of thermite which doesn't produce the type shock waves you describe. It's also not as loud as conventional explosives.
" At LLNL, government scientists have learned how to combine the exothermic power of the thermite reaction with organic moieties to produce a thermite reaction that can do pressure/volume work (i.e. turn massive quantities of concrete and other building materials into dust). From the research of Steven Jones, we know that the thermite reaction likely played a role in bringing the towers down, and it would not be surprising if technology developed by LLNL was involved." http://911blogger.com/node/5272

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I think I have said this at least a dozen times: You really should stay on course, you're wandering around lost in a jungle of conflicting and contradictory theories.

Was it powerful explosives or was it thermite? If it was thermite, then you have just debunked your theory of explosives blowing the towers apart, launching huge amounts of debris hundreds of yards from the buildings, and creating "pyroclastic plumes".

The discharge of a thermite device cannot be compared in any way to the detonation of compound explosives. They are not even close. Yet, when you post your "smoking gun, you claim you see the detonations of "powerful explosives". Now, you've changed boats in mid-stream and are suggesting thermite did it. Not only that, it is a new kind of thermite. How new is this? When did LLNL develop this NEW thermite (sol-gel) technology?

Let's try this: Thermite is NOT AN EXPLOSIVE.

Mark Loizeaux, Chief of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (in their own words - the greatest contr. demo. company worldwide) said: "Nanothermite does not exist. It's just a technology from 'phantasy land'. If it would exist - i would know it!"

In responce to the above comment by Mark Loizeaux saying nano-thermite does not exist.
1. It was still very new.
2. Thermite, thermate or nano thermite is not likely to be used in controlled demolitions so as he is a controlled demolitions expert he could also not have heard of it.
3. He might also not have heard about it because of myths associated to its properties. Nano thermite does not explode, nano thermite is not an explosive. Nano thermite's uses are as an incendiary or as some kind of match to trigger an actual explosive. Nothing about controlled demolition, nothing about as an explosive, nothing about its steel melting properties, nothing about using it in paint.

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emarine

With thermites 4000*F temps why was 2200*F the hottest infrared Temp recorded on 911?... again you're out in the woods on pyroclastic flow... to cut steel with explosives you get shock waves or your not exploding anything... speed is speed & pressure is pressure... thermite cutting steel would produce a bright light like electric welding... none of this bright light was observed on 911 or any explosive flashes... your argument was weak to start with & getting worse with time...

Ve'hoe

what is it, you are doing?????

payne1000

Mark Loizeaux's firm was hired by the government to take down the remains of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City and bury the evidence. His firm was also involved in the cleanup at WTC.
Mark Loizeaux would say anything the perps instructed him to say.
There is another very suspicious Controlled Demolition expert which I turned up while researching Loizeaux.
Turner Construction supervised the controlled demolition of the Kingdome in Seattle.
Turner Construction did extensive renovation to the three WTC Towers before they came down on 9/11.
Turner Construction also was hired to help with the hasty removal of the steel from the towers.
The president of Turner Construction, Tom Leppert, had close ties to George W. Bush.
Bush appointed Leppert to his President's Commission on White House Fellows.
It was the least Bush could do for a man who had helped so much to make Bush's illegal wars possible.
https://books.google.com/books?id=uny_wo4jvNQC&pg=PA3&lpg=PA3&dq=kingdome+seattle+thermite&source=bl&ots=t48L81-eDd&sig=Wwgsn89YDRxB4B75AYkmSb_X8fo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiN5fCM6YrTAhUBqSwKHUMVC5QQ6AEIQTAI#v=onepage&q=kingdome%20seattle%20thermite&f=false

payne1000

A new version of thermite has been developed which has enough explosive power to turn concrete to dust.
" At LLNL, government scientists have learned how to combine the exothermic power of the thermite reaction with organic moieties to produce a thermite reaction that can do pressure/volume work (i.e. turn massive quantities of concrete and other building materials into dust) http://911blogger.com/node/5272

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ExplosiveThermite turning concrete to dust

payne1000

Thank you for showing interest.

S. Maturin

Classic.

"Looks like".

Lots of things 'look like' what they are not. Useful if one is grasping at straws in an attempt to prove something which one just cannot understand.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

In April, 2016, the LLNL presented its report on themite research at the 19th International Seminar New Trends in Research of Energetic Materials at Pardubice, Czech Republic. According to the LLNL paper on that seminar presentation, the research began in 1995 and, apparently, the research and testing in nano-thermite technology did not turn up a finished product overnight. As with all such scientific research, LLNL progressed through trial and error, new hypotheses were developed to overcome problems. In 2005, they encountered the Law of Diminishing Returns and had to change parameters. They began experimentation with particle size and other factors, they worked through it. Only recently (2016), through 3D printing, a team of scientists and engineers at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and Harvard University has found that the architecture can play a strong role in exerting more control over the energy release rate of reactive composites..

The research continues.

So, what this means is that the 9/11 blogger didn't do his homework and, like all 9/11 conspiracy loons, made some grandiose assumptions based on nothing more than wishful thinking. The "new version of thermite" (whatever it may one day be) has been in experimental and research mode for over a decade. It wasn't available on September 11. 2001. Moreover, the objective of this nano-thermite technology has nothing to do with cutting steel. Nano-thermite technology is primarily developed for military applications.

I must say, you conspiracy whackos change your story so often it is difficult to figure out just where the hell you are going, or where you are coming from.

Bombs going off all over south Manhattan before the sun came up on 9/11, bombs in the basements, bombs in the buildings, "powerful explosives" blowing up buildings, thermite charges cutting columns, "new versions of nano-thermites" blowing things to kingdom come, mini-nukes detonated in parking garages, tactical nukes, guided missiles flying all over the place, holographic images flying into the towers, radio controlled fuel tankers, jets with missile pods on the belly (which are actually the 767 landing gear pods), NO PLANES HIT THE TOWERS, passengers murdered in Cleveland, passengers shipped to an island in the south Pacific, faked phone calls from the planes and from the towers, faked radar returns, Bush did it, Israel did it, CIA did it, Mossad did it, little green men did it, yada, yada, yada . . . . .

If you 9/11 truther loons ever get your shit together and start marching to the same drum, please let us know so we can at least get an idea of just what in hell you are screaming about.

payne1000

Nothing else looks quite like explosions powerful enough to turn concrete to dust in midair.
I think you do understand that explosives took the towers down.
Like the other shills here, it's profitable for you to lie and attempt to cover up the truth.
Lying to defend mass murderers is a criminal act. What happens to you when the truth is known to the world?

payne1000

Do you think LLNL would admit they had developed a thermite capable of dropping the Twin Towers in less than 15 seconds?
Kevin Ryan, who reported on the new thermite at LLNL stands personally behind everything he reports by revealing his identity.
You stand steadfastly behind cowardly anonymity on everything you post here.
Who has credibility, and who doesn't, is a no-brainer.

Ve'hoe

they got you on thermite,,, goofball....