Big Bass

Dyslexic? Or, in your case, Lysdexic? It is spelt "obumbum". Got it? BTW: I'm not embarrassed in the slightest. However, I do find 99%+ of all your posts absurd at best, downright puerile at worst. But it keeps me amused, as there is so little entertainment on TV these days. Keep up your pathetic mind-games.

Ranger7374 Loc: Arizona, 40 miles from the border in the DMZ

When a Republican is under the gun, the Democrats put the cart before the horse; no justice here, just speculation.
When a Democrat is under the gun, the Republicans release the horse; no justice here, just more conspiracy theories.

No proof of collusion has been found, however, a Watergate scandal is developing as I write this. Now, what we do know is this:

#1. Surveillance was done on the Trump Campaign.

#2. Surveillance was done legally, that is gathering information about foreign nationals(the Russian Probe)

#3. Surveillance was done incidentally on American citizens. Procedures are clear when this intelligence is gathered. The American citizen's privacy, based upon the 1973 Privacy Act must be upheld.

#4. Certain persons being under Surveillance, were "unmasked". This included General Flynn, an American Citizen.

#5. Most of the intelligence, if not all of it, that was collected by the Surveillance had nothing to do with foreign nationals, and the leaks were used for political reasons.

Now, Pete, and the rest of you, before you start arguing back and forth on who should go to jail, Obama or Trump, we must follow the facts here. Remember the "rule of Law", and the "Law" itself. The Law is clear on this, any intelligence gathered on an American citizen, that is incidental because the American just happens to be present when the foreign person is communicating, and intelligence is being gathered, the intelligence is confidential and cannot by Law be leaked, or released to the public. Since, the intelligence gathered had nothing to do with the collusion between the foreign persons, and the American citizens, but rather was an eve's dropping incident, for the purpose of political reasons, the authorities at the time broke the law. Then further broke the law when they unmasked, the subjects.

The question here is, Who authorized the unmasking, of these subjects of the intelligence gathered for political reasons?

This is the question that needs to be answered.

When concerning the pompous ass, Donald Trump, all of us here, who preaches "fairness" must embrace a true fact. Donald Trump is a lot of things but one thing he is not is a politician. It has been a long time since we have had a president who is not a politician. Since Donald Trump, love him--hate him, since he has been president, he has tried to keep his word. That should be acknowledged. No man will be perfect in the job he has to do. Sound familiar, many said to me back in '14 give Obama a chance. Well I did and by July of '14 I was calling for his impeachment. Obamacare, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, ISIS, and the deserter that was traded for terrorists, were some of the failures of the Obama Administration. These failures led to a distrust of the people to the Federal Government. No law should be blanketed that all states must follow when concerning social issues. But what must be followed is the rule of Law. There is a difference.

There is no evidence suggesting that Donald Trump ever engaged in an act of treason.
There was evidence to suggest that Obama, Bill Clinton and Hilary Clinton did engage in treason. Most of this evidence was dismissed due to the circumstantial evidence.
Same was held true for the Reagan and Bush, and Bush Jr, administrations. But Donald Trump has not been in long enough to do any action.

There is however evidence, that Donald Trump is not a traitor, the executive order concerning immigration is an example. Donald Trump pushed for the banning of enemies of the United States from entering into the country under the disguise of being an immigrant. Legal immigrants are always welcome into this country, but illegal immigrants have always been discouraged. There is cause for this discouragement. This is an act of not only duty, but also of patriotism.

If you are of the mind to stop once and for all discrimination, and racism or any other ism, you must practice what you preach. I have seen very threatening words against Trump without proper evidence. I think Trump is a pompous asshole, personally, however being an asshole is not illegal or traitorous. But let's face it, if you want to be fair, look at the forum in which we write, how many of us are pompous assholes.

Now, present evidence that can be verified and is concrete evidence rather than arguing in fear. That is a major problem with this forum, is that we rely on the media for our facts. We have condemned all media outlets, as if we the people don't trust the media. That is fine, I don't trust the media, whether it is Fox News, CNN, ABC, NBC, or CBS since all these networks could not announce the president in November of 2000, let alone today.

However, some reporters in the Press do, do good fact reporting. We, the people, have got to stop attacking Trump for a bit. If Trump is as bad as our friends on the Left suggest it will be shown in time. If Trump is as good as our friends on the right suggest, it will be shown in time. But I think Trump is just a common man, just like you and me. He will fail in somethings, and in some issues, but will succeed in other things and issues. Be patient. Too many people are jumping the gun. Let's watch how it plays out then let's judge. I say, as I'm trying to be fair, its too early to tell.

Do we have a deal?

Glaucon

I sense a lot of confusion, frustration, hate, and rage in your post, but absolutely no information or thought. Try thinking and getting some information, it won't hurt as much as you fear. Perhaps the only thing you need is to have your Depends changed.

Big Bass

I'm afraid the confusion is on you. Here again, you prove your inability to understand the basics of human emotion. There's no hate, or malice in my posts - just facts and pity. You misconstrue so much and this explains your love of the loony-left.

Glaucon

I understand.

Roseland Loc: Florida

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No Trump will never go to prison. But Obama will! He might just as well go home to Kenya his birth country.

Big Bass

Good!

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

A truly good post ranger..

I would be a very great improvment if we could do this.. But I fear emotiion get in the way of logical acts..

That said, you think in a very positive way... Thanks...

Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts

I'm so glad you read Ranger's post, he said a lot of what I was trying to convey to you in our earlier discussion on your thread.

