Another Ruling for Equality (Page 3): The so called Christians always pick and choose which abominations they will respect. Sin is so subjective. Do you eat pork, or shell fish? Do you...

moldyoldy

no propaganda please wrote:

The florist and the caterer who refuse to service ... (show quote)

The so called Christians always pick and choose which abominations they will respect. Sin is so subjective. Do you eat pork, or shell fish? Do you wear different fabrics? How silly is that crap today.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

moldyoldy wrote:

The so called Christians always pick and choose which abominations they will respect. Sin is so subjective. Do you eat pork, or shell fish? Do you wear different fabrics? How silly is that crap today.

Those dietary and dress rules were for Jews, not Gentiles to separate God's chosen people from the rest. Why don't you read up on it, or read the posts from some of the Jewish people who post here. That concept has been explained here at least a dozen times on OPP. It doesn't suit your hate Christians agenda so you choose to ignore it.

Judaism 101: Kashrut: Jewish Dietary Laws
www.jewfaq.org/kashrut.htm

Basic overview of what the meaning of being kosher entails.
Jewish Food Laws-Year 7 - YouTube
www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtqlKxRhwls

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Kosher 101 The basic elements of Jewish dietary laws JewU 8 ...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6nrjC4r1zM

moldyoldy

no propaganda please wrote:

Those dietary and dress rules were for Jews, not G... (show quote)

Since Jesus was a jew, you should follow his lead, or consider yourself a heretic.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

no propaganda please wrote:

Those dietary and dress rules were for Jews, not G... (show quote)

You lost me at "God's chosen people". What self-aggrandizing arrogance!!!!

Loki Loc: Georgia

slatten49 wrote:

In affirming a lower court’s finding, the Supreme ... (show quote)

Whatever happened to "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof?" Since when do courts make law? I believe it was the Ninth that said Satanism, which denies the existence of God and condemns ALL religion, was a church. How can you be a church if you don't believe in religion? There is the hypocrisy. I am not a Christian, and I am not prejudiced against gays, but it seems that there is a different litmus test applied to certain Christian beliefs. I personally think that the gay couple deliberately picked this particular business because of their beliefs. I don't doubt there were a dozen other places that would have been glad to accommodate them.

Hogback

PaulPisces wrote:

So selling flowers to a Muslim wedding, or even an atheist wedding, doesn't compromise her Christian values, but for a same-sex couple it does? Another hypocrisy rears its head.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/florist-discrimination-gay-couple-washington-court.html?emc=edit_th_20170217&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=37695634&referer=

A judge in Texas refuses to do "straight" weddings is not considered against the law. SHE IS A PUBLIC SERVANT!!!! What a mess!

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

no propaganda please wrote:

The florist and the caterer who refuse to service ... (show quote)

They don't understand on purpose because it doesn't further their agenda.

If they admitted they understood, they'd open the door to expectations of more of the same, and to be guilty of exercising common sense is a negative for them. It removes part of the wall they hide behind.

Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere

no propaganda please wrote:

There is no evidence that a person is born with a same sex attraction. Even the epigenetic research shows no evidence of major influence, and no gene has ever been found that makes someone same sex attracted. thank goodness for that because the thousands of people who have gone through a same sex attracted period but have ultimately become opposite sex attracted would be proof that it does happen regularly.

Until science is able to correlate multiple loci of multiple alleles the question will be valid. However, to a Christian merchant there is no question.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Loki wrote:

Whatever happened to i "Congress shall make ... (show quote)

Loki, my friend, did the court define Satanism as you did above,or is it you own description? I myself think of Satanism as a religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

moldyoldy wrote:

Cesspool is full of the seven excrements.

Loki Loc: Georgia

PaulPisces wrote:

Loki, my friend, did the court define Satanism as you did above,or is it you own description? I myself think of Satanism as a religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

Satanism, in The Satanic Bible, describes itself as atheistic; calling itself Satanism as the ultimate rejection of religion and any Supreme Being. While they sometimes engage in "Satanic" rituals, they purport not to believe in them.

From Wiki....

"The religion is atheistic and materialist, rejecting the existence of supernatural beings, body-soul dualism, and life after death. Practitioners do not believe that the character of Satan literally exists and do not worship him. Instead, Satan is viewed as a positive archetype who represents pride, carnality, and enlightenment, and of a cosmos which Satanists perceive to be motivated by a "dark evolutionary force of entropy that permeates all of nature and provides the drive for survival and propagation inherent in all living things".[3] The Devil is embraced as a symbol of defiance against the Abrahamic faiths which LaVey criticized for what he saw as the suppression of humanity's natural instincts. Moreover, Satan also serves as a metaphorical external projection of the individual's godhood."

cesspool jones Loc: atlanta

PaulPisces wrote:

Loki, my friend, did the court define Satanism as you did above,or is it you own description? I myself think of Satanism as a religion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism

That's why when the SHTF, people like you will lose

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

PaulPisces wrote:

So selling flowers to a Muslim wedding, or even an atheist wedding, doesn't compromise her Christian values, but for a same-sex couple it does? Another hypocrisy rears its head.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/02/16/us/florist-discrimination-gay-couple-washington-court.html?emc=edit_th_20170217&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=37695634&referer=

Given the previous rulings by the Supreme Court this comes as no surprise.. They were upholding previous rulings vs the case in point...

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Loki wrote:

Satanism, in i The Satanic Bible, /i describes i... (show quote)

Thanks for clarifying for me , Loki. I guess I have seen too man bad TV shows and movies, I thought Satan was actually worshipped. Like most religions, I think Satanism seems like a lot of trouble to practice, and appears far too unpleasantly nihilistic for me.

PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco

Docadhoc wrote:

But you can't accept a religious based exception? Seems like a double standard.

To this person it appears that selling to homosexuals is acceptable but not when it is seen as a validation against God's law.

It is a thin line. It would seem that by doing this floral arrangement the proprioter felt it was such a validation.

But you cannot accept that. Therein lay the hypocrisy.

I have a very hard time with religious exception in this case, Doc.
I don't see how making a wedding cake for one group of "sinners" (those who have been divorced, those who have cheated on their spouses, those who INTEND to cheat on their spouses, opposite-sex couples who have already decided to have an open relationship) is not participating in a sinful act, yet baking a cake for a same-sex couple is. Now you may say the baker is unaware of the "sinful" nature of the former, but if it is truly an important issue for her then why would she not ascertain the status of each couple's sinfulness beforehand. Does ignorance of their status absolver her from complicity? If one of the guys had just asked for a cake with fanciful white frosting would that have been OK?

This discrimination is at the heart of the issue. Not to mention that when proprietors get their license to operate they are (or at least should be) fully aware of the non-discrimination laws in their community. The law is clear: what services one offers to any group must be offered to all equally.

How does one reconcile this kind of following of conscience with this New Testament directive from 1 Peter 2:13-17 :

13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority, 14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.

15 For such is the will of God that by doing right you may silence the ignorance of foolish men.

16 [Act] as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but [use it] as bondslaves of God. 17 Honor all men; love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the king.