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Feb 3, 2017 19:09:57   #
emarine
 
eagleye13 wrote:
"the force of gravity is straight down & Kinetic energy goes wherever it wants..." - emarine
Yep.

The 911 False Flag Attacks were used to get America in the Middle East mess. That is why the truth must be exposed and the perpetrators brought to justice:
Why is 911 not worthy of a true unbiased scientific investigation and analysis?
Over 2,200 Architects and Engineers have signed the petition asking for a real investigation. http://www.ae911truth.org/
Everything all Americans should know about 911 in under 5 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=A_IZaUuK_d0
Compiled footage of Building 7 collapse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p34XrI2Fm6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nQrpLp-X0ws
Who still has confidence in the MSM?
Is this important? IMHO YES. 911 resulted in the never ending wars in the Middle East. These “wars” have cost America $Trillions of unpayable “debt”, thousands of lives, and many more thousands of ruined lives.
"the force of gravity is straight down & ... (show quote)




why is it that troofers always have to complicate simple things with a massive amounts of bullshit... bottom line is...Forces and energy are completely different, because energy is a component of force; a force is never part of energy

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Feb 3, 2017 19:18:22   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
emarine wrote:
why is it that troofers always have to complicate simple things with a massive amounts of bullshit... bottom line is...Forces and energy are completely different, because energy is a component of force; a force is never part of energy


Sir I. Newton figured that out in the 18th century. Pain in the rump still doesn't get it.

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Feb 3, 2017 19:28:17   #
emarine
 
peter11937 wrote:
Sir I. Newton figured that out in the 18th century. Pain in the rump still doesn't get it.


But it seems that he thinks he has a working knowledge of quantum mechanics but can't comprehend Newton's basic laws, same for some of his "experts" on YouTube

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Feb 3, 2017 20:34:21   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
You're still clueless...so once again... ENERGY or WORK is the result of FORCE. ... If an object has no energy, it cannot do any work. Forces and energy are completely different, because energy is a component of force; a force is never part of energy. Kinetic energy is energy because it is used to make the object move; in other words make it do some work


This is a prime example of what anonymous shills are paid to do . . . obfuscation. Muddy up the conversation with statements which may be true on the surface but do not apply to what is being discussed. It's obvious from the photo that explosives supplied the energy. Since that is irrefutable, the only recourse is to obfuscate.

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Feb 3, 2017 20:39:59   #
payne1000
 


Peter, the fact is the towers did not have prolonged burning as your cover-up operatives claim. The first tower to fall burned less than an hour and firemen who reached the 78th floor radioed out that the fires were almost out and could be extinguished with two hand lines. Read your propaganda before posting it and you won't be embarrassed as often.

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Feb 3, 2017 20:43:43   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
why is it that troofers always have to complicate simple things with a massive amounts of bullshit... bottom line is...Forces and energy are completely different, because energy is a component of force; a force is never part of energy


Explosive force supplies the energy.
You attempt to cloud that obvious fact by parsing words.
I don't blame you for that.
Defending lies this big is an impossible task.

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Feb 3, 2017 20:45:36   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
But it seems that he thinks he has a working knowledge of quantum mechanics but can't comprehend Newton's basic laws, same for some of his "experts" on YouTube


All of us who support the truth give our real names.
You refuse to give yours.
Doesn't that fact reveal who is telling the truth and who is lying?

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Feb 3, 2017 20:47:15   #
payne1000
 
peter11937 wrote:
Sir I. Newton figured that out in the 18th century. Pain in the rump still doesn't get it.


Peter, you haven't answered my question as to why you think it is dangerous to give your real name on this forum.

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Feb 3, 2017 20:48:12   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
This is a prime example of what anonymous shills are paid to do . . . obfuscation. Muddy up the conversation with statements which may be true on the surface but do not apply to what is being discussed. It's obvious from the photo that explosives supplied the energy. Since that is irrefutable, the only recourse is to obfuscate.



The most basic physical laws are complicated by those who simply don't understand ... potential energy + gravity= energy ...the bigger they are the harder they fall... & that's as simple as it gets... now you can baffle us with your bullshit putz...

I am putz with bomb
I am putz with bomb...

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Feb 3, 2017 20:51:41   #
payne1000
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
What explosions?

A photograph is subject to interpretation, interpretation depends on perception, perception is a function of the psyche, the function of the psyche is determined by many psychological factors. If someone is suffering some sort of mental dysfunction or instability, or whose perceptions have surrendered completely to an external influence--such as a conspiracy theory--there is no limit to kinds of misinterpretations and erroneous perceptions that can occur. Take the Rorschach test for example, no two people see exactly the same thing in any specific "ink blot".

