PeterS

Why do you guys care if the remaining insurance companies crash? These people are going to be kicked off their insurance anyway. Either way, anyone who can't afford their own insurance is screwed...

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Not gonna happen. If they don't put the parts in they promised.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I don't. Mine couldn't get worse. You don't pay for your own anyway loser.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

God you are impossibly stupid. Health insurance has never been a totally free market.

CounterRevolutionary

Peter, 1% of the population is so sick they cannot work or pay their own way. Yet these truly handicapped consume 25% of the health insurance market revenue. They need to be separated out of the private health insurance industry all together, placed on Medicaid welfare, which will be subsidized by a $10 billion dollar block grant to all the states from the federal government, no federal strings attached, so each state can best serve its welfare needs.

You cannot efficiently manage a nation of 320 million people on the Public Option or Universal Care. The bungling bureaucrats will bankrupt the nation out of sheer incompetence and corruption. "Welfare for the masses is the alibi of tyrants" quote Albert Camus.

CounterRevolutionary

Florio, because Justice Roberts defined Obamacare as a "tax, be it a poorly worded tax," this makes the ACA available to be picked apart piecemeal over time. Congress needs to do this "picking" methodically, but must make the first big step right now, and ram through as much reform as possible under the Reconciliation Act, thus tweaking the Appropriations Budget of last winter. Using the Reconciliation process only requires a 51% majority to pass tax bills through the Senate, but this budget business has to be done by April.

The 52 Republican Senators can then hammer the bill further and send it back to the House to be re-worked. Then it will be sent to the President for signing into law. Time is not on our side. We could lose the House and Senate in 2018 if we do not get busy and produce an acceptable bill by April. Separate bills can be passed later on for further tweaking. House Representative, Peter DeFazio, has an accompanying bill to enforce the anti-trust laws upon health insurance industries. That bill certainly should not be hard to pass.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

You are exactly right. Good luck explaining block grants to that blockhead.

CounterRevolutionary

Funny Florio, very funny.

PeterS

Mine is just fine so why is yours so bad?

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

The Ryan bill is junk politics.

I haven't read all of Paul's bill yet but what I've read is better than Ryan's. That still isn't saying much.

No matter what they pass, there are certain components that must be there but even then it will need to be adjusted repeatedly. It's near impossible to anticipate everything up front because there will always be cracks to fill as you go.

First, the bill must be written from the standpoint of the patient. If anyone else, insurance cos, Drs, pharma, hospitals, etc are the focus...the bill won't be worth the paper it's written on. It must be written to provide for and protect people.

With that said, in my opinion the best method would be for government to get out of healthcare and allow private enterprise to solve the problem. To do that a few things need to occur.
1. Rebuild Medicare
2 Allow interstate competition
3. Expand Medicaid.

If those criteria are met and all the anal obamacare regulations dropped, we would end up with a competitive market that would contain costs. It would allow people to shop around for coverage and people could decide how big a bang they want for their buck. I doubt many 70 year old men would opt for birth control or same age ladies opting for prostate exams.

I think this would be a great time to scrap HIPPA also. That wastes too much money and a ridiculous amount of Dr and staff time, and the hospital regs are ludicrous. Under HIPPA, hospital cast rooms are illegal for instance. Just nuts.

This is a great opportunity to overhaul the entire patient care industry especially pharma.

If you loan.a friend money and charge them 50% interest, you can be sued for usery, but pharma can make up to 1000--5000% markup on products and that's ok. We need change.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

I disagree. I think whatever is done must be done correctly. I believe the nearer the midterms the better because fewer people will be against it, and there will be people against it. The ACA failing is all on the left and Obama. Let it fail totally. Why bail Barry and the left out? Let people get good and boiled at them just in time to throw more of them out in the midterms.

I say do not rush and push through some jerk wad legislation. Take your time, think it through, write a plan to be proud of, or let the ACA die of its own accord and get the government out of healthcare and let private enterprise have it back. Other than some people not having coverage, it worked before, and expanding Medicaid covers those folks.

Above all, kill this idiot idea that everyone gets full coverage. That is what Barry did and that is what is wrong with the entire scenario. Health insurance is not a right, let alone everyone getting top dtawer full coverage.

PeterS

Good luck getting the conservatives in congress to put up 10 billion dollars for anything. And no, look for the chronically ill to stay in the public pool and I thought we all agreed that the part the bumbling bureaucrats were in charge of was going to collapse and since that part of the population was without insurance in the first place when this Obamacare thing started I don't see that it matters. They will live their lives as they did before--hoping not to get sick and if they do going to the ER where someone else will pick up the tab.

PeterS

And I don't think many thirty year olds are going to opt to pay for all the chronic ailments that a 70 year old has. I mean it's not fair that a youngster would have to pay higher premiums just so some old fart can pay less to be covered for a stroke, or a heart attack, or high blood pressure and hardening of the arteries, or the various cancers that they seem to be attracted to. Hell really, you could draw a line at 50 and older and put them in one group and everyone else in an other and that would be the fairest--that way young healthy people aren't responsible for paying for old sick people, am I right!!!

That would be the best--each segment of society paying for itself--and when you are young you can save up the money necessary to cover all the aliments that you are going to have when you are old. If you're lucky you will save enough to pay for everything and you might even leave a little for your kids in the end.

PeterS

How funny, you think a politician is going to do something correctly. First off I don't think a conservative has written a piece of legislation other than a tax cut in decades. They are woefully under qualified for the job. The only thing a conservative politician is qualified for is taking apart government not putting together the biggest piece of legislation ever to come out of the halls of congress. No, you guys are better off just letting it all collapse and blaming democrats for the mayhem that follows. After all if democrats hadn't put all these people on the insurance rolls they wouldn't be losing it now. I'm sure they will understand that it's not your fault--if the democrats hadn't fuked with everything there would have been fewer people insured and the only ones losing it now would be the poor which is how it should be as they are a burden on everyone anyone, correct...

jim keris

That's ok. Just do nothing and let the whole mess implode on its own. then you'll see what Obama care is all about!