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Feb 22, 2017 11:29:00   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Obama did not deport more illegals using the same parameter's as what constituted a deportation before he was president. Most illegal aliens (before Trump) that were self deporting is because our economy sucked. Never said the Conservatives were looking out for the working man. However; I do believe the policies of true conservatism benefits the working man much more than the lefts share the wealth bullshit. NAFTA, Free Trade was not just a Republican endeavor. For a long time the consumer benefited greatly from these policies. Not so much any longer with the out sourcing of jobs. Trump is actually trying to even that field yet you don't like him or his policies. That seems contradictory to me. We could argue single payer all day long. Once again you opt for government over freedom. I personally don't think it would work in countries as large as ours without huge taxes. When government runs most of your economy you are no longer a Democratic Republic in my view. Clueless maybe not. You might be delusional.
working class stiff wrote:
Not clueless either.

Obama deported more illegal aliens than any of his predecessors.There are fewer illegal aliens here now than when he came into office as there has been a net outmigration. American workers have been competing with low wage immigrants since the 1950s and it was no worse under Obama. But the right also has us competing with low wage workers all around the world as capital has flown to China, Vietnam, Bangladesh, and various other countries. Free trade is (or was until Mr. Trump protested) a bedrock of conservative thinking and Nafta and the TPP were all pushed by Republicans. So forgive me if I don't buy the 'conservatives are looking out for the working guy' narrative

I also remember the bang up job on the economy the last right leaner (thank you oldroy) did. No help for the working class there. Fact is, working Americans have not shared in the nations increased wealth since the 1970s. That's where our real wages are stuck. The 'great recession' is also the reason for the increase in social welfare spending.

As for screwing up health care...yeah, I'm sure some folks did get screwed. It would have been cheaper and less complicated in the long run to just go to single payer. Instead we built a frankenstein trying to please everyone, and that includes insurance companies. You know, those companies paying their execs multi-million dollar bonuses while crying that the ACA is bankrupting them.

So no, clueless I'm not.
Not clueless either. br br Obama deported more i... (show quote)

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Feb 22, 2017 11:33:45   #
samtheyank
 
JFlorio wrote:
I don't get it. Trump beat a bunch of established politicians in the primary. Then he beat the ultimate establishment representative, Hillary Clinton. He beat Obama. How? By beating Hillary who promised us an extension of Obamas policies. He's now beating the corrupt press at their own game. Trump is doing exactly what he said he was going to do. You may not like it. Especially the liberal snowflakes but why are you shocked? Could it be we finally have a politician who is trying to do exactly what he said? I was never much of a Trump fan but become more of one everyday. The more I see the Fake press, far left groups, and liberal talking heads melt down the better conservatives look.
I don't get it. Trump beat a bunch of established ... (show quote)


The American People should have done this a long time ago. If they had, we would not be in the mess we are in now. I guess it is better late than never!

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Feb 22, 2017 11:35:57   #
HedgeHog
 
JFlorio wrote:
Obama did not deport more illegals using the same parameter's as what constituted a deportation before he was president. Most illegal aliens (before Trump) that were self deporting is because our economy sucked. Never said the Conservatives were looking out for the working man. However; I do believe the policies of true conservatism benefits the working man much more than the lefts share the wealth bullshit. NAFTA, Free Trade was not just a Republican endeavor. For a long time the consumer benefited greatly from these policies. Not so much any longer with the out sourcing of jobs. Trump is actually trying to even that field yet you don't like him or his policies. That seems contradictory to me. We could argue single payer all day long. Once again you opt for government over freedom. I personally don't think it would work in countries as large as ours without huge taxes. When government runs most of your economy you are no longer a Democratic Republic in my view. Clueless maybe not. You might be delusional.
Obama did not deport more illegals using the same ... (show quote)


You are no longer free, either.

Power becomes concentrated, and freedom vanishes.

May I remind you of the need for countervailing powers:

http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-23382-1.html

But apparently some so-called "Americans" would choose enslavement over freedom. If that's what they want, fine. The problem is when they choose enslavement, they are also enslaving ME! Not good.

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Feb 22, 2017 11:52:26   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
samtheyank wrote:
The American People should have done this a long time ago. If they had, we would not be in the mess we are in now. I guess it is better late than never!


It is always better late than never and hopefully we can now keep the momentum... Perhaps with President Trump we will.. He does not lay down and stands his ground whether liked or not... I happen to love that about him!!

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Feb 22, 2017 11:54:01   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
HedgeHog wrote:
You are no longer free, either.

Power becomes concentrated, and freedom vanishes.

May I remind you of the need for countervailing powers:

http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-23382-1.html

But apparently some so-called "Americans" would choose enslavement over freedom. If that's what they want, fine. The problem is when they choose enslavement, they are also enslaving ME! Not good.


