Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Good find, peter, somehow I missed that one in all my searches.

I found this quite enlightening:

Only a handful of architects and engineers question the NIST Report, but they have never come up with an alternative. Although at first blush it may seem impressive that these people don't believe the NIST Report, remember that there are 123,000 members of ASCE(American Society of Civil Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 80,000 members of AIA(American Institute of Architects) who do not question the NIST Report.

Although their field of expertise is not related to the construction of buildings - they don't seem to have a problem with that over at AE911truth - there are also 120,000 members of ASME(American Society of Mechanical Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 370,000 members of IEEE(Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) who do not question the NIST report. There are also 40,000 members of AIChE(American Institute of Chemical Engineers) who do not question the NIST Report. There are also 35,000 members of AIAA (American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics) who do not question the NIST report. So who would you rather believe? That comes to .75 million engineers. Oops!

When you look at the long list of Affected Standards and Codes and the Recommendations for improvements, it gives you a clear picture of all the areas in the WTC tower design and construction that were deficient or substandard to begin with.

peter11937 Loc: NYS

I was going to college in NYC when construction was started. After it was done, I was there a time or two . Frankly I never expected to outlive those buildings. I lost one friend that day and, as a twist of fate, another friend was spared. She worked for Canter Fitzgerald and that floor was wiped out. She had an early meeting uptown and was just coming out of the Wall St. Subway stop when the plane hit....right on her floor. She lost all her co-workers in that instant. The friend I lost was Linda Gronlund, who died in the field in Shanksville PA... I am sure there were other casual people who were firefighters and/or cops that I would occasionally golf with who simply stopped dropping by who lost their lives there too. The toll has passed 3,000 this year as the pre mature deaths from lung disease continues to rise from breathing the cement and wallboard dust....

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Sorry about that, peter, it was a terrible experience for thousands. A terrible day for all of us.

Maybe you have visited this site: Flight 93 National Memorial

payne1000

These are some of the people who understand basic physical laws. They all reveal their identities because they know that without their identity being revealed they would have no credibility. The thousands who are listed on these websites are brave patriots, not cowardly traitorous shills such as yourself.

http://www.ae911truth.org/

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://911scholars.org/

http://www.scientistsfor911truth.org/

http://web.archive.org/web/20110911032318/firefightersfor911truth.org/

http://mp911truth.org/

http://www.mo911truth.org/

http://www.actorsandartistsfor911truth.org/

http://www.whodidit.org/

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

http://www.mujca.com/

payne1000

[quote=Blade_Runner]Yeah, we've seen it a thousand times. Looks like everything is falling down to me. I don't see anything falling up. Look again. Can't you see all the debris being ejected sideways and even upward? What caused the huge explosive debris clouds? Explosive debris clouds don't form unless explosives are used.

FYI: Potential energy does not cause anything. It just is. It's like a car parked in a garage, it doesn't do anything but just sit there until the PE is converted to KE when the engine is started and the car moves. And, heavy objects under the pull of gravity don't always fall straight down. Ever seen an avalanche? Or even a boulder rolling down a mountain? When fixed objects are in the path of a falling object, the falling object can be deflected, it's direction changed. Like the upper collapsing floors of a building hitting the lower floors, meeting some resistance, and getting deflected. A boulder rolling down a mountain builds up speed before it can be deflected any distance. The top floors of the towers would not have been able to build up any speed since they fell only about 20 feet before they should have met solid resistance from the undamaged floors below. They did not meet any resistance because the lower floors were taken out by explosives. The videos show the explosions very clearly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dueVm1UGvXo

I'll see if I can find the article in which a demolition engineer and his team calculated the minimum explosive load necessary to accomplish what the truthers claim was done in the towers. If, as the truthers claim it was done, it would have required at least 150 tons of dynamite per tower. I've never claimed dynamite was used to bring the towers down. Dynamite has been around since the 1860s. There are much more powerful explosives available today which don't weigh nearly what dynamite weighs. The most likely material used in the towers is a new thermite explosive which is capable of pulverizing concrete to dust. This new thermite was developed by Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories which is operated by the government. (I think I posted this article a couple times in these 9/11 conspiracy threads, but as usual, you chose to ignore it.) In addition, the engineers calculated the potential energy contained in the towers (they do this for every project, it provides the necessary data for an accurate assessment of the amount of explosives they will need to do the job.) They then calculated the kinetic energy generated in the collapse of one tower--omitting of course any explosive involvement. Not surprising that the kinetic energy released in the progressive collapse of one tower exceeded by far the kinetic energy that 150 tons of dynamite would produce. Once the collapse began, there was no stopping it. No explosives were necessary to bring down the towers. If that's the case, why were explosives used?

payne1000

The website Peter linked has something in common with most of the other cover-up websites you have posted. The author of the blog does not identify himself.
Like you, he prefers his identity not be linked to the lies he is posting.

payne1000

If you really knew people who died on 9/11, think how they would feel about you covering up for the mass murderers who were responsible for the horrible way in which they died.

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"When you look at the long list of Affected Standards and Codes and the Recommendations for improvements, it gives you a clear picture of all the areas in the WTC tower design and construction that were deficient or substandard to begin with."

