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Feb 28, 2017 21:49:06   #
Winona Whyner Loc: aspen, co
 
Loki wrote:
I hope I am included in the sensible section. There are advantages to being a potty mouth; think of how clean your mouth is after all that soap.


Ha, my mom did that! Old Irish and German heritage, a tradition. We had Ivory Soap, thank God, not so bad, lol. For my brothers, I mean. Not that adorable me ever tasted it.

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Feb 28, 2017 22:12:54   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
payne1000 wrote:
You've given America Only an intelligent answer.
That's not what he wanted.
He wanted you to say you hate liberals as much as he does.
Unless you're a total psychopath, you will never please AO.


You got a nerve to call someone else a psychopath after the crap you have put up,get a grip.

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Feb 28, 2017 22:14:32   #
Winona Whyner Loc: aspen, co
 
eden wrote:
No please don't shut up now or anytime. It's refreshing and welcome to see a call for balance and a cessation of tribal political warfare, a little humanity and planet patriotism is sorely needed on this site. As you have already seen there are some who troll this board bent on dogmatic mischief to the point of intimidation but ignore them and be your most noble self.
Welcome.


Wow, eden, thank you. Being welcomed has become a big deal to me. As to being my "most noble self," hard to respond.

While chewing off my fingernails and a few of my fingers waiting for a response to my introduction, I did some quick cruising of blogs. Not quite sure yet what a troll truly is but did see some very "passionate" posts. And not sure yet if being "dogmatic" is necessarily "mischief." Yet I think I know what you mean. My question to you, if you would help me, is defining "troll." I got this from the internet: "According to a definition by Princeton, Internet trolls are individuals who purposely post inflammatory, off topic or extraneous posts on websites in an effort to stir up drama or harass other members." The problem I have with that definition is the word "inflammatory." If I am passionate about some point, and state it plainly, it can be taken as "inflammatory" to those passionately against it, while my intention is only to be clear about what I believe. I will add that any insulting, personal attacks, on a poster has to be considered troll-like, being "off-topic" and "extraneous." Then again, other than personal attacks and insults, some seemingly "off-topic" and "extraneous" points may be pertinent. It will take me some time to sort it out but any clarification you can give me will be appreciated. My idea now on the topic is just ignore them.

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Feb 28, 2017 22:55:51   #
Winona Whyner Loc: aspen, co
 
MarvinSussman wrote:
Maybe you could think about the following as a way to unite our nation:

What’s Wrong with this Logic?

To be fully prepared for war, we need the most extensive and the most advanced infrastructure, which includes our armed forces and their arsenals. It also includes all supporting civil structures and institutions: everything that is not private property.

To efficiently organize the process of building and maintaining infrastructure, each state should keep a registry of every item of existing or planned public property. Such a registry should include each item’s requirements, estimated work schedules and costs, impacts, permits, qualified contractors, contracts ready for signature, etc. In short, make each project “shovel-ready”.

While the purchasing power of a state government is limited by its tax revenue, the purchasing power of Congress is limited only by the onset of harmful inflation. Therefore, Congress should pay for all infrastructure projects, either existing or planned in agreement with Congress and the Administration. The states know their needs and, when a project is properly proposed, approved, contracted, and scheduled, Congress should write the checks.

If necessary to ensure an adequate labor supply, immigration should be encouraged. To ensure staff stability when unemployment rates are near zero, employers should include loyalty incentives in their employment contracts.

Serious faults in our infrastructure are indicated by the fact that over 75% of all applicants for military service are now rejected for deficiencies in either health or education. To ensure an adequate supply of citizens able to serve in our armed forces, Congress should also finance free health care for all and free education for all at all levels of learning,
Serious faults in our infrastructure are indicated by the fact that over 75% of all applicants for military service are now rejected for deficiencies in either health or education. To ensure an adequate supply of citizens able to serve in our armed forces, Congress should also finance free health care for all and free education for all at all levels of learning, from day-care to PhD. Everyone should have an expense-paid education either before or after military service.
. Everyone should have an expense-paid education either before or after military service.

Nothing is wrong with this logic.

© 2017 Marvin Sussman, All rights reserved.
Maybe you could think about the following as a way... (show quote)


Hmmmm.... Way above my clearance level as Blonde. There is a memory from Civics class that it was Eisenhower that used federal money to build our highway infrastructure and helped move our economy into global dominance, something states could not afford. Then there are the great projects, like the Hoover Dam, that were beyond the means of any state. Which seems to portend that to really address this nation's infrastructure, the Federal government is needed. As to the rest, I will just guess.

The armed forces are not directly a part of our infrastructure. If there is a domestic need for armed forces, that infrastructure of bridges, highways and whatever need to be maintained and improved by a cooperation between states and the federal government.

I feel fairly certain a registry of public land for each state is a no-brainer. For any developments or improvements of public land, being "shovel-ready" perhaps should be a standard yet without the money assured for that development or improvement, even getting a cost assessment would be imprudent.

