moldyoldy

That is an exact copy of the story you put out in the beginning. It was from 1999, and the tax laws change every year

straightUp Loc: California

Of course they do... I am in fact expressing an opinion... funny how that works, eh?


Are you actually telling me that you KNOW all the sources in the world and whether or not their opinions are polarized? No one knows how many "sources" are expressing a polar opposite opinion. And veracity is measured with as much bias as anyone selectively searching for facts to support his opinion.

So let's get real here.


Actually, the Rolling Stone Magazine is highly acclaimed. It's just not popular among conservatives.


OK, I'm going to explain something... My entire argument is a response to the "claim" that there were millions of illegal votes. Read the title... [i]"Exposed! Up to 2.1 million ILLEGAL votes were cast in election" [/i]You can say what you want but that claim is without ANY empirical evidence and you know that.

The point of bringing up the Rolling Stone article is to highlight the indisputable fact that there *are* also claims suggesting the opposite is true. I find the "facts" presented in the article compelling for two reasons...

1. The Rolling Stone is a high-visibility publication with a stake in it's own reputation as a trustworthy source of political fact. That doesn't mean it isn't left-leaning. It just means it's trustworthy. I also subscribe to the Wall Street Journal, which leans right, but I trust it nevertheless.
2. I have been tracking voter suppression for years and the patterns are quite obvious. Both sides do it, but it seems the Republicans do it a lot more.

I've mentioned this right here in this discussion. I also mentioned the fact that the Republican Party is loosing ground on a per citizen basis. That's not coming from Greg Palast, that's my own observation. What you then saw me do is something you won't see many people on the right doing...

I made a rational connection.

Specifically, I made the connection between a diminishing share of popularity and a need to redistrict. That's called logic. It doesn't mean I *AM* right, it just means that I am *probably* right.

So, if you're up to it pafret, confront me on a serious level and stop assuming that I'm like so many of the other right-wing dim-wits here that just look for links to point to.

straightUp Loc: California

So here's the deal...

We have all these immigrants over here working for living, earning an income and paying taxes on that income. Many of them, unfamiliar with tax system and laws, rely on lawyers and accountants to handle the business for them. As a result, a single office can receive numerous tax returns, which then get distributed in a perfectly legal manner in many cases to workers who don't even have a secured address of their own. A "study" points out that some addresses are receiving refunds that total much higher than what is expected for one household and suddenly, there's the possibility that it could mean fraud.

That is what this entire report is... an alarm that their *could* be some fraud... The responsible thing for a reporter to do would be to see if there were in fact any cases of tax fraud associated with the address... As it turns out there are none. So, the "report" is really just a list of addresses to which legitimate refunds were sent and someone screaming about how it could be fraud.

And then this other nutbag on OPP points to it and says it's proof that illegals vote.

LOL

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Only a jackass would call these "real" news sites after it has been proven they twist, fabricate, spin, and flat out lie.

You said it "they reported" what does that have to do with empirical evidence?

http://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/749989/Julian-Assange-Putin-Clinton-Trump-email-hack-DNC/amp


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-22/nsa-whistleblower-us-intelligence-worker-likely-behind-dnc-leaks-not-russia


http://www.google.com/amp/s/alethonews.wordpress.com/2017/01/05/fbi-didnt-examine-dnc-servers-russia-wrongfully-accused-of-hacking/amp/


http://consortiumnews.com/2017/02/15/german-intel-clears-russia-on-interference/


http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2016/10/russia-hack-dnc-really.html


http://www.noozhawk.com/article/ted_rall_russia_hacking_wheres_the_evidence

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2016/12/20/russia-did-not-hack-the-dnc-the-leaks-came-from-the-inside/



Use your own brain dip stick, something isn't because you want it to be, the "something needs empirical evidence and there is not a shred.

straightUp Loc: California

Exactly...
The way to locate fraud is to match the numbers to the individual, which is what we have SSNs and ITINs for. Adding up the totals sum of money on all the checks being delivered to one address doesn't prove anything, least of all the claim that illegal immigrants vote... I mean, seriously, WHERE is the connection?

straightUp Loc: California

Before you put that aside, let me point something out. The framers of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights intended that the total population of Congressional districts never exceed 50 to 60 thousand. Currently, the average population size of the districts is nearly 700,000 and, consequently, the principle of proportionally equitable representation has been abandoned. THAT is the problem with the electoral college... Not because it was a bad idea when the founders designed it but the fact that the population eventually got so big it broke it. So before you accuse *some* Americans of being ignorant about our system of government, let me first tell you that there is no "I" in "electoral" and secondly, explain exactly how the population broke the electoral college...

