Dr.Dross

In either case, he is proven wrong. The initial protest by WH was a staged and inaccurate photo contrast of 2009 Obama and 2017 Trump, where Trump asked the agency to dispute that evidence. But who cares about actual numbers? What's a half million or more here and there. It is his obsession with greatness. "Landslide electoral victory" he claimed that was actually in the lower fifth of all presidential elections. And if he had not wisely planned for an electoral victory and campaigned in other states he would have won the popular vote as well. And then the claim of 3 to 5 million illegal votes, all for Hillary--all for Hillary, that would have given him the popular vote. You do not see something disturbingly maniacal in this obsession?

CounterRevolutionary

Dross, consider that Trump is right on; the IRS doles out millions of Tax ID Numbers to aliens, which can be compared to motor/voter registrations and SOS voter registration polls, thus exposing the massive voter fraud going down right now. True The Vote is heading the investigation under Trump's request. These are the Tea Party (Catherine Engelbrecht) advocates the IRS tried to shut down.

Let me help you do the math. It is estimated that there are 15% of illegal aliens registered to vote on the Democrat Party data-base. With an estimated presence of 20-30 million illegal aliens, (the US Census of 2010 only counted 11 million) that would tally approximately 4.5 million fraudulent ballots.

You need to understand that the vast number of Americans do not want the socialist agenda of the Democrat Party, which is on its way out, once and for all.

As for Mnuchin, wait till he Audits the Fed. The past 100 years of Progressive Democrat, Woodrow Wilson's communist Central Bank's thievery from us workers will be brought to light. That's right, the stupid Democrats have been picking their own pockets under this giant inflation machine for a full century and can't figure out why they are poor. Trump is going to save this country, like it or not. Mnuchin is a "defector" from Goldman Sachs. Don't say I didn't tell ya so.

Dr.Dross

I have commented on Liberal posts here, at some expense, that they wait for a complete investigation of possible voter fraud before judgment. I need no help with the math. I would not have cautioned the Left without studying.

You need to understand you are absolutely wrong that American citizens do not want a socialist agenda, though not by definition. In the last financial crisis of 2008, many respected studies found that if not for Seniors on Social Security, this nation would surely have gone under. If not for SNAP and other social programs after the Bush 2008 financial crisis, with millions needlessly displaced from their home and losing their jobs, millions could have starved, not unlike the Potato Famine in Ireland. Socialism, in the form we have it here in a Republic, is vibrant to our economy. But socialism is the wrong word for what is happening in America: it is a welfare state. Listen to the word: welfare, meaning we care and look after our own. Socialism is "a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole." It will never happen here, not with the Kochs and Trump and others. And it is not happening now. The word "socialism" is loathsome and totally irrelevant in America. Social programs (welfare) are not socialism.

Mnuchin may be what you claim. Too early to say. I am one that believes a tiger does not change its stripes, but I have on, er, rare occasion, been wrong. Let's see what really happens--with our eyes open! As to "the stupid Democrats have been picking their own pockets under this giant inflation machine for a full century," I am clueless and take your word for it.

CounterRevolutionary

Dross, you write: "But socialism is the wrong word for what is happening in America: it is a welfare state. Listen to the word: welfare, meaning we care and look after our own. Socialism is "a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole." It will never happen here, not with the Kochs and Trump and others. And it is not happening now. The word "socialism" is loathsome and totally irrelevant in America. Social programs (welfare) are not socialism."

I have never heard of such rationalization!
"Welfare for the masses is the alibi of tyrants" quote