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Exposed! Up to 2.1 million ILLEGAL votes were cast in election
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Feb 19, 2017 14:11:44   #
zelda
 
Yes it is possible to do that and I think 99% of the people do
verify their picks in the 2 cases I referred to they were verified by
2 people and the person at the front that was taking info and they
automatically defaulted to Obama that is 100% fact and was verified,
but nothing was done about it as far as I know!

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Feb 19, 2017 15:01:03   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
straightUp wrote:
Trump won the election... So why is it soooo important for him and his supporters to lie about illegal votes? I noticed you offer no link... You just said "a new study"... OK, I got one ... "New Study" by Dr. E. P. Morris shows that all Republicans have smaller brains sizes than Democrats... There ya go... How's that?

Better yet... let me show you what a link looks like.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-gops-stealth-war-against-voters-w435890

This link is to a Rolling Stone article by investigative reporter Greg Palst (Author of "Best Democracy Money Can Buy"). He wrote this article (and I read it) before the election even happened. The article discusses a system called the Interstate Voter Registration Crosscheck Program, which was started by Kris Kobach, Republican representative from Kansas, who was also responsible for a racial profiling system following 9/11 that has since been deemed inappropriate. Kobach has been working on this new system for years now and leading up to the 2016 election it's been promoted by a powerful Republican operative AND by Trump. The "official" concept is to find voters who have registered in more than one state, add those voters to a list and disqualify their votes. So it's an "anti-fraud" system. Except... the voters get no warning or notification... They aren't even told that their vote is discounted so the voter never even knows. Here's the genius part... The list itself is kept secret. How's that for a transparent system?

As it turns out, part of the list was leaked, containing the names of 1 million voters... that's just the part that was leaked. You might wonder if this is normal. Do millions of voters really cast ballots in more than one state? Why has this never been discovered before..? Did these voters suddenly realize in 2016 that they can drive a car across state lines? I've been watching the Republicans pulling these stunts for years. The classic move in voter suppression is redistricting... In Texas, this seems like a weekly event... every time time more Hispanics move in to the state the Republicans rearrange their congressional districts to minimize the effect of their votes.

I actually remember the investigation that Bush launched that the article describes. Bush was miffed about the Florida recount and launched the investigation into possible voter fraud (which had to have been rampant for such a wide chasm to appear between the actual count and what Bush thought should have been the count.) In any case after five years and plenty of tax money they came up with nothing.

So when I heard about the Crosscheck system I was pretty much already expecting something like that. Republicans rely too much on old white people with racists hangups and that demographic is shrinking, so they continue to rely more and more on voter suppression techniques, disguised as voter fraud prevention.

As it turns out, several states pulled out of the system, citing problems with the methodology, as Oregon's secretary of state recently explained: "We left Crosscheck because the data we received was unreliable." Still, 28 states stuck with the system. Among them, Virginia which produced a list (part of what was leaked) showing 342,556 names which they apparently cancelled from the voter rolls right before Election Day. Lists from Georgia and Washington state were also leaked. It turns out that a quarter of the list that was leaked didn't even match middle names or suffixes like "Sr." or "Jr." On the Georgia list alone there was 357 people with the name "James Brown" and there were no SS numbers at all!

I'm sure you won't read the article because it's not going to tell you what you want to hear. But just so you know... there are a lot of us that aren't making out with the Republican sphincter and we are at liberty to review the investigations commissioned by either side and when you do that it becomes really obvious that Republicans have been playing dirty pool for a long time.

I haven't made a big deal out of this until now, because it's not worth arguing with a bunch of right-wing maggots about voter suppression when they will only deny it. Besides, the way I see it, Trump won the election whether it was fair or not. Sometimes cheaters win. You just have to move on and maybe work toward making elections more fair in the future.

Still, judging by Trump's record breaking low approval ratings and the record breaking protests against him, along with many other indications, I would say he lost the popular vote by a margin far greater than the 3 million actual votes that were counted. I would guess there were another 2 million at least that were qualified to vote but were not even counted because of bullshit systems like Crosscheck.

I'm sure the "study" you reference in you original post comes from these bullshit lists... It would be just like the Republicans to quietly disqualify the voters based on erroneous data and then hold up the list and state that these people voted illegally... and of course lie and say their votes were counted.
Trump won the election... So why is it soooo impor... (show quote)


The program was generated by the Kansas Sect. of State and has been adopted by about 27 others. Both sides are contentious about who is rigging the findings in their favor. I read your linked article and several others. What they tell me is that your diatribe is totally partisan and contains accusations not supported by any evidence.

Your opinion about how many votes Trump actually lost by, is based on the same fantasy as the rest of this post. You don't like the fact that your heinous criminal candidate lost so you will calumniate the opposition by distortion of fact and blatant lies. Post something when you have facts and not unsupported opinion.

