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Feb 26, 2017 13:05:05   #
Homestead
 
lpnmajor wrote:
There is a difference between an autocratic Government and a totalitarian Government, sometimes that line is blurred, but knowing the proper definitions can help one differentiate between them. So, to help folks make that call, here are the definitions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism

In almost every known case of these types of "governance", the justification presented is "for the good of the people". Isn't it amazing how often that rationale is used to justify completely selfish actions? A Government "of the people, by the people and for the people", should never be subjected to partisan censorship, ideological restrictions, or monetary blackmail, yet we've seen these types of action for decades if not centuries. The Federal Government, no matter it's partisan makeup, is responsible to ALL Americans, not just those of the ruling party or those that voted for the "winners", but we have let that slide over the years, until what we see now doesn't even pretend to acknowledge such a concept.

It matters not a wit by how large a margin someone wins whatever office he or she has, because the responsibilities are the same. One could win by a single vote - and STILL be responsible to those that didn't vote for them. A "representative Government" means exactly that, with the caveat that those representatives must represent ALL of their constituents, not just those of their own party or those that voted for them, yet we have accepted the opposite as the norm. We keep hearing the words "unconstitutional" and "Constitutional authority" and such, but no one considers the ENTIRE Constitution when spouting such things, nor do those hanging on every word. As in the case of the Bible, reading previous or following passages/paragraphs, often undermines the concept that is being "sold" to the public. It is the responsibility of every citizen to know what their Constitution says - and doesn't say - and insist that their representatives adhere to it.

Any American Government, regardless of who or what party holds what office in it, must be responsible to all citizens, again, regardless of what party they do or do not belong to. It is unconstitutional, on it's face, to try and mold the entire country along partisan or ideological lines, yet we accept this as normal and if we ourselves are partisans - demand it. What happens to the voices of those from the "losing" party, and more importantly, those that are members of NO party? Their voices are ignored, and/or attempts made to silence them, calling them "activist's" and such. The Government of the United States of America belongs to each and every citizen equally, from whom it derives it's power and authority, that is indeed what the Constitution says. That document does NOT say that the Government belongs to whatever party wins a majority in the Congress and/or the Presidency. The Constitution does NOT authorize whatever partisan platform or ideological principles of the "winner", to be enforced by Federal/State fiat - unless everyone agrees.

Cooperation and compromise are not optional political tools, they are a Constitutional MANDATE, therefor the law of the land. That is how a representative government ensures that they are representing ALL the citizens, including those that belong to neither major party. Neither democrats nor republicans even pay lip service to this mandate anymore, because we've gotten used to being ignored and TOLD what we will or will not believe, and what we will or will not do. Voting is a right - and - a responsibility. We vote for a person, we should not be voting for a party/ideology, or we are undermining our own Constitution and the rights it grants us.

We are rapidly approaching a totalitarian regime, the seeds of which were planted in 1864, when the republican party and the democratic party agreed to limit all political participation to their memberships alone. Don't believe me? That's fine, but if you look, even casually, you'll discover that such a thing is coming sooner than you think - it's here already.
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"Cooperation and compromise are not optional political tools, they are a Constitutional MANDATE, therefor the law of the land."


This statement alone tells me that you know nothing of what you're talking about.

Cooperation and compromise are not Constitutional mandates, they are the tools of fascism.

The era is in the 1930's, a discussion is before the board. There are to conflicting views and a decision must be made.

On the one side, we have a person that wants to extinguish the Jews. Everyone of them, not just limited to the ones that practice Judaism, but, anyone that even has genes that tie them to the race of Jews. They must all be extinguished from the earth, every last one.

On the other side of the argument we have people that say, killing is wrong. You have no right to kill anyone at all for such a ridiculous reason. Not one single person, not one!

So now you come into the room, with your ideas of Constitutional cooperation and compromise.

Your solution is to allow the killing of only six million Jews. That's cooperation and a compromise.

Hitler wants to kill all of the Jews. Every last one.

The world says no, not one.

So you say, only six million and that seems like a good compromise to you?

You see, it's not about cooperation or compromise.

It is about right or wrong, good or evil.

When faced with those choices, there is no cooperation or compromise, there is only standing strong and resolute.


There is another down side to your idea of required cooperation and compromise.

Once Hitler has killed the six million, he can then demand to kill off all the rest, as you have given him permission to kill the ones he has. So his right to kill has been affirmed by the cooperation a compromise that allowed him to do it in the first place.

So now again the discussion comes up before the board and again a decision has to be made as to whether or not all the Jews can be extinguished from this earth.

And again you step forward with your mandatory requirement of cooperation and compromise.

So again, Hitler is allowed to kill six million Jews, instead of all of them, as a compromise.

If cooperation and compromise is mandatory, then then the Jews can be compromised from this earth.

OUR CONSTITUTION ALLOWS FOR COOPERATION AND COMPROMISE.