Great post, Ranger!!! 👍👍👍

straightUp Loc: California

LOL - He won't make a second term. Of course I said he wouldn't get elected in 2016 either but even Trump thought he was going to loose. 2016 was a historic upset that shocked the whole world. Expecting him to win in 2020 is like expecting to be struck by lighting a second time. I'd say the chances of the Democrats gaining control of the House in 2020 is way higher and if that happens we can certainly expect an impeachment. It's what the Democrats want and with Trump the legal case would be VERY easy to make.

Worried for our children Loc: Massachusetts

Lmao... you must have some inside information that the democrats don't even have. If you don't mind humoring me for a minute... who are the democrats going to run in 2020? Right now, they don't even know.

Democrats gaining the house in 2020... that's funny! Are you at all familiar with the fact that they've lost over a thousand government seats since 2010? That's a lot of ground to make up, especially since they continue in the exact opposite direction of the way you think they're heading.

son of witless

There are no proven treasonous acts. All the media has is speculation. You have even less than that. All you have is wishful thinking.

straightUp Loc: California

Just trying to follow along with what you're saying here... So far it makes sense, except... saying that Trump is not a politician is a bit ridiculous. By definition, anyone who deals with policy in a democratic system is a politician. In simple terms, there is no such thing as an American president who isn't a politician and Trump became a politician the moment he was sworn into office. Perhaps you mean to say he is not an experienced politician but I would argue that too. As a businessman he has a long history of hobnobbing with local and state level governments to influence their policies so they benefit his business, even to the extent of leveraging government to force people off their property (eminent domain) so he can build on their land.

The only other reason why anyone would say he is NOT a politician is to appeal to the negative emotional perspective simple folks have on the professions that influence their world, like politicians and lawyers and sometimes doctors.



I will agree with you here. Although Trump has yet to actually deliver on any of his headline promises, he is at least trying. Of course it wouldn't be so difficult for him if he didn't make such stupid promises to start with, like "making the Mexicans pay for the wall".



First of all, there are rules about what politicians can be impeached for. It's not just "Oh, I don't like what he did so let's impeach him." Secondly, ISIS was created out of the Bush disaster and so was Benghazi. The case of ISIS is pretty simple... Bush sent troops to Iraq to kick a nation that was already down and replace their government with a puppet regime. Not surprisingly that caused blow back. At first we just called the blow-back the "insurgency" but as it turns out they were the forerunners of ISIS itself.

As for Benghazi, that was a direct result of the Bush legacy... too many wars and not enough funding. Obama and Clinton both tried, repeatedly, to get Republicans in Congress to increase funding for the protection of diplomatic missions in Libya and the Republicans refused... They were refusing EVERYTHING Obama asked for, that was just... their thing. But if the House Republicans weren't being childish idiots, those Americans in Benghazi would be alive today.

In any case, none of the events you've listed can legally justify an impeachment. They are just unfortunate events that you like to blame Obama for. Trump, on the other hand has already crossed legal lines that make him impeachable and he's only been in office for two months. For instance, when he sat at a crowded dinner and ordered an attack on Yemen with his side of potatoes he forgot to check the international agreements on the conduct of war. It turns out his attack violated terms that the U.S. ratified and under the U.S. Constitution an international agreement ratified by the U.S. is to be considered "the law of the land". So he violated the U.S.Constitution. That makes him impeachable and that's just ONE of MANY examples.


People were already distrustful of the Federal Government. That's pretty much been a constant going all the way back to the 1789. What you are noticing is that the conservatives who turned a blind eye to Bush suddenly found a president that they didn't mind bashing.


Not yet... The jury is still out on that one. Consorting with foreign powers to influence an election IS considered a form a treason.



The CASE was dismissed because there WAS no evidence.


Aside from commanding an illegal attack in Yemen and issuing executive orders that have been deemed unconstitutional. Not bad for two months.



There is NOTHING patriotic about what Trump did or what your are saying. Trump's original order was NOT focused on illegal immigrants, it was focused on religious groups which is a direct violation of the 1st Amendment. I work with a lot of perfectly legal immigrants (H1B Visas and Green Cards) who were immediately threatened by Trumps order. Thank GOD, we have decent judges that stopped the bullshit. Those who support his immigration policy are nothing more than cowards who are scared of foreigners. I guess that makes you a coward hiding behind a macho avatar.


So in other words, you trust the media too and like most people here you are saying the same damned thing... "I trust that one, not that one." Yeah, that's really convincing.


Oh, the hypocrisy... For 8 years you people were attacking Obama... swearing he isn't a legitimate president and now that Trump in in office you think people should give a president a chance.


Again, just taking the rare opportunity to agree with you.


Well, I don't know about you but I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I had to work to pay my own way through college and I had to work to pay for my first house. I always thought THAT was the common experience among Americans.


I don't need to make a deal with you to maintain my own practice of waiting for evidence and rulings... For instance, you won't find any posts from me that accuse Trump of doing things that haven't been proved, but most of what people attack Trump for are his declared intentions. For instance, what proof do we have to wait for to accuse him of wanting to build a wall?

To be honest, I don't care that he's a pompous asshole... that's not the problem I have with him. The problem I have with him lies in his stated intentions and the actions he has so far taken which clearly violate the laws and the spirit of a nation that was a LOT greater 3 months ago.

Proudemocrat Loc: To your left.

Well, we aren't that quick about getting things like that done, but I'm hoping it will all be done by...August or September of this year. Could be wrong, but hoping my guess is at least close.

Glaucon

Insane