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Feb 21, 2017 22:24:47   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
HedgeHog wrote:
1. Why doesn't evolution select for intelligence? I just found this out: Homo sapiens sapiens was the only species of the genus Homo to emerge from the Paleolithic Age. I think it was because H.sapiens sapiens had the better ability to conceptualize, and a more advanced form of foresight. Thus H. sapiens sapiens was in a better position to exercise control over the environment in times of rapidly changing climate, than the other Homo species.

2. I don't remember Caledon; however, an economic system and a governing system are separate, yet related. Remember my topic (CarolSeer's topic) "Countervailing Powers"---"When the holders of property and the holders of knowledge, either scientific or religious, align with the sword and the purse, then power becomes concentrated and freedom vanishes."
Here's a link to that topic: It's a good starter if you're interested in forming good governments.

http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-23382-1.html
1. Why doesn't evolution select for intelligence?... (show quote)


Wasn't the end of the Paleolithic period the time when the human population dropped to just a few thousand??

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Feb 21, 2017 23:15:35   #
HedgeHog
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Wasn't the end of the Paleolithic period the time when the human population dropped to just a few thousand??


Well, I haven't STUDIED it, precisely, but that was what I read, and the Younger Dryas Impact had something to do with the rapid changes in climate, and, I believe, the emergence of just the one species of the genus Homo.

Now, some might think it was because H. sapiens sapiens was a more "competitive" species than the others (and that's why he was the sole "survivor"), but my answer is that all animals are competitive, and it wasn't because H. sapiens sapiens thought to "wipe out" the others, because of, as you hinted, "rarity of resources."

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Feb 21, 2017 23:19:22   #
HedgeHog
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Good to hear from you.

Fitness is determined by reproductive success. Intelligence my gut have some selection strength, we will see. But, how long has it been around, and look what it does to its world.

Now Caladan. The Atreides home world. You should reread Dune. Herbert was ahead of the curve.

Trying not to be too obscure. But, there's the mystery!


You're going full Dawkins on me, aren't you? (Up to and including man's sole purpose in life is to pass on his genes. The survival machine, I think Dawkins called it.)

Herbert was definitely ahead of the curve, but as I have said, I didn't care for the messianic theme of the Dune books.

I remember Herbert's "The Dosadi Experiment" in much greater detail, and I HAVE re-read that one. Some gems on human nature in that one.

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Feb 21, 2017 23:23:57   #
HedgeHog
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Wasn't the end of the Paleolithic period the time when the human population dropped to just a few thousand??


Make that "Younger Dryas" Period. The Impact is an hypothesis.

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Feb 21, 2017 23:28:11   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Loki wrote:
He mentioned "squealing like a pig." I'll bet he has a purty mouth.


Probably a curly little tail also.

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Feb 21, 2017 23:30:24   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
HedgeHog wrote:
You're going full Dawkins on me, aren't you? (Up to and including man's sole purpose in life is to pass on his genes. The survival machine, I think Dawkins called it.)

Herbert was definitely ahead of the curve, but as I have said, I didn't care for the messianic theme of the Dune books.

I remember Herbert's "The Dosadi Experiment" in much greater detail, and I HAVE re-read that one. Some gems on human nature in that one.


Bed time, but, you don't see a messianic theme in the ME conflicts?

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Feb 21, 2017 23:31:36   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
HedgeHog wrote:
I heard at one point, 4 or 5 years ago, CA was issuing paper "IOU's". Wonder if those got paid off.


Wow! CA is a depot for the ABnormal. If they can't find a job, they run for public.office.

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Feb 21, 2017 23:38:05   #
HedgeHog
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I was referring to when man was created; so did God know the nature of man when he created us.

What I mean is that both communism and capitalism require something form man in order to work, which is not necessarily a part of man's natural psyche. Communism requires that everyone work for the common good but of course it is in man's nature to want to take more for himself; possibly a biological instinct to insure the passage of the genes. And in capitalism, man needs to eventually give back to the community rather than hoarding his wealth/goods, depriving the less fortunate/less intelligent/less skilled. You can probably describe this better than I can. But that's what I was referring to.

