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Feb 12, 2017 17:35:32   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
okie don wrote:
You didn't miss a thing Richard. My Dad fought on Iwo Jima WW Twice. I enlisted in Army. Got-R-Done. Returned to College. Army wanted me to "Re-up", go to "chopper school" in Waco. I said no thanks . Probably wouldn't be here now had I done so. 50% never made it home...


Okie Don, you have hit the sore spot. I am not too sure that with a huge manpower pool under arms our politicians won't become more bellicose and embroil us in more wars. Military service without the deaths and dismemberments seems fine but the reality is that no one comes back from combat unscathed. Murdering your fellow man is not a natural thing.

While I view my service in a positive light I also realize that I was incredibly fortunate in the timing. My tour figuratively was a stroll in the park; I had interesting work, adventure and a support infrastructure that I have never equaled when I had to work for a living.

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Feb 13, 2017 06:42:11   #
popparod Loc: Somewhere else.
 
okie don wrote:
Yep, 3 here too, just before Nam got 'Hot' in '65. 'Obie' missed out!!!(:


Dad came home from WWII with 3 Purple Hearts. One for each of his three sons. One spent 20 years in the Air Force, one never served and I am a 100% service connected disabled veteran. Even with a lifetime of pain I would do it again in a heartbeat. Enlisted in 65 when for most our senior trip was an all expense paid trip to Vietnam nam. Makes me laugh when someone complains about getting their feelings hurt. MOST panty waists today wouldn't last 10 minutes in the military of that era but America was a lot stronger then and people weren't confused about which bathroom to use.

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Feb 13, 2017 09:00:35   #
Alber
 
In my time the draft were for two years and the enlisted for three.

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Feb 13, 2017 09:06:42   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
pafret wrote:
I was one of those who were one and done, I enlisted at age seventeen and became a man overnight. The first indoctrination into military law and the severe penalties that would be incurred ended any childish foolishness. My service fortunately was between wars and I can truthfully say it benefited me greatly for my entire life. Those 3 years were the best investment I ever made.

I have been an advocate of universal military service ever since. For those who are not brain dead it teaches you what it means and how to be a citizen. If, like Switzerland, they supplied you with a weapon on separation it would also go a long way towards pacifying our country.
I was one of those who were one and done, I enlis... (show quote)


I also served peace time. The smartest move of my life as well.

I agree with the benefits of service, to country and serviceman. But I'm still leaning against compulsory service

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Feb 13, 2017 11:02:34   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Super Dave wrote:
I also served peace time. The smartest move of my life as well.

I agree with the benefits of service, to country and serviceman. But I'm still leaning against compulsory service



I am ambivalent, while the discipline and rigorous training would be beneficial, the possibilities for political abuse are endless. Perhaps a two tier military, one year in a military organization, which is not permitted to go into combat, followed by a six or seven year tour in the National Guard at home. The government would not be permitted to draft these people except in time of a declaration of war by the Congress, not police actions or UN interventions.

The regular military would continue to be staffed as usual and if any of the one year trainees wanted to transition they could do so with no loss of time or grade.

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Feb 13, 2017 11:06:00   #
jer48 Loc: perris ca
 
okie don wrote:
Ditto- 3 yrs long enuf 4 me too.(:


same here

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Feb 13, 2017 14:02:01   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
I served 59-62. Drafted, Ended up in Personnel of an Engineer Battalion. 2 years active reserves, 2 years inactive.
Did what was asked of me & was promoted in a timely fashion.

Didn't know if I could ever kill some one & was glad to have never faced the real issue.
In training did come to realized that in a combat situation would fire back in the hope of turning back any opposition.

Blood pressure was high during induction for a couple of days (I drank a bit too much) Decided to just cut back & serve my time.

Was on alert to ship out with in 24 hours. After getting ready loading up to go never left the Battalion staging area

This was during the Berlin Crisis. That qualified for action during war. I don't really know what that meant.
I as the driver of the sections 21/2 ton truck hauled empty wood crates. I had the task of driving that hydraulic transmission truck up hills with the tedious down shifting & up shifting. I guess that was the existent of my war experience.