"While the purchasing power of a state government is limited by its tax revenue": not really. Several states to my understanding take more from the federal government than give, so their purchasing power is not limited to state tax revenue.

"[T]he purchasing power of Congress is limited only by the onset of harmful inflation." no clue what that means.

Congress should help subsidize infrastructure projects where needed, or write a check when it is clearly shown a state cannot support it. Making them more fiscally responsible for the maintenance of their state could be placed in a Congressional Overview Committee for a period of, say, five years. Have them answer for where they spend tax revenue. Call it "Waste Control."

Immigrants should be welcomed, if they assimilate. Like slavery in the South, use of immigrant manpower by agriculture as a necessity for survival I feel is bogus; it is just for greater profits.

"Serious faults in our infrastructure are indicated by the fact that over 75% of all applicants for military service are now rejected for deficiencies in either health or education. To ensure an adequate supply of citizens able to serve in our armed forces, Congress should also finance free health care for all and free education for all at all levels of learning, from day-care to PhD. Everyone should have an expense-paid education either before or after military service."
This seems a specious argument. It is not about infrastructure but, if true, deficiencies in other areas. Free education from day-care to Phd? Needs work.

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Feb 28, 2017 23:10:39   #
Winona Whyner Loc: aspen, co
 
Hemiman wrote:
Hi Winona and welcome unless you are a liberal well I will leave it there for now but I keep getting flashes of liberals burning in the pits of hell for eternity plus one day.


I know. It is that extra day that really burns. Got your bags packed igniting in flames next to you at the end of never-ending and the gate closes. Harsh. I would hope that intelligent communication was not solely based on party affiliation. This is America. We are allowed differences of opinion and to speak our mind. No side has all the right answers. If you happen to flag me as liberal, is the conversation over? Thank you for the welcome and hope we remain friends.

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Feb 28, 2017 23:27:52   #
Winona Whyner Loc: aspen, co
 
slatten49 wrote:
Relatively few fall into any group of profanity-laced commenters. A note...Mark Twain is attributed to stating that "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief denied even to prayer."

One simply adapts to gleaning the good/worthy of what is presented by whom on OPP...and, toss the rest.

Welcome aboard, Winona.
Relatively few fall into any group of profanity-la... (show quote)


Thank you, Slatten49, for your welcome; another wise voice. On your caution by Mark Twain, I have to agree and add that I never liked the Twelve Step associated saying of "Take what you like and leave the rest." Judging profanity and closing my ears to that voice because I do not like it may be the worst thing for me. Besides, I always took what I liked--yet it was "the rest" that I fell helped save me. What I don't like or accept is often diagnostic of where I need to improve or grow. My life shows that the worst can be the best. Or I hope so. Looking forward to your voice. And I will have to add that all this attention has me a tad giddy. Never thought I would get one post.

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Feb 28, 2017 23:28:44   #
Winona Whyner Loc: aspen, co
 
pappadeux wrote:
Welcome to the club....
Welcome to the club.... img src="https://static.o... (show quote)


Me? Thank you.

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Feb 28, 2017 23:32:03   #
RETW Loc: Washington
 
Winona Whyner wrote:
I am an 80s kid. Grew up privileged. Skiing was pretty much my life. Politics was all about whether to allow snowboarders or not: what else could possibly matter? I might even have found it tough to name the president. Then I had a horrific accident on the slopes five years ago. In a coma for almost three months and woke up with partial paralysis to my right side. I did not take it well--and finally got the moniker of "Winona Whyner" (my first name is Winona) after months of non-stop complaining and self-pity. But the accident was a good thing, well, eventually. It took a year, or more like two, I guess, before I came to accept my fate and began to move on. If not for family and friends that never deserted me but never got out of my face about my 'complaining and self-pity,' I would not have the wonderful life I have today. I want to give life as it was unselfishly given to me. The reason I am here is to try and inject hope into our politics in this country. After my injuries and slow recovery, I finally began to notice how divided our nation was, and it was not all about snowboards or skis. Impossible to say now if I may make a difference, but I am here to try. I use these pictures of when I was younger as a symbol of my knowledge on politics.
I am an 80s kid. Grew up privileged. Skiing was pr... (show quote)




Welcome aboard young lady.

It is always a pleasure to hear from some one new. It was nice learning the story of your travels getting here. And I am grateful that you chose to be with us. I look forward to seeing your posts
and your thoughts put to print . Good luck and again, welcome aboard.


RETW




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Feb 28, 2017 23:44:15   #
Winona Whyner Loc: aspen, co
 
payne1000 wrote:
You've given America Only an intelligent answer.
That's not what he wanted.
He wanted you to say you hate liberals as much as he does.
Unless you're a total psychopath, you will never please AO.


