Exposed! Up to 2.1 million ILLEGAL votes were cast in election (Page 12): These claims have been proven factually. Of course voter fraud claims have been debunked, that doesn't give...

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

moldyoldy wrote:

Those false claims have been debunked many times

These claims have been proven factually. Of course voter fraud claims have been debunked, that doesn't give cause to dismiss or invalidate the truth of nationwide combined massive voter fraud.

PeterS

buffalo wrote:

FEBRUARY 17, 2017 br br A new study has added sig... (show quote)

And yet Trump still won. Whoda thunk...

jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho

Nicholas wrote:

Every American must be concerned that every vote is valid. To tolerate any voter fraud is to give up your freedom that many people died for. Voter fraud should be exposed by printing the faces of those that commit it and apply a hefty fine. All people should know who are the cheaters in American that do not honor the right to vote.

Your idea's are truly excellent. Shame and a fine that hurts.
New Mexico publishes DUI convictions in the Albuquerque news. The pictures and crime stays in the daily news. I'm not sure exactly how long, but it's at least a week, long enough for neighborhood, their gas station, bank, grocery store, work place to see they drove under the influence.

buffalo Loc: Texas

PeterS wrote:

And yet Trump still won. Whoda thunk...

Those perpetrating voter fraud for bitch clinton by allowing all those illegals to vote forgot about the electoral college, therefore they had them voting in the wrong states.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

jack sequim wa wrote:

Your rationale makes sense of which I have no argument. My intent has not to support or discredit millions of illegals voted. We do know illegals voted, but was it a thousand or a million? There is no "empirical " evidence leaving any reasonable argument "speculation " only.
My point to those denying voter fraud goes beyond isolated cases rest on evidence, but (but) exactly how extreme is still left to speculation. As an example, we know printing plates exist and have printed fraudulent ballots, we don't know how many were distributed accross America. We know that 120% of voters, voting in dozens of district's accross America verses the number of registered voters. What we don't know was there 10% voter turn out or 80% turnout in order to determine the actual number of fraudulent votes. We know that liberal groups and officials have been caught in relatively high numbers verses conservatives, but how many are involved since majority are never prosecuted is again unknown. Then the big but.... how accurate are the many university statically studies representing millions of fraudulent votes by liberals in 2016.
Based on dozens of studies, plus journalist investigations combined with voters caught or voter officials caught, I lean towards the speculation accross America and including illegal aliens it is not unreasonable to conclude 2-4 million fraudulent votes had been cast for hillary.

One last point, the individual that committes voter fraud likely is restricted from much beyond 1-20 fraudulent votes (my guess). Higher numbers are committed by small organized grass root groups, likely limited to geographic area's, but also it is likely that there are a far greater number of these group's than liberals independently would ever aggree with. Again speculation, but look how many tens of thousands organized in a matter of just hours, once it was realized Trump won the election.

Your comments of "federal " drivers license makes a great deal of sense and is actually in the works. Washington State offers an enhanced drivers license requiring the same identity standards as a passport. With said license, one can enter Canada or Mexico (no other countries ). It is my understanding that all states have been given a drop dead date to have their systems upgraded to an enhanced (federal) drivers license.

Your heads not in the sand after all, thanks for your reply

Take care

Your rationale makes sense of which I have no argu... (show quote)

Hey Jack,

Using your line of reasoning, again would project a light onto to Trump supporters and is just as unfair, to wit:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/11/mexican-woman-in-texas-sentenced-to-8-years-in-prison-for-voter-fraud.html

A Mexican citizen living in Texas was sentenced this week to eight years in prison for voting illegally in elections in 2012 and 2014.

Rosa Maria Ortega, 37, was found guilty Wednesday on two counts of illegal voting after she falsely claimed to be a United States citizen and voted at least five times between 2012 and 2014.

A jury sentenced her Thursday to eight years in prison and a $5,000 fine. She voted for Trump.

Using your line of reasoning all illegal voters voted for trump, because if you have 100 jaywalkers, you have 1000 more that didn't get caught.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

buffalo wrote:

Those perpetrating voter fraud for bitch clinton by allowing all those illegals to vote forgot about the electoral college, therefore they had them voting in the wrong states.

An excellent point.

straightUp Loc: California

Dummy Boy wrote:

An excellent point.

Well, it's certainly a fantasy you all wish was true.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

straightUp wrote:

Well, it's certainly a fantasy you all wish was true.

I'm not in support of the existence of voter fraud....Buffalo is dispelling the myth, by suggesting that if there had been so much voter fraud by Hillary, they did a lousy job of picking where those illegal votes should be perpetrated thus cast.

straightUp Loc: California

CounterRevolutionary wrote:

Apparently you did not read the text of the article. Are you suggesting that this simple house in South Carolina that received nearly 24,000 ITIN illegal aliens refunds was a tax accountant's office, and likewise those other 154 houses who received over 1000 tax refunds from ITIN illegal aliens? I suggest you read the full text of that article. Apparently, the US Treasury Inspector General thought differently. Please don't waste my time.