Whatever occurred to twist your thinking, your interpretation of your favorite photograph has nothing to do with what was actually happening when the photo was taken. Offering the photo alone as definitive proof of what you believe is happening is indicative of a dysfunctional psyche. You reject in toto the overwhelming hard evidence, the forensics and scientific analyses, and the history of the Islamic terror attacks on 9/11. You cannot refute a single thing that challenges your fictional creation. You won't even take an objective look at any information or data that challenges, and most likely debunks, your theory. And so you sweep it all aside and rationalize your denial with completely irrelevant, meaningless babble about the anonymity of the messengers.and their sources.
What explosions? br br A photograph is subject t... (show quote)


Why does everyone in the truth movement reveal their real identity and most of those in the cover-up operation such as yourself hide behind cowardly anonymity?
Don't you realize that by refusing to identify yourself, you are indicating to readers that you don't want the lies you post here to be connected to you personally?

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Feb 3, 2017 20:54:52   #
payne1000
 
emarine wrote:
The most basic physical laws are complicated by those who simply don't understand ... potential energy + gravity= energy ...the bigger the are the harder they fall... & that's as simple as it gets... now you can baffle us with your bullshit putz...


Potential energy and gravity cause heavy objects to fall straight down. That's not what happened with the twin towers.
Take another look . . .



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Feb 3, 2017 20:58:41   #
emarine
 
payne1000 wrote:
Why does everyone in the truth movement reveal their real identity and most of those in the cover-up operation such as yourself hide behind cowardly anonymity?
Don't you realize that by refusing to identify yourself, you are indicating to readers that you don't want the lies you post here to be connected to you personally?



don't you realize to those who understand the basic physical laws you are an idiot... my name has nothing to do with anything ... I didn't make the laws... Sir Isaac Newton did... that's not me... I'm E

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Feb 3, 2017 21:13:01   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
eagleye13 wrote:


The 911 False Flag Attacks were used to get America in the Middle East mess. That is why the truth must be exposed and the perpetrators brought to justice:
Why is 911 not worthy of a true unbiased scientific investigation and analysis?
911 resulted in the never ending wars in the Middle East. These “wars” have cost America $Trillions of unpayable “debt”, thousands of lives, and many more thousands of ruined lives.

Bullshit. Islam has been at war for 1400 years. Ever since Mohammed, the prophet, began killing Jews and Christians in Medina because they wouldn't convert, Islam has been at war. When the Sunni/Shia schism emerged, Muslims began killing each other. Islam has murdered 292 million people since its founding. That 9/11 was a government conspiracy designed to get us into "never ending wars in the Middle East" is absolute horseshit.

There are many unbiased investigations and data analyses of 9/11 done by scientists and engineers in private institutions everywhere.

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Feb 3, 2017 21:49:30   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
payne1000 wrote:
Potential energy and gravity cause heavy objects to fall straight down. That's not what happened with the twin towers.
Take another look . . .
Yeah, we've seen it a thousand times. Looks like everything is falling down to me. I don't see anything falling up.

FYI: Potential energy does not cause anything. It just is. It's like a car parked in a garage, it doesn't do anything but just sit there until the PE is converted to KE when the engine is started and the car moves. And, heavy objects under the pull of gravity don't always fall straight down. Ever seen an avalanche? Or even a boulder rolling down a mountain? When fixed objects are in the path of a falling object, the falling object can be deflected, it's direction changed. Like the upper collapsing floors of a building hitting the lower floors, meeting some resistance, and getting deflected.

I'll see if I can find the article in which a demolition engineer and his team calculated the minimum explosive load necessary to accomplish what the truthers claim was done in the towers. If, as the truthers claim it was done, it would have required at least 150 tons of dynamite per tower. (I think I posted this article a couple times in these 9/11 conspiracy threads, but as usual, you chose to ignore it.) In addition, the engineers calculated the potential energy contained in the towers (they do this for every project, it provides the necessary data for an accurate assessment of the amount of explosives they will need to do the job.) They then calculated the kinetic energy generated in the collapse of one tower--omitting of course any explosive involvement. Not surprising that the kinetic energy released in the progressive collapse of one tower exceeded by far the kinetic energy that 150 tons of dynamite would produce. Once the collapse began, there was no stopping it. No explosives were necessary to bring down the towers.

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Feb 3, 2017 21:54:35   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
Yes, here's another with visual aid. http://911-engineers.blogspot.com/

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