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Feb 21, 2017 09:40:50   #
okie don
 
The Pilgrims left England as they expected everyone to go to the Episcopalian Church. No freedom of religion there. Hence 1st Amendment. No Gubment is gonna shove their religion down everyone's throat.

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Feb 21, 2017 09:43:57   #
okie don
 
WORSHIPING God or the 'GREAT SPIRIT' is not following any one religious belief. Muslims expect us ALL to worship Mohammad and Allah! That's Not 'Freedom of religion' IMHO.

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Feb 22, 2017 23:31:44   #
goch1
 
Some of our extended friends think it is "Freedom FROM religion" rather than "freedom OF religion." Good post pointing out the 2 parts of the 1st amendment wording about religion. Thanks!

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Feb 23, 2017 06:05:19   #
okie don
 
Yeah, I know goch1
They have it all screwed up and interpret it wrong...

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May 14, 2017 20:36:50   #
Chameleon12
 
okie don wrote:
" Free exercise of religion" RIGHT!
When in college years and years ago, I recall a professor saying that the reason the
pilgrims left England is they were being forced to accept the Episcopalian religion.
No ' Gubment' should force the people to accept any specific religious philosophy or belief.

Here, here


The were being forced to participate in the Church of England. That's close enough in belief to Episcopal but not exactly.

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May 14, 2017 21:11:52   #
Chameleon12
 
fredsgirl1 wrote:
The constitution is a document that is both strong as iron and as weak as tissue paper. The framers understood that there are people in our society that demand they have supremacy over all others. Religion, all religions as far as I can see, will not be happy until they force everyone to worship as they worship. Anything less is an infringement of their rights. They do not consider the rights of others. As an atheist I am subjected to prothlizers coming to my door and trying to instruct me in their brand of religion with no understanding that they have no moral right to insult my intelligence in such a way. But if I insist that they stop they are outraged. For the record, I have never had an American muslim doing the same thing, or a buddhist. It seems to be the preferred behaviour of Christians.
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First of all, you're belief that all religions want to force everyone to worship as they worship is extremely wrong. In fact, the only religion that practices this in today's age IS muslims. Judaism only allows jews for the most part.. It's an exclusive religion. Protestantism only allows voluntary conversion. Catholicism used to practice forced conversions but, initially, only to combat the Muslim invasion. Buddhism, like wiccan and Protestantism, only supports voluntary conversions and seems to be more of a philosophy than a religion. Your belief that religion insults your intelligence is your right but, in general, such an idea is dangerous as it discourages the free flow of ideas regardless of any merits. What you don't understand is that religion, at its core, is simply an organized belief in a higher power and the perpetuation of one's self or others after death. By those standards, Public Education is a religion. The teacher believes in passing his version of truths on to others with the belief that those truths will continue to impact others after his death. All subtypes of atheism with the exception of the ignorant, agnostic, or uncaring atheist are also religions as they require a certain set of beliefs. All religions have some truth to them, some have more truth than others.

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May 14, 2017 21:22:10   #
Chameleon12
 
JimMe wrote:
But even “Free exercise of religion” has unwritten limitations... The meaning related to the absence of words has to be recognized as well... When “Free exercise of religion” violates Law, the Law takes precedent... So, when a Religion gives a husband the Right to stone his wife or children for breaking a Religious Tenant, and the State does not, the husband will be arrested, tried, and, if convicted, imprisoned or executed...


Actually, you're wrong on that one. Any law instituted by state or federal government will not take precedent over religion unless that law is also backed up by the core tenants of the Constitution. For instance, a law which states "Muslim attendants must sell alcohol if they work at a gas station just as everyone else does" would be shot down. However, a law that bans "human sacrifice" will be upheld because it goes against the Constitution's core tenants of preserving another's life and liberty.

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May 14, 2017 21:31:22   #
Chameleon12
 
padremike wrote:
It is appalling to me and demonstrative of the progress Satan has made in the destruction and compromise of Christianity. It is precisely your antagonism and hatred of Catholics, based on ignorance, and taught prejudice, that is the reason for Satan's success. If you knew scripture and Christian history you would know that from the beginning of the Christian faith there was established the hierarchy of deacons, bishops and priests. Read Timothy! When Luther was interdicted and excommunicated he lost his right to the sacred priesthood. Thereafter, no protestant church had access to valid sacraments. Luther was the first protestant. Within 80 years there were over 200 different denominations waring against one another and if you believe the Inquisition was horrible it was no less equal to the heresy trials and executions by the protestants. Rome admits the Inquisition, the Spanish Inquisition, was wrong. The protestants remain silent and lest we forget so called witches were burned right here in America. For 1500 years there were basically two Christian Churches, the East (orthodox) and the West (Roman). 500 years later, in America, there are approximately 25,000 different protestant denominations, all using the same basic scripture, all having different interpretations of scripture and all offering slightly different paths to attain heaven. And who does this division serve if not the father of lies? Practically every protestant denomination that sanctioned women clergy have now or are in the process of putting their blessing on homosexuality. The East and the West do not. Satan wants to destroy the Christian Church and who better to assist him than ignorant Christians? There has always been attacks against the faith. St Paul was plagued with the heresy of Gnosticism. Chances are you know not one formally defined heresy but you are an expert on.......your feelings, your ignorance. But, in truth, it's not your fault. You've never been taught church history. By example, consider today how our youth are being purposely dumbed down on American history. Why? Whose purpose does it serve?

FYI, I am not a Roman Catholic. And although I firmly believe that Protestants have been thoroughly robbed of their Christian heritage and do not have the fullness of the faith once delivered by Christ to the Apostles, I believe what Christ told the apostles who discovered others, not sanctioned to preach the Gospel, doing so -"if they're not against us, they are for us." Might I suggest you do likewise.
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I would say that you're likely orthodox catholic. I do know Catholic Church History and how they strayed fro their own founding tenements through tradition and demagoguery.

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May 14, 2017 21:47:27   #
Chameleon12
 
Kickaha wrote:
My daughter was given a very pretty cross for her first Communion. She wore it to school one day and an ignorant teacher told her it was against the law for her to wear it to school because of the 'separation of church and state'. I told her if she wanted to wear it to go ahead and wear it. If the teacher wanted to try to discipline her for wearing it to be respectful and let me enlighten the teacher as to what the Constitution actually says. I didn't need to do anything as the kids took care of it themselves. Seems my daughter started a small revolt with her and all of her friends suddenly wearing crosses every day.
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lol, that's great!

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May 14, 2017 21:50:37   #
Chameleon12
 
okie don wrote:
There's some 600 church's here in Tulsa. Bible belt the say. Hard to figure out which ones the right one. Most are corporations with 501(c)3 tax exempt.


Tax exempt is an example of separation of church and state.

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May 14, 2017 23:20:19   #
okie don
 
Speaking of RELIGION, Reading a series of 4 books now on RELIGION.
" Freedom From Religion' is the title of book #3 published in 2008, Author Jack Barranger.
So many are Cults.
There are many wealthy Ministers out there with private airplanes etc. (:

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