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Feb 13, 2017 14:34:31   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
padremike wrote:
What could compulsory/mandatory two years of military service accomplish for the good of the nation? Two years spent in training, probably separated from the professional military; exceptions for those who wish to join. Two years of citizenship training, history, learning a skill, etc. Things they never learn in school. Daily military formations for raising and lowering the flag. You can't take a knee in the military when the National Anthem is played.

One thing for certain, we'd cull out a lot of cupcakes and snowflakes. They'd leave America like cockroaches when the Orkin Man approaches.
What could compulsory/mandatory two years of milit... (show quote)



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Feb 13, 2017 16:55:20   #
Big dog
 
pafret wrote:
I am ambivalent, while the discipline and rigorous training would be beneficial, the possibilities for political abuse are endless. Perhaps a two tier military, one year in a military organization, which is not permitted to go into combat, followed by a six or seven year tour in the National Guard at home. The government would not be permitted to draft these people except in time of a declaration of war by the Congress, not police actions or UN interventions.

The regular military would continue to be staffed as usual and if any of the one year trainees wanted to transition they could do so with no loss of time or grade.
I am ambivalent, while the discipline and rigorous... (show quote)

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Feb 13, 2017 17:53:36   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I served 59-62. Drafted, Ended up in Personnel of an Engineer Battalion. 2 years active reserves, 2 years inactive.
Did what was asked of me & was promoted in a timely fashion.

Didn't know if I could ever kill some one & was glad to have never faced the real issue.
In training did come to realized that in a combat situation would fire back in the hope of turning back any opposition.

Blood pressure was high during induction for a couple of days (I drank a bit too much) Decided to just cut back & serve my time.

Was on alert to ship out with in 24 hours. After getting ready loading up to go never left the Battalion staging area

This was during the Berlin Crisis. That qualified for action during war. I don't really know what that meant.
I as the driver of the sections 21/2 ton truck hauled empty wood crates. I had the task of driving that hydraulic transmission truck up hills with the tedious down shifting & up shifting. I guess that was the existent of my war experience.
I served 59-62. Drafted, Ended up in Personnel of ... (show quote)


Floyd, I had a hell of a good time in the military. I went to Signal School for Radar and Missile Guidance Repair for 9 months. Got posted to White Sands proving ground. Numerous trips to Juarez Mexico, mountain climbing, boon docking in the New Mexican National forests, trips to Carlsbad Caverns and White Sands National park. I bummed around in El Paso and Las Cruces and followed the Trail of Billy the Kid through his old stamping grounds in Old Mesilla park.

I was a Science Fiction buff and I worked on radars primarily, and missile firings, Wac Corporals, Honest Johns, Nike's Able to Zeus, Hawks, Talos, and Falcon missiles. I watched at least a thousand Missile firings some guided at drone planes (B17) and others just Ballistic rockets. Met Werner Von Braun, became an early member of the American Rocket Society (Now Defunct).

Spent a lot of weekends exploring old mines and remote interior areas in northern New Mexico. Most of the trails we followed were labeled primitive which meant you brought shovels, guns and dynamite because you might have to build part of the road yourself.

"Volunteered" (the usual military volunteer) for the International Geophysical Year (IGY) Expedition at Ft Churchill Canada. We built our buildings, installed the radars, generators, optical trackers, plotting boards and site wiring. We installed most of the equipment in the Missile firing Silo. Then we provided tech support for various Universities Field teams, doing High Altitude research via Aerobee-Hi rockets fired into the Van Allen Belts with various payloads. We tracked the rockets with our Radars and provided positional data for their use in analysis of findings.

Did some skiing, hid from Polar bears, and learned first hand why you don't build fires on the tundra to burn off trash. Three weeks of constant monitoring to get it out. A lot of eating and working and even a little drinking, there was always something interesting to do. I jumped two grades in 6 months and ended up a Staff Sgt. (E6).