Do not know him that well yet. Will wait and see. But the "awful" extreme can be helpful. And I find any label extreme, be it Liberal or Conservative, at least for now. Do not understand their functionality in debating anything. It seems very odd. Proudly announcing one is pre-disposed, biased, or prejudiced to think a certain way on particular subjects appears self-insulting to me. If I did not know that you were a "flaming liberal" and America Only the opposite, both your comments would be afforded the same consideration (minus the insults). Like Slatten49 said in his Mark Twain quote, sometimes inflammatory language needs an ear and not a reaction.

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Feb 28, 2017 23:54:09   #
Winona Whyner Loc: aspen, co
 
reconreb wrote:
Welcome ma'am , being positive in your endeavor's is perhaps the most important step when awakened by the reality of the world , it can be and is brutal .
Applying positive goals will keep those shinning little eyes youthful throughout life .
Semper FI !!


Sorry, this is becoming overwhelming. Thank you so much. Never expected this. Good observation: it was brutal. Devastating, it leveled my entire existence--Thank God! Would right now be on twitter dissing my competition in the downhill next weekend and feeling righteous about it. reconnreb, I hope joining OPP is one of those "positive goals" you mentioned. We will see. Thank you for your service and welcome home. (Have to assume a Marine war vet. You got that tone...and the Sember Fi.)

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Mar 1, 2017 00:10:40   #
Winona Whyner Loc: aspen, co
 
bahmer wrote:
Welcome aboard and at age 74 I am even more concerns for my children and my grandchildren. I thought a business man who had worked for a living might just be able to straighten this mess out might be the best bet. Also he was a natural born citizen where as Cruz and Rubio were not.


Have to say again this incredible welcome I am getting it hard to deal with. Thank you. Trump, in my novice opinion, was needed. America needed a wake-up call. An in your face response to business as usual. Break the riles. Turn the media on its head. Like throwing cold water on your face upon first awakening: who likes that? But again, I do not know enough about the intricacies of government or the presidency. I read how terrible he is for many of his Executive Orders but even after the press explains, I remain clueless if anything wrong actually happened. OPP is school. I will learn. bahmer, you seem like a truly concerned patriot as well as a good person. America comes first, right? No matter what? The America enshrined in the Constitution, I mean. Liberty for all and justice for the common good. To me, that's our fight.

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Mar 1, 2017 00:11:54   #
Winona Whyner Loc: aspen, co
 
boatbob2 wrote:
Beautiful Baby.


Yes, I was truly adorable. Thank you.

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Mar 1, 2017 00:18:11   #
Winona Whyner Loc: aspen, co
 
jer48 wrote:
first thing you might want to do is learn as much about the constitution as you can and don't let anyone take that away from you at least that will be a good start


No matter how much I may think I know about the Constitution, I will never know enough. Could never confidently argue for or refute any Constitutional challenge. Will try to educate myself on this matter, as you suggested, but will ultimately rely on sources.

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Mar 1, 2017 00:23:25   #
Winona Whyner Loc: aspen, co
 
jer48 wrote:
A little girl leaning into the lion's cage. Suddenly, the lion grabs her by the collar of her jacket and tries to pull her inside to slaughter her, under the eyes of her screaming parents.


The biker jumps off his Harley, runs to the cage and hits the lion square on the nose with a powerful punch. Whimpering from the pain the lion jumps back letting go of the girl, and the biker brings the girl to her terrified parents, who thank him endlessly.


A reporter has watched the whole event. The reporter addressing the Harley rider says, 'Sir, this was the most gallant and bravest thing I've seen a man do in my whole life.'


The Harley rider replies, 'Why, it was nothing, really. The lion was behind bars. I just saw this little kid in danger, and acted as I felt right.'
The reporter says, 'Well, I'll make sure this won't go unnoticed. I'm a journalist, you know, and tomorrow's paper will have this story on the front page. So, what do you do for a living, and what political affiliation do you have?'


The biker replies "I'm a U.S. Marine, a Republican and I voted for Trump".


The journalist leaves. The following morning the biker buys the paper to see if it indeed brings news of his actions, and reads, on the front page:


** U.S. MARINE ASSAULTS AFRICAN IMMIGRANT & STEALS HIS LUNCH. **


And THAT pretty much sums up the media's approach to the news these days.


Can't laugh much as it's not that far from the truth.. 😯
A little girl leaning into the lion's cage. Sudden... (show quote)


Very funny, but why was that marine so cruel? Just kidding and I get your point. Spin. The pen is more powerful than the sword.

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Mar 1, 2017 00:31:00   #
Winona Whyner Loc: aspen, co
 
JW wrote:
Not blonde at all but overlooking the methodology of power. What you express in general is an ideal that remains utterly impotent. Like it or not, to be effective requires power and that requires agreement en masse and that requires compromise. Everyone must ultimately pick a side, even if not in full agreement with it.


What the methodology of power overlooks is a still, quiet voice. I am not saying that voice is mine but Gandhi and Kings had it. They were not impotent. Power gets its energy and prowess from fear. Be fearless and it dies. Control is lost. Civil disobedience does not choose a side; it is centered in justice. There is no enemy, no us and them.

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