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Feb 19, 2017 15:16:06   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
pafret wrote:
The program was generated by the Kansas Sect. of State and has been adopted by about 27 others. Both sides are contentious about who is rigging the findings in their favor. I read your linked article and several others. What they tell me is that your diatribe is totally partisan and contains accusations not supported by any evidence.

Your opinion about how many votes Trump actually lost by, is based on the same fantasy as the rest of this post. You don't like the fact that your heinous criminal candidate lost so you will calumniate the opposition by distortion of fact and blatant lies. Post something when you have facts and not unsupported opinion.
The program was generated by the Kansas Sect. of S... (show quote)


Catherine Engelbrecht's True the Vote is now working for the Trump Administration. CAtherine, who also testified before Congress and a member of the Tea Party, was targeted by Lois Lerner at the IRS. True the Vote is checking IRS Individual Taxpayers Identification Numbers (ITIN) for illegal aliens against both party voter registration lists of names and addresses. It is estimated that 15% of 11 million illegal aliens (or more - some estimates are between 20 - 30 million illegals using ITINs or false SS numbers) are registered to vote through the motor-voter process.

We will get the facts and set the record straight. Take a look at these statistics. This must be the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/irs-sent-46378040-refunds-23994-unauthorized-aliens-1-atlanta-address
IRS Sent $46,378,040 in Refunds to 23,994 ‘Unauthorized’ Aliens at 1 Atlanta Address
By Terence P. Jeffrey | June 21, 2013 | 4:18 PM EDT

"(CNSNews.com) - The Internal Revenue Service sent 23,994 tax refunds worth a combined $46,378,040 to “unauthorized” alien workers who all used the same address in Atlanta, Ga., in 2011, according to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration (TIGTA).

That was not the only Atlanta address theoretically used by thousands of “unauthorized” alien workers receiving millions in federal tax refunds in 2011. In fact, according to a TIGTA audit report published last year, four of the top ten addresses to which the IRS sent thousands of tax refunds to “unauthorized” aliens were in Atlanta.

The IRS sent 11,284 refunds worth a combined $2,164,976 to unauthorized alien workers at a second Atlanta address; 3,608 worth $2,691,448 to a third; and 2,386 worth $1,232,943 to a fourth.

Other locations on the IG’s Top Ten list for singular addresses that were theoretically used simultaneously by thousands of unauthorized alien workers, included an address in Oxnard, Calif, where the IRS sent 2,507 refunds worth $10,395,874; an address in Raleigh, North Carolina, where the IRS sent 2,408 refunds worth $7,284,212; an address in Phoenix, Ariz., where the IRS sent 2,047 refunds worth $5,558,608; an address in Palm Beach Gardens, Fla., where the IRS sent 1,972 refunds worth $2,256,302; an address in San Jose, Calif., where the IRS sent 1,942 refunds worth $5,091,027; and an address in Arvin, Calif., where the IRS sent 1,846 refunds worth $3,298,877.

Since 1996, the IRS has issued what it calls Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs) to two classes of persons: 1) non-resident aliens who have a tax liability in the United States, and 2) aliens living in the United States who are “not authorized to work in the United States.”

The IRS has long known it was giving these numbers to illegal aliens, and thus facilitating their ability to work illegally in the United States. For example, the Treasury Inspector General’s Semiannual Report to Congress published on Oct. 29, 1999—nearly fourteen years ago—specifically drew attention to this problem.

“The IRS issues Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITINs) to undocumented aliens to improve nonresident alien compliance with tax laws. This IRS practice seems counter-productive to the Immigration and Naturalization Service’s (INS) mission to identify undocumented aliens and prevent unlawful alien entry,” TIGTA warned in that long-ago report.

The inspector general’s 2012 audit report on the IRS’s handling of ITINs was spurred by two IRS employees who went to members of Congress "alleging that IRS management was requiring employees to assign Individual Taxpayer Identification Numbers (ITIN) even when the applications were fraudulent.”

In an August 2012 press release accompanying the audit report, TIGTA said the report “validated” the complaints of the IRS employees.

“TIGTA’s audit found that IRS management has not established adequate internal controls to detect and prevent the assignment of an ITIN to individuals submitting questionable applications,” said Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration J. Russell George. “Even more troubling, TIGTA found an environment which discourages employees from detecting fraudulent applications.”

In addition to the 23,994 tax refunds worth a combined $46,378,040 that the IRS sent to a single address in Atlanta, the IG also discovered that the IRS had assigned 15,796 ITINs to unauthorized aliens who presumably used a single Atlanta address.

The IRS, according to TIGTA, also assigned ITINs to 15,028 unauthorized aliens presumably using a single address in Dallas, Texas, and 10,356 to unauthorized aliens presumably living at a single address in Atlantic City, N.J.