Oh Bravo to you.. I'll be over to read your thread but must say I agree with you ~~

If that's what they want, fine. The problem is when they choose enslavement, they are also enslaving ME! Not good.[/quote]

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Feb 22, 2017 12:01:50   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JFlorio wrote:
Obama did not deport more illegals using the same parameter's as what constituted a deportation before he was president. Most illegal aliens (before Trump) that were self deporting is because our economy sucked. Never said the Conservatives were looking out for the working man. However; I do believe the policies of true conservatism benefits the working man much more than the lefts share the wealth bullshit. NAFTA, Free Trade was not just a Republican endeavor. For a long time the consumer benefited greatly from these policies. Not so much any longer with the out sourcing of jobs. Trump is actually trying to even that field yet you don't like him or his policies. That seems contradictory to me. We could argue single payer all day long. Once again you opt for government over freedom. I personally don't think it would work in countries as large as ours without huge taxes. When government runs most of your economy you are no longer a Democratic Republic in my view. Clueless maybe not. You might be delusional.
Obama did not deport more illegals using the same ... (show quote)


"Once again you opt for government over freedom"~~They fear having to succeed on their own.. They prefer the tidbits of government... Crucial to them that is all that matters..

It's nice to see the crowds of protesters have lost interest and many organizations are forming rallies I believe to counter the lies of the leftist lying media...

Trump has done more in trying to bring back Corporate America so we will once again have a thriving economy more than BO ever tried I'll tell you that!! Yet, these left wingetc don't want to work so they criticize Trump instead...

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Feb 22, 2017 12:11:58   #
samtheyank
 
lindajoy wrote:
It is always better late than never and hopefully we can now keep the momentum... Perhaps with President Trump we will.. He does not lay down and stands his ground whether liked or not... I happen to love that about him!!


I agree with you whole heartily. Trump is no pushover. The things he is doing should have been done a long time ago. Better now than later. You can blame most of these difficulties on that Sorry Ass Congress we have on the hill. We got to do it now or there will be dire consequences in the future. The American People have had enough.

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Feb 22, 2017 12:15:23   #
samtheyank
 
lindajoy wrote:
"Once again you opt for government over freedom"~~They fear having to succeed on their own.. They prefer the tidbits of government... Crucial to them that is all that matters..

It's nice to see the crowds of protesters have lost interest and many organizations are forming rallies I believe to counter the lies of the leftist lying media...

Trump has done more in trying to bring back Corporate America so we will once again have a thriving economy more than BO ever tried I'll tell you that!! Yet, these left wingetc don't want to work so they criticize Trump instead...
"Once again you opt for government over freed... (show quote)


Lindajoy,

Please forgive me for asking this question. Is that a real picture of you when you post things? If it is, you are one lovely looking lady. NICE! I hope I wasn't offensive.

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Feb 22, 2017 12:15:47   #
HedgeHog
 
samtheyank wrote:
I agree with you whole heartily. Trump is no pushover. The things he is doing should have been done a long time ago. Better now than later. You can blame most of these difficulties on that Sorry Ass Congress we have on the hill. We got to do it now or there will be dire consequences in the future. The American People have had enough.


What is completely insane, is that the media keep trying to convince Americans that it is not true that "The American People have had enough." That there really isn't unrest and dissatisfaction on the part of the majority of Americans.

America is not a democracy; it is a mediacracy; the press is running the country.

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Feb 22, 2017 12:17:00   #
HedgeHog
 
samtheyank wrote:
Lindajoy,

Please forgive me for asking this question. Is that a real picture of you when you post things. It it is, you are one lovely looking lady. NICE!


You ought to see her with her smokin' gun, sam!

I've been trying to get her to bring that one back.

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Feb 22, 2017 12:24:30   #
samtheyank
 
HedgeHog wrote:
What is completely insane, is that the media keep trying to convince Americans that it is not true that "The American People have had enough." That there really isn't unrest and dissatisfaction on the part of the majority of Americans.

America is not a democracy; it is a mediacracy; the press is running the country.


I am glad you think so. I don't agree. The MSM media no longer has crediability with the American People. Their last big hurrah was getting Obama elected as President He could do no wrong. Everytime he got caught with his pants down or made a mistake, they smoothed it over like icing on a cake. You see what we got for his eight years. Trump will have to clean up his mess and it will take awhile. It is one hell of a big mess.

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Feb 22, 2017 12:27:02   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
HedgeHog wrote:
What is completely insane, is that the media keep trying to convince Americans that it is not true that "The American People have had enough." That there really isn't unrest and dissatisfaction on the part of the majority of Americans.

America is not a democracy; it is a mediacracy; the press is running the country.


