Exposed! Up to 2.1 million ILLEGAL votes were cast in election (Page 13): We have to agree to deal an idiot population of all political persuasions... Both sides argue with skewed data...

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

straightUp wrote:

I agree that it's plausible... In fact, there have been isolated cases in the past where it's been proven but such cases are extremely rare, which only proves that official authorities are indeed capable of finding fraud when it happens, and yet they've been silent about the entire 2016 election. That's because, official authorities need actual evidence.

I guess we just gotta deal with an idiot population being suckered by Republicans.

We have to agree to deal an idiot population of all political persuasions...

Both sides argue with skewed data and don't really think about the facts, and ask tough questions.

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Dummy Boy wrote:

Hey Jack, br br Using your line of reasoning, aga... (show quote)

That would work, if it were not true majority of all individuals perpetrating voter fraud are liberal and the "vast" majority group /officials/organized are liberals. I validated this claim in previous post, and have detailed validation of liberal dominance in the world of voter fraud.

CounterRevolutionary

jack sequim wa wrote:

Your rationale makes sense of which I have no argument. My intent has not to support or discredit millions of illegals voted. We do know illegals voted, but was it a thousand or a million? There is no "empirical " evidence leaving any reasonable argument "speculation " only.
My point to those denying voter fraud goes beyond isolated cases rest on evidence, but (but) exactly how extreme is still left to speculation. As an example, we know printing plates exist and have printed fraudulent ballots, we don't know how many were distributed accross America. We know that 120% of voters, voting in dozens of district's accross America verses the number of registered voters. What we don't know was there 10% voter turn out or 80% turnout in order to determine the actual number of fraudulent votes. We know that liberal groups and officials have been caught in relatively high numbers verses conservatives, but how many are involved since majority are never prosecuted is again unknown. Then the big but.... how accurate are the many university statically studies representing millions of fraudulent votes by liberals in 2016.
Based on dozens of studies, plus journalist investigations combined with voters caught or voter officials caught, I lean towards the speculation accross America and including illegal aliens it is not unreasonable to conclude 2-4 million fraudulent votes had been cast for hillary.

One last point, the individual that committes voter fraud likely is restricted from much beyond 1-20 fraudulent votes (my guess). Higher numbers are committed by small organized grass root groups, likely limited to geographic area's, but also it is likely that there are a far greater number of these group's than liberals independently would ever aggree with. Again speculation, but look how many tens of thousands organized in a matter of just hours, once it was realized Trump won the election.

Your comments of "federal " drivers license makes a great deal of sense and is actually in the works. Washington State offers an enhanced drivers license requiring the same identity standards as a passport. With said license, one can enter Canada or Mexico (no other countries ). It is my understanding that all states have been given a drop dead date to have their systems upgraded to an enhanced (federal) drivers license.

Your heads not in the sand after all, thanks for your reply

Take care

Your rationale makes sense of which I have no argu... (show quote)

Jack, this REAL ID is not such a bright idea. It can include more than just biometrics - DNA, eye-scans, fingerprints, blood type;, but also include credit card history, gun registration, religion, race, political party, health records, birth certificate, bank accounts, tax records, address, education, employment history, Common Core databases, anything the government wants to track; and even trade this REAL ID information with other states and other governments.

Criminals do not obey the law and would not register with REAL ID in the first place. So why track the honest citizens? When the government wants to disarm its citizens and overturn the 2nd Amendment, they will know where to find all 227 million law abiding Americans. And, what is the purpose of this REAL ID with President Obama's wide open borders and the Democrat Party's push for the North American Union?

Check out Campaign For Liberty's expose on REAL ID, aka "Dangerous ID." See Congressman Dr. Ron Paul's statement before the House in 2005:

http://liberty-pac.blogspot.com/2017/01/repeal-real-id-act-2017.html

http://www.campaignforliberty.org/petitions/stop-dangerous-id-in-oklahoma

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

Jack, this REAL ID is not such a bright idea. It c... (show quote)

I'm on the side of voter ID "real ID", I have previously written on the dangers of government overreach mirroring your reply. With government overreach ID's , the next time liberals come into power and if all that information was in an ID, you can bet your butt laws anri-second Amendment would be flying off the shelves with instant restrictions. Plus with the liberal devious minds, there are a dozen other restrictive, controlling law would be implemented.
It is my understanding (2nd hand) that there is language among the thousands of pages in Obamacare that in 1017-2018 would allow chipping . We know if chipping ever gets a foothold, the liberals would abuse it. Example; in order to continue receiving medicaid /medicare one must be chipped, which then would be expanded to receiving social security benifit s, federal aid for scholarships, eventually party affiliation, religious beliefs and we can only imagine how they could single out inflict leftist damage.
With what is already going in implementation mode for federal ID's and the present qualifications that are in line with what is required for a passport, that vehicle of ID requirements in order to vote, by a federal mandate would reduce voter fraud. I don't believe voter fraud can be stopped unless online voting (in some states), mail in ballots, early voting are eliminated and replaced with 100% in person voting. Leftist would argue that it would restrict the disabled, or be an inconvenience. But to bad, going to the store on a windy, rainy night is an inconvenience and with few exceptions the disabled at large are capable of going to a voting booth. The arguments that voter ID'S harm minorities has no legs and when introduced in states with conservative judges seems able to get signed into law, so a federal law with majority of conservative supreme court justices, may not be a stretch.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

Jack, this REAL ID is not such a bright idea. It c... (show quote)

Why does the government want to track honest citizens?

I don't know any anyone in my township or county police department that doesn't believe in an honest citizens right to bear arms.

However, honest citizens look like dishonest citizens, that's the problem.

If you are not willing to give your civil right to be monitored more, don't expect it to change. It is too expensive to create citizenship verification staff for each election.

CounterRevolutionary

jack sequim wa wrote:

I'm on the side of voter ID "real ID", I... (show quote)

I like your idea of voting in person with ID, it need not be that "REAL ID" but certainly good enough to qualify for citizenship. We could end much of our misery by ending the motor-voter system that offers drivers licenses to illegal aliens. And we could end the distribution of IRS ITIN numbers to illegal aliens. That should hold the problem down to a dull roar.

CounterRevolutionary

Dummy Boy wrote:

Why does the government want to track honest citizens?

I don't know any anyone in my township or county police department that doesn't believe in an honest citizens right to bear arms.

However, honest citizens look like dishonest citizens, that's the problem.

If you are not willing to give your civil right to be monitored more, don't expect it to change. It is too expensive to create citizenship verification staff for each election.

You ask: "why does the government want to track honest citizens?"
You asked the wrong question.
Let's try asking: Why does the corrupt government want to track honest citizens?

You write: "if you are not willing to give [up] your civil right[s] to be monitored more, don't expect it [the level of corruption] to change."

Ben Franklin warned us that any man willing to give up his freedom for security will in the end, have neither. Just remember, Hitler first issued national gun registration, and then disarmed the Jews.

How could the Democrats be demanding we fork over all our personal information for this REAL ID scheme when they are simultaneously promoting open borders? Aren't you a little suspicious of their real goals?