What article..? buffalo didn't even link to it. He just mentioned the fake news site it came from, which is all I needed to see what kind of source it is and let me tell you, extreme bias is very easy to recognize. The other thing is that these fake news items are designed to go viral, so it's easy to find numerous articles that propagate the lie and and the fact checkers that pick them apart, just by typing "2.1 million illegal votes" into Google.

for instance...this fact checker... http://www.factcheck.org/2016/10/trumps-bogus-voter-fraud-claims/
or this propagation of the lie ... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/15/nearly-2-million-non-citizen-hispanics-illegally-r/

Seriously, you don't even need the fact checker... It's easy to see how these false premises work just by reading what the liars have to say. The Washington Times article I linked to supports your claim, but when you read it you realize what they are basing it on... They don't actually say 2.1 illegal votes were cast. Here's how the Washington Times present the issue... "A large number of non-citizen Hispanics, as many as 2 million, were illegally registered to vote in the U.S., according to a nationwide poll." So, not according to ANY official arm of the government, but according to a poll conducted by two professors at Old Dominion University back in 2014.

If you're like me, you can search even further, looking for any official reports and sure enough there are some... In fact one of them is mentioned in the factcheck article I linked to... where it says... For example, in 2012 South Carolina’s attorney general notified the U.S. Department of Justice of potential voter fraud after finding 953 ballots cast in the 2010 election by voters listed as deceased, in some cases as long as six years. The finding ran in the Augusta Chronicle at the time in an Associated Press story under a headline, “South Carolina attorney general informs Justice Department of voter fraud.”
But a subsequent review by the State Election Commission found no evidence of fraud and that mostly the cases were clerical errors.

Anything like this... the slightest chance that their could be some evidence, instantly becomes a screaming headline and all the morons who are just waiting for it eat it all up because they so badly want it to be true.

And since buffalo didn't link to his specific source, I don't know about the "simple" house in South Carolina that received nearly 24,000 ITIN illegal aliens refunds. Google comes back with nothing. But I'm betting it's not a "simple" house and yes, if that "simple" house is actually receiving address for a company like H&R Block then yes, 24,000 ITINs could easily have been sent there.

So... until any of you maggots feeding off the feces of misinformation come up with anything substantial, stop wasting MY time.

straightUp Loc: California

Dummy Boy wrote:

I'm not in support of the existence of voter fraud....

Perhaps not in principal, but that's the whole point of the myth...to support the idea that something we don't want is actually happening that's what makes something outrageous. You don't want Muslims to establish Sharia Law in the U.S. either but right-wing media is telling you this is happening to enrage you. In this case, the lie becomes the basis for discrediting the votes you don't want to acknowledge because those votes support the fact that more American citizens voted against Trump than Hillary.

Games.

Dummy Boy wrote:

Buffalo is dispelling the myth, by suggesting that if there had been so much voter fraud by Hillary, they did a lousy job of picking where those illegal votes should be perpetrated thus cast.

Yes, buffalo is inadvertently dispelling the myth by highlighting the assumptions the myth is made from. I should pay him for the example he makes of himself.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

straightUp wrote:

Yes, buffalo is inadvertently dispelling the myth by highlighting the assumptions the myth is made from. I should pay him for the example he makes of himself.

I have made very clear to Jack, why I don't believe in voter fraud. They like to support with statistics, but it's like welfare fraud, the military budget is so out of wack with reality and fraud, but Fox News idiots are concerned about 70 million in welfare fraud in comparison.

It is arguable that it exists because it is plausible. But what is the motivation for a grand scale of millions of voters? Heck, we can't 20 to 30 year olds that are citizens to vote.

straightUp Loc: California

Dummy Boy wrote:

I have made very clear to Jack, why I don't believe in voter fraud. They like to support with statistics, but it's like welfare fraud, the military budget is so out of wack with reality and fraud, but Fox News idiots are concerned about 70 million in welfare fraud in comparison.

It is arguable that it exists because it is plausible. But what is the motivation for a grand scale of millions of voters? Heck, we can't 20 to 30 year olds that are citizens to vote.

I agree that it's plausible... In fact, there have been isolated cases in the past where it's been proven but such cases are extremely rare, which only proves that official authorities are indeed capable of finding fraud when it happens, and yet they've been silent about the entire 2016 election. That's because, official authorities need actual evidence.

I guess we just gotta deal with an idiot population being suckered by Republicans.

zelda

You are right common sense should tell anyone it is going on and has
been for a long time so it's about time it gets exposed to everyone because
the news channels will not cover it, when I voted this time I only showed them
my voter registration card I received in the mail they never asked me to prove
it was really me so in my opinion anyone could have used it! I also witnessed
faulty voting machines that defaulted back to Obama in 2012 so I have no doubts
that there is voter fraud and I think it is on a larger scale than we realize!

moldyoldy

zelda wrote:

You are right common sense should tell anyone it i... (show quote)

Did you sign in?

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

zelda wrote:

You are right common sense should tell anyone it i... (show quote)

It is equally plausible that is on a smaller scale....since you believe that you're a citizen.