IT DOES NOT, REQUIRE IT!

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Feb 26, 2017 13:15:26   #
okie don
 
She needs 2 lrn code & hw 2 communicate more easily.
Like in code in military- Ahr= another

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Feb 26, 2017 13:16:35   #
okie don
 
She likes to "Pick the fly specks out of the pepper".
Not picking I cal it.
Lrn 2 shortcut Fredsgirl.(:

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Feb 26, 2017 13:20:10   #
okie don
 
lindajoy wrote:
When we want a forum monitor for critiquing we'll hire one, until then your opinion is not solicited...

Loved it Linda.
Signed: one of Fredgir1's idiot 'deplorables'.
I ain't got no brain'

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Feb 26, 2017 13:22:01   #
okie don
 
missinglink wrote:
Dang Linda.
It's a shame we are not in the same room . If we were we
could employ our " Secret Pinky Anti Grammar Nazi Hand Shake ".


Loved the HALT cartoon.
Most appropriate link. Lol's

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Feb 26, 2017 14:02:17   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Big Bass wrote:
You are well-versed in this subject. Hmmmmm. BTW: The wall construction has been Ok'd.





True, but not financed...

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Feb 26, 2017 14:05:42   #
Big Bass
 
permafrost wrote:
True, but not financed...


That's next.

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Feb 26, 2017 14:18:07   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
okie don wrote:
Loved the HALT cartoon.
Most appropriate link. Lol's


Thank you Don / ASA All The Way .

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Feb 26, 2017 14:28:24   #
Homestead
 
permafrost wrote:
True, but not financed...


When the fence was approved in 2006, it came with financing.

After eight years of Obama, nobody knows what happened to those funds.

So Trump has to start from scratch.

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Feb 26, 2017 14:38:20   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Homestead wrote:
When the fence was approved in 2006, it came with financing.

After eight years of Obama, nobody knows what happened to those funds.

So Trump has to start from scratch.



Home,

That financing was for 700 miles of fence. We, over time now have 600 and something miles of fence. most of that in included in the information given to trump and to bidders on the wall. It is nearly all in need of replacement. Also it is a fence, not a wall.. Not going to be easy to get money for the wall. Congress in already looking at adding 10 trillion to the dept. with projections that do not include the wall..

trump does seem determined to do this, so perhaps it will get done somehow..

Be ready for a very shady interpretation of how and who pays for it..

Original funding for the fence did not cover the actual cost, which was far over budget..

Obama did not use any of that money for any purpose..

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Feb 26, 2017 14:38:29   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
lpnmajor wrote:
There is a difference between an autocratic Government and a totalitarian Government, sometimes that line is blurred, but knowing the proper definitions can help one differentiate between them. So, to help folks make that call, here are the definitions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism

In almost every known case of these types of "governance", the justification presented is "for the good of the people". Isn't it amazing how often that rationale is used to justify completely selfish actions? A Government "of the people, by the people and for the people", should never be subjected to partisan censorship, ideological restrictions, or monetary blackmail, yet we've seen these types of action for decades if not centuries. The Federal Government, no matter it's partisan makeup, is responsible to ALL Americans, not just those of the ruling party or those that voted for the "winners", but we have let that slide over the years, until what we see now doesn't even pretend to acknowledge such a concept.

It matters not a wit by how large a margin someone wins whatever office he or she has, because the responsibilities are the same. One could win by a single vote - and STILL be responsible to those that didn't vote for them. A "representative Government" means exactly that, with the caveat that those representatives must represent ALL of their constituents, not just those of their own party or those that voted for them, yet we have accepted the opposite as the norm. We keep hearing the words "unconstitutional" and "Constitutional authority" and such, but no one considers the ENTIRE Constitution when spouting such things, nor do those hanging on every word. As in the case of the Bible, reading previous or following passages/paragraphs, often undermines the concept that is being "sold" to the public. It is the responsibility of every citizen to know what their Constitution says - and doesn't say - and insist that their representatives adhere to it.

Any American Government, regardless of who or what party holds what office in it, must be responsible to all citizens, again, regardless of what party they do or do not belong to. It is unconstitutional, on it's face, to try and mold the entire country along partisan or ideological lines, yet we accept this as normal and if we ourselves are partisans - demand it. What happens to the voices of those from the "losing" party, and more importantly, those that are members of NO party? Their voices are ignored, and/or attempts made to silence them, calling them "activist's" and such. The Government of the United States of America belongs to each and every citizen equally, from whom it derives it's power and authority, that is indeed what the Constitution says. That document does NOT say that the Government belongs to whatever party wins a majority in the Congress and/or the Presidency. The Constitution does NOT authorize whatever partisan platform or ideological principles of the "winner", to be enforced by Federal/State fiat - unless everyone agrees.