Perhaps the most remarkable act of the IRS was this: It assigned 6,411 ITINs to unauthorized aliens presumably using a single address in Morganton, North Carolina. According to the 2010 Census, there were only 16,681 people in Morganton. So, for the IRS to have been correct in issuing 6,411 ITINS to unauthorized aliens at a single address in Morganton it would have meant that 38 percent of the town’s total population were unauthorized alien workers using a single address.

TIGTA said there were 154 addresses around the country that appeared on 1,000 or more ITIN applications made to the IRS."

So let's do the math: 154 ITIN addresses receiving 24,000 illegal aliens at each house = 3,696,000 illegal aliens and potential fraudulent voters. Of course, that's a guess. There might be more. We need the facts.

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Feb 19, 2017 15:22:16   #
zelda
 
Yes the heinous criminal candidate Hillery definitly lost in spite of
all their cheating and voter fraud and it will be proven eventually!

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Feb 19, 2017 15:29:19   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
zelda wrote:
Yes the heinous criminal candidate Hillery definitly lost in spite of
all their cheating and voter fraud and it will be proven eventually!


Bitch clinton, et al are still blaming it on the Ruskies...

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Feb 19, 2017 15:29:42   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
pafret wrote:
The program was generated by the Kansas Sect. of State and has been adopted by about 27 others. Both sides are contentious about who is rigging the findings in their favor. I read your linked article and several others. What they tell me is that your diatribe is totally partisan and contains accusations not supported by any evidence.

Your opinion about how many votes Trump actually lost by, is based on the same fantasy as the rest of this post. You don't like the fact that your heinous criminal candidate lost so you will calumniate the opposition by distortion of fact and blatant lies. Post something when you have facts and not unsupported opinion.
The program was generated by the Kansas Sect. of S... (show quote)


The only criminal that was in the race for President was Hillary.

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Feb 19, 2017 15:32:08   #
zelda
 
You are 100% Correct no doubt about it!!

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Feb 19, 2017 15:34:25   #
Nicholas
 
"Sometimes cheaters win. You just have to move on and maybe work toward making elections more fair in the future."
That is true, but in the case of Hillary Clinton, a liar and a cheat who did not win. Her cheating was verified by her lying about the Benghazi terror attack killing four Americans and blaming the attack on a YouTube video, her deletion of over 30,000 e-mails and destruction of unauthorized computer servers to destroy evidence that linked her to many pay-to-play agreements, and her accepting questions prior to the TV campaign debate with Trump.

Still, many Democrats and Liberals voted for Hillary Clinton, which is to say they may also be classified as cheaters or they are simply dopes for following the main stream media. Could it be that half the country consists of people unable to identify a cheater with no integrity and respect for honesty? It could be that our educational system is very poor whereby facts are distorted and our youth are brainwashed with liberal and socialistic ideas that compromise love of America and the opportunities it offers to all people.

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Feb 19, 2017 15:40:09   #
moldyoldy
 
Louie27 wrote:
The only criminal that was in the race for President was Hillary.


That certainly explains why trump has thousands of law suits against him.
Why he recently was told to pay millions for fraud.

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Feb 19, 2017 16:34:41   #
KRSIAS
 
You have mail in voting, early voting, people that need help voting. Someone can be bought at the voting venues to throw away votes, allow someone to vote that does not show proper ID, machines can be tampered with, who knows what else. We all know it's true, just the extent is unknown.

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Feb 19, 2017 16:36:54   #
KRSIAS
 
"It could be that our educational system is very poor whereby facts are distorted and our youth are brainwashed with liberal and socialistic ideas that compromise love of America and the opportunities it offers to all people"

And this was set in motion in the 90's.

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Feb 19, 2017 17:44:50   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
moldyoldy wrote:
That certainly explains why trump has thousands of law suits against him.
Why he recently was told to pay millions for fraud.


Something positive to begin with,.. That's a very cool haircut in your picture.but there's a difference between civil law and criminal law , your champion will be indicative of of the latter .. Hopefully flaming hillary can face murder , treason, perjury, conspiracy, like a villainous flamer should .

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Feb 19, 2017 18:36:19   #
moldyoldy
 
byronglimish wrote:
Something positive to begin with,.. That's a very cool haircut in your picture.but there's a difference between civil law and criminal law , your champion will be indicative of of the latter .. Hopefully flaming hillary can face murder , treason, perjury, conspiracy, like a villainous flamer should .


Don't try to be smart, you are not equipped.

fraud
[frôd]

NOUN
wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain:
"he was convicted of fraud" · [more]

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Feb 19, 2017 18:43:14   #
zelda
 
Yes everyone should know it's true but lots of people want to
deny it I think that's mostly because of the lying media!

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Feb 19, 2017 18:44:47   #
Michael Rich Loc: Lapine Oregon
 
[quote=moldyoldy]Don't try to be smart, you are not equipped.

Thanks for the tip and will take it under advisement and promise in the future to cling to everything you and the rest of the flamers say .]

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