Building 7?

Compiled footage of Building 7 collapse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p34XrI2Fm6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nQrpLp-X0ws
Who still has confidence in the MSM?
Is this important? IMHO YES. 911 resulted in never ending messes created in the Middle East. It has cost America $Trillions of unpayable “debt” and thousands of lives. Many ruined lives.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Yeah, Building 7. It collapsed. Weird how that happened. Maybe it was because building 7 was built kind of weird. You know, 6th floor transverse trusses and cantilevers to accommodate the ConEd station underneath. Then there was that thing about heavy damage from tower debris and fires that couldn't be fought. I reckon you anti-America truther loons will never let go of your fictional drama and get a grip on reality.

Apart from that, you might benefit from reading up on the history of the ME and Islam. It would give you the proper perspective. Your hate America meme is not only insulting, it has become very boring. Same horseshit over and over and over.

I have asked truthers many times to explain how they think the twin towers and WTC 7 were rigged for explosive demolition. Since they defend this theory without a shred of evidence and rely solely on speculation (and, of course, the opinions of many pros who obviously have butchered science to support the theory), I thought that at least one truther could provide some idea of the process with which the WTC buildings were prepped for implosion. Since truthers claim to observe explosions occurring on every floor at the collapse front, this implies that the project would have required a phenomenal effort to achieve such a thing. Some truthers even try to prove the theory with a single photograph, but this attempt only shows a level of ignorance that defies all reason.

Each of the twin towers consisted of approx 110 acres (10 million square feet) of floor space--each floor held approx 70,000 cubic feet of air. One tower had 12 miles of core columns and about 60 miles of hollow box steel perimeter columns. In order to accommodate an efficient elevator system, each tower was divided into 3 sections, separated by sky lobbies on the 44th and 78th floors. 24 local elevators served each section and 8 express elevators ran to the 44th floor Skylobby, 11 express elevators to the 78th floor Skylobby. Two additional express elevators went from the Concourse to the top floors of the Tower. A total of 93 elevators, each of which with its own machinery and heavy lube tanks located on 5 separate floors up through each section. The express elevators were run with very heavy machinery and lube tanks located in the core at the 44th, 78th, and the roof.

In addition to the elevator systems, the core also contained all the stairwells, electrical systems, electronics, phone systems, water supply, and all the rest rooms on every floor. This unique situation would present a demolition crew with some very challenging problems.

Apparently, truthers refuse to research the art and science of building demolition, they make no attempt to apply an objective approach to explaining their theory. And so they have missed, or intentionally ignored, what in the real world of building implosions are critical to a successful demolition. Without getting into the details, just the building prep alone, even before the installation of the explosives, is a long and detailed process--lots of very intrusive work involved. And, if as the truthers claim, there were explosive charges installed at every floor, the project would have been impossible to accomplish. It wouldn't matter how professional or well-trained such a demolition crew was, they could not have achieved what truthers claim they did.

So how about it? Any of you truthers want to take a shot. If you can provide a scenario of how this was done, something actually feasible, believable, convincing, then I'm all ears.

The art of demolition: Bringing down a multi-storey structure is a process as scientific as it is creative

Preparing a building for implosion

The 5 Stages of the building demolition process

Demolition Stages

Stage 1: Safety measures
Stage 2: Preparatory Dismantling
Stage 3: Supply and installation of explosives
Stage 4: Explosion
Stage 5: Material Handling and Recycling

payne1000

All the planning and expertise you list shows how difficult it is to cause a skyscraper to fall straight down into its footprint.
If the same result could be accomplished by damaging a few floors on one side and then setting small fires inside, then the business of controlled demolition would be much simpler. The botched demolition on this video shows what would have happened to WTC7 if damage to one side could have caused it to fall: https://youtu.be/QP2pIwE4LLM

eagleye13 Loc: Fl

"Then there was that thing about heavy damage from tower debris and fires that couldn't be fought."
You bought that BS?
Very small fires!!! ANd symetrical freefall!! You bought that???
Then to top it of;Silverstein admitted; "Then they made the decision to pull it"
Compiled footage of Building 7 collapse:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=p34XrI2Fm6I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWorDrTC0Qg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nQrpLp-X0ws
Who still has confidence in the MSM?

payne1000

Number 7 on this video shows what would have happened if it had been possible for the Twin Towers to fall from fire damage.
The huge center core of the towers would have remained standing as the center core on this tower did.
https://youtu.be/XHcCbY2wY38

The twin tower center core was like a building inside a building.

Ricktloml

It is true that there were millions more non Jews killed in the death camps than Jews. However I believe the Holoaust is told from the Jewish perspective because Hitler believed the Jews as a race, (biologically) were inferior and must be wiped out. Yes Hitler killed those who opposed him, but the he thought he had a biological imperative to destroy ALL Jews. And that IMHO is the difference

amadjuster Loc: Texas Panhandle

How did a topic on Holocaust numbers get hijacked into a 9/11 Troopher rant?

payne1000

The common thread is . . . both events were colossal lies.