Cooperation and compromise are not optional political tools, they are a Constitutional MANDATE, therefor the law of the land. That is how a representative government ensures that they are representing ALL the citizens, including those that belong to neither major party. Neither democrats nor republicans even pay lip service to this mandate anymore, because we've gotten used to being ignored and TOLD what we will or will not believe, and what we will or will not do. Voting is a right - and - a responsibility. We vote for a person, we should not be voting for a party/ideology, or we are undermining our own Constitution and the rights it grants us.

We are rapidly approaching a totalitarian regime, the seeds of which were planted in 1864, when the republican party and the democratic party agreed to limit all political participation to their memberships alone. Don't believe me? That's fine, but if you look, even casually, you'll discover that such a thing is coming sooner than you think - it's here already.
There is a difference between an autocratic Govern... (show quote)


doc
It's been here for a long time
Our politicians are interested in one thing(what's in it for me)
The Democratic Party and the Republican Party are just alike
As you said"vote for a person,not a party'
that is why I voted for Donald trump
I sincerely hope he can make America great again
gooo Trump
America first

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Feb 26, 2017 14:45:36   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
lindajoy wrote:
Yes he will and is!!! Love the pic and yes, added to my library files...
As for the past isn't it good it is now the past....
C'est la vie, mon amour!!

We are up and running !!


good morning lovely lady

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Feb 26, 2017 14:49:11   #
EL Loc: Massachusetts
 
fredsgirl1 wrote:
It's amazing the number of Trump supporters here have such poor command of the English language. They speak like Russians and spell like Russians that need to retake English 101. The upside is it's almost impossible for the educated American to make any sense of what they are saying.


We've gotten confused because of all the foreign languages around us.

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Feb 26, 2017 14:53:43   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
don't shoot her Linda
You have already knocked her down

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Feb 26, 2017 15:39:37   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
lpnmajor wrote:
There is a difference between an autocratic Government and a totalitarian Government, sometimes that line is blurred, but knowing the proper definitions can help one differentiate between them. So, to help folks make that call, here are the definitions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism

In almost every known case of these types of "governance", the justification presented is "for the good of the people". Isn't it amazing how often that rationale is used to justify completely selfish actions? A Government "of the people, by the people and for the people", should never be subjected to partisan censorship, ideological restrictions, or monetary blackmail, yet we've seen these types of action for decades if not centuries. The Federal Government, no matter it's partisan makeup, is responsible to ALL Americans, not just those of the ruling party or those that voted for the "winners", but we have let that slide over the years, until what we see now doesn't even pretend to acknowledge such a concept.

It matters not a wit by how large a margin someone wins whatever office he or she has, because the responsibilities are the same. One could win by a single vote - and STILL be responsible to those that didn't vote for them. A "representative Government" means exactly that, with the caveat that those representatives must represent ALL of their constituents, not just those of their own party or those that voted for them, yet we have accepted the opposite as the norm. We keep hearing the words "unconstitutional" and "Constitutional authority" and such, but no one considers the ENTIRE Constitution when spouting such things, nor do those hanging on every word. As in the case of the Bible, reading previous or following passages/paragraphs, often undermines the concept that is being "sold" to the public. It is the responsibility of every citizen to know what their Constitution says - and doesn't say - and insist that their representatives adhere to it.

Any American Government, regardless of who or what party holds what office in it, must be responsible to all citizens, again, regardless of what party they do or do not belong to. It is unconstitutional, on it's face, to try and mold the entire country along partisan or ideological lines, yet we accept this as normal and if we ourselves are partisans - demand it. What happens to the voices of those from the "losing" party, and more importantly, those that are members of NO party? Their voices are ignored, and/or attempts made to silence them, calling them "activist's" and such. The Government of the United States of America belongs to each and every citizen equally, from whom it derives it's power and authority, that is indeed what the Constitution says. That document does NOT say that the Government belongs to whatever party wins a majority in the Congress and/or the Presidency. The Constitution does NOT authorize whatever partisan platform or ideological principles of the "winner", to be enforced by Federal/State fiat - unless everyone agrees.

Cooperation and compromise are not optional political tools, they are a Constitutional MANDATE, therefor the law of the land. That is how a representative government ensures that they are representing ALL the citizens, including those that belong to neither major party. Neither democrats nor republicans even pay lip service to this mandate anymore, because we've gotten used to being ignored and TOLD what we will or will not believe, and what we will or will not do. Voting is a right - and - a responsibility. We vote for a person, we should not be voting for a party/ideology, or we are undermining our own Constitution and the rights it grants us.

We are rapidly approaching a totalitarian regime, the seeds of which were planted in 1864, when the republican party and the democratic party agreed to limit all political participation to their memberships alone. Don't believe me? That's fine, but if you look, even casually, you'll discover that such a thing is coming sooner than you think - it's here already.
There is a difference between an autocratic Govern... (show quote)


Pretty much sums up Obama's "for the good of the people" reign.

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