1. The original plan was for the representatives to elect the president.
2. Some founders thought the representatives themselves couldn't be trusted to elect the president and so they came up with the idea of replacing each representative with a normal citizen to be the elector. This way, each state would get the same number of electors as they have representatives, which was already determined to be a factor of population.
3. So the population grew... and as it did, Congress added new seats to represent new districts. In 1789 there were 64 representatives by 1913 here were 435.
4. And then they stopped adding seats and the population grew three times the size.
5. This created a whole new game where you have this finite number of districts, rearranging themselves across the expanding population and so of course, it becomes a battleground for political parties.

Currently, the disproportion favors the rural states. In fact, the current distribution of citizens to districts is so uneven that it takes four California voters to equal the power of one Wyoming voter. I did that math myself BTW. Take the number of popular votes in California divided by their number of electoral votes, then do the same for Wyoming. You will find that there are three times more voters per electoral vote than there are in Wyoming. Easily accessible facts... popular vote and electoral vote per state. Simple math. Don't just take my word for it, you can easily figure it out for yourself.

Look, it's popular opinion that the electoral college was designed to protect the smaller states from the larger states, but that's a misconception. The Electoral College was designed to faithfully represent a population by using congressional districts while at the same time removing the political risk of allowing representatives themselves to cast the votes.


Great idea... Although, I suggest you learn what it is first.


See and you wonder why I would assume you don't know what the Constitution is.
The Constitution *IS* a liberal idea.

buffalo Loc: Texas

He was high enough to have legal access to the emails.

http://yournewswire.com/wikileaks-seth-rich-leaked-clinton-emails/

moldyoldy

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

The family are most probably in fear too . Anyone would be . Their are to many mysterious deaths on the Clinton trail to be circumstance.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

It's a damn shame there isn't a way to press criminal charges for "lying" liberal media, spinning the news, fabricating news, without damaging our 1st Amendment. The real ones tipping our elections isn't the Russians, it's the lying liberal media.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

Execution for subversion would be a breath of fresh air.

moldyoldy

That would eliminate brietbart, infowars, and rush.

Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon

I agree with you, how about anyone knowingly on either side pulls any subversive activity "Sorry for their choice" baa..Buy.

buffalo Loc: Texas

June 22, 2016--UN official John Ashe died suspiciously the day before he was to testifiy against the DNC and bitch clinton in a corruption case. Official reports indicated he died of a heart attack. The problem, however, is that police on the scene reported Ashe died when his throat was crushed during a work-out accident. It must be coincidence, right?

July 10, 2016--Seth Rich, a DNC staffer was shot multiple times in the back while on his way home. He was the one who handed the emails to WikiLeaks that led to the resignation of Debbie Wasserman Schultz just before the Democrat National Convention opened.

August 2, 2016-- Victor Thorn, who was a prolific author and seasoned investigator of the Clintons. He was best known as a Clinton expert, writing over 6 books on all of their scandals. Co-workers report he was working diligently on a new Hillary scandal, and his brother reports he possessed damaging top secret emails involving the Clintons. He was found dead of a gunshot wound on a mountain top near his home.

August 4, 2016--Shawn Lucas was the lead attorney in the anit-clinton/DNC fraud case ans was a Sanders supporter was found dead at his home in the bathroom just days after he had served papers to the DNC.

Lists of “mysterious” deaths range from 27 to 36 to 47 to 56 to even 90 people associated with or challenging the Clintons have died under strange circumstances.

What are the odds of that happening to any other “political” family in U.S. history? Or any family for that matter?

Or, are the clintons just that "lucky"?

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Amen......the framers of the Constitution meant what they said about needing a free press, they never intended a lying press.

Tell the truth or be executed, Rachel Madow, Chris Matthews would be a the front of the line.