Hedgehog-Yes the left wing press has helped Obama push the country towards globalism but that is all about
to end. Trump will hold them accountable and America will once again regain its identity as a sovereign
country not to be tampered with by foreign entities. Trump will put America at the top of the list and you will
see a marked improvement within one year. The left is in a panic because they have nothing to offer except
antiquated, failed ideas/policies of the past. Ironically, they still fail to recognize why they lost. One has to be
a total ideologue or a complete numbskull not to have figured that one out. Their continued protests and destruction
of private property attests to the fact that they are indeed slow learners. The definition of Insanity is repeating the same mistakes while expecting different results. Fits the left nicely. America First !!!

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Feb 22, 2017 12:28:37   #
Big Bass
 
HedgeHog wrote:
What is completely insane, is that the media keep trying to convince Americans that it is not true that "The American People have had enough." That there really isn't unrest and dissatisfaction on the part of the majority of Americans.

America is not a democracy; it is a mediacracy; the press is running the country.


Liberal politicians are forever telling us that only they know what's good for us. The one thing they never need to add, but their adherents fall for it every time, is: " and you are all too stupid to know this." This is why supposedly intelligent academicians are communists. They live in the protective womb of academia, and they don't know how the real world works.
Trump represents the escape from this prison. He is working hard to endow America with the true human spirit. The propaganda media are working to stop him.

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Feb 22, 2017 12:28:39   #
samtheyank
 
Ricko wrote:
Hedgehog-Yes the left wing press has helped Obama push the country towards globalism but that is all about
to end. Trump will hold them accountable and America will once again regain its identity as a sovereign
country not to be tampered with by foreign entities. Trump will put America at the top of the list and you will
see a marked improvement within one year. The left is in a panic because they have nothing to offer except
antiquated, failed ideas/policies of the past. Ironically, they still fail to recognize why they lost. One has to be
a total ideologue or a complete numbskull not to have figured that one out. Their continued protests and destruction
of private property attests to the fact that they are indeed slow learners. The definition of Insanity is repeating the same mistakes while expecting different results. Fits the left nicely. America First !!!
Hedgehog-Yes the left wing press has helped Obama ... (show quote)


Well said my friend. I am glad we are on the same page.

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Feb 22, 2017 12:46:11   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Harpooner1 wrote:
Here is my analysis of the "Trump" phenomenon.......Most thought he was a joke....The media, the political establishment...
They thought he would just drop out after making bombastic displays.....He was clearly waylaid in the debates versus his Republican opponents...Yet, he stood his ground. Americans saw a difference in politicians and an outsider. They liked the difference. Americans had so little trust in the establishment GOP. We had seen 8 years of caving to Obama.
And, over the years, very flaccid candidates and weak organization. The media blasted Trump!
They NEVER expected him to win...Never. So, to give him the avenue to screw himself, they covered him like a blanket. Everything he did they wrote about and mocked him. But, they covered him. The media screwed themselves. If they had covered him less, it might have worked.....But, they are what they are.....Stupid.

So now Donald Trump wins! Now what do those the left do?

Well, they already had their plan....Hillary Clinton.

They, the DNC, had been successful with a two term Obama administration. I say successful in only the fact Obama was elected, as the Democrat party was decimated under his "leadership". But, a deal was made behind the scenes, and, a Hillary nomination was a sure thing. They made sure it was so....This the Democrats.

Screw Bernie! Pay him off.

What went wrong for the Democrats?

What went right for Trump?

I look forward to opinions
Here is my analysis of the "Trump" pheno... (show quote)


I personally believe the older generation suddenly started seeing what the demacrates were turning into and the direction they were taking the country. Something they had not seen since the 50's and thought had been killed that socialist/communist what ever you want to call it.I'm 66 when I listened to Hillary clinton some thing in my head clicked but I wasnt sure what had bothered me so I got on line and started looking up some of her speeches and then came accross other of the democratic party speeches. I was only a kid but when I went to school we learned about history and had it pounded in our heads if you dont pay attention to history you are doomed to repeat its mistakes. I never payed much attention to the news in my later years but when I did in 2015/2016 I definitely noticed the shift in what used to be a trusted career that almost all Americans trusted was and had turned into a enemy spilling propaganda type news used to promote the democratic push to open boarders and to be part of the one world order. Found a speech by Obama at the UN telling them we would join soon but would have to give up some of our freedoms but we were coming around . Thats when I realized why he was so determined to take every ones guns an unarmed america is weak/ a amoral america is weak/ a poor and bankrupt america is weak / a country that has a weak military is ready to be invaded. I would like to think that the older generation stood up and helped to put the stamp of American beliefs down and said NO this will not happen to my home. So I hope that we have enough stong AMERICAN younger generation to carry forward that which a great many of the older generation fought and died for I would hate that they died in vain.

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