All in all, The good stuff outweighed the bad. I would have stayed in except I took stock of my proclivities and I realized that I was a Class A F---Up and sooner or later I was going to end up in the stockade or Federal prison. There are just too many draconian punishments for every infraction and no mercy whatever. The military was no place for anyone who rebels against authority and that was me to a T.

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Feb 13, 2017 18:19:11   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
pafret wrote:
Floyd, I had a hell of a good time in the military. I went to Signal School for Radar and Missile Guidance Repair for 9 months. Got posted to White Sands proving ground. Numerous trips to Juarez Mexico, mountain climbing, boon docking in the New Mexican National forests, trips to Carlsbad Caverns and White Sands National park. I bummed around in El Paso and Las Cruces and followed the Trail of Billy the Kid through his old stamping grounds in Old Mesilla park.

I was a Science Fiction buff and I worked on radars primarily, and missile firings, Wac Corporals, Honest Johns, Nike's Able to Zeus, Hawks, Talos, and Falcon missiles. I watched at least a thousand Missile firings some guided at drone planes (B17) and others just Ballistic rockets. Met Werner Von Braun, became an early member of the American Rocket Society (Now Defunct).

Spent a lot of weekends exploring old mines and remote interior areas in northern New Mexico. Most of the trails we followed were labeled primitive which meant you brought shovels, guns and dynamite because you might have to build part of the road yourself.

"Volunteered" (the usual military volunteer) for the International Geophysical Year (IGY) Expedition at Ft Churchill Canada. We built our buildings, installed the radars, generators, optical trackers, plotting boards and site wiring. We installed most of the equipment in the Missile firing Silo. Then we provided tech support for various Universities Field teams, doing High Altitude research via Aerobee-Hi rockets fired into the Van Allen Belts with various payloads. We tracked the rockets with our Radars and provided positional data for their use in analysis of findings.

Did some skiing, hid from Polar bears, and learned first hand why you don't build fires on the tundra to burn off trash. Three weeks of constant monitoring to get it out. A lot of eating and working and even a little drinking, there was always something interesting to do. I jumped two grades in 6 months and ended up a Staff Sgt. (E6).

All in all, The good stuff outweighed the bad. I would have stayed in except I took stock of my proclivities and I realized that I was a Class A F---Up and sooner or later I was going to end up in the stockade or Federal prison. There are just too many draconian punishments for every infraction and no mercy whatever. The military was no place for anyone who rebels against authority and that was me to a T.
Floyd, I had a hell of a good time in the military... (show quote)


The question begs yo be asked..........once you returned to civilian status did you ever spend time in the lockup?

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Feb 13, 2017 18:26:59   #
badbobby Loc: texas
 
eden wrote:
I agree. A year at least of National Service of some kind on graduating from high school would be excellent medicine for the disproportionate percentage of sniveling self entitled cell phone gazers that passes for today's youth. Hmmmm I sound like my father....😀



sounding like your father??
so he finally got through to you
good for him

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Feb 13, 2017 20:26:01   #
cesspool jones Loc: atlanta
 
padremike wrote:
What could compulsory/mandatory two years of military service accomplish for the good of the nation? Two years spent in training, probably separated from the professional military; exceptions for those who wish to join. Two years of citizenship training, history, learning a skill, etc. Things they never learn in school. Daily military formations for raising and lowering the flag. You can't take a knee in the military when the National Anthem is played.

One thing for certain, we'd cull out a lot of cupcakes and snowflakes. They'd leave America like cockroaches when the Orkin Man approaches.
What could compulsory/mandatory two years of milit... (show quote)


re-institute the draft

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Feb 13, 2017 20:30:47   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
cesspool jones wrote:
re-institute the draft


My only concern is that what's graduating from our schools today for the most part need to be kept segregated from the professional soldier for at least a year.

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Feb 13, 2017 20:30:55   #
Big dog
 
cesspool jones wrote:
re-institute the draft


Hear Here !

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