The one percenter's of today are essentially destroying the system which has allowed them to prosper. They take and take, driven by greed, while in many cases, put nothing back into the system. The result is an unstable system of have's and have not's. Eventually, the instability is manifest in frustrations being misinterpreted as bigotry/racism/elitism/etc.
I was referring to when man was created; so did Go... (show quote)


I decided to think about your first sentence there: Did God know the nature of man when he created us? I could be flippant, but I won't.

I think this about the nature of man, whatever it is or ought to be. Any part of his nature that has goodness: attributes, traits, needs, whatever, can also become adverse. Risk-taking is good, but when taken to an extreme it becomes detrimental, and that is what contributes to the pendulum swings in history.

And so with any other trait: Caring for others has goodness, when needed or for children, but when carried to extremes it is detrimental to others.

Fears are a necessary part of man's experience, but unless evaluated properly lead to overly suspicious and paranoid behaviors.

Competition can be healthy, but can be addictive, as we have talked about.

Pride of accomplishment is a necessary emotion (otherwise why would anyone want to do any productive work?), but can become excessive---my downfall: just because I'm usually right doesn't mean I'm always right!---and result in arrogance.

Anger, especially righteous anger, is VERY necessary. But again, when men are unaware of their anger, they will act impulsively, like children or beasts.

Well, I'm going to stop right there, because I see myself already getting into a different topic entirely.

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Feb 21, 2017 23:40:03   #
HedgeHog
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
Bed time, but, you don't see a messianic theme in the ME conflicts?


You need to specify the horrific Islamic State of Nowhere ideology. Not every conflict in the ME is based on end times beliefs.

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Feb 21, 2017 23:42:15   #
HedgeHog
 
Docadhoc wrote:
Wow! CA is a depot for the ABnormal. If they can't find a job, they run for public.office.


Pretty much tells me most Californians work in public office!!

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Feb 21, 2017 23:54:02   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Mikeyavelli wrote:
I am well traveled, well read, socially active, and I don't personally know anyone who I would perceive as greedy.
...when will illiar decide that taking donations for the benefit of others (bill and Chelsea ) is enough. They are the definition of greed and grift, yet, they are praised as beneficent gods.


Of course you don't..As an intelligent, well traveled, well read and socially active, your determination of them would naturally eliminate them..See through them, if you will...

I travel frequently, read more than I want when researching and am socially active as well...I've gotten pretty well in seeing that greed element (not just talking money) and for some reason shy away from engaging conversation..It doesn't take long to know...

As for the Clinton Mafia, good luck with that one...

They should have been sitting in jail right now and then under it at least for the in office treasonous actions of hillary..Bill and Chelsea have just as much greed and will or should be charged..

Interesting how their foundation has now closed.. Guess all those foreign donors that just gave millions for play now know what they invested in was a total loss... A little Karma, oh so saweettt...

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Feb 22, 2017 08:56:25   #
Mikeyavelli
 
lindajoy wrote:
Of course you don't..As an intelligent, well traveled, well read and socially active, your determination of them would naturally eliminate them..See through them, if you will...

I travel frequently, read more than I want when researching and am socially active as well...I've gotten pretty well in seeing that greed element (not just talking money) and for some reason shy away from engaging conversation..It doesn't take long to know...

As for the Clinton Mafia, good luck with that one...

They should have been sitting in jail right now and then under it at least for the in office treasonous actions of hillary..Bill and Chelsea have just as much greed and will or should be charged..

Interesting how their foundation has now closed.. Guess all those foreign donors that just gave millions for play now know what they invested in was a total loss... A little Karma, oh so saweettt...
Of course you don't..As an intelligent, well trave... (show quote)

Illiar lost it at " what difference does it make ", and the price she's paying is social humiliation and ostracism by those whose greed was invested entirely on her ability to become president.
She failed because Trump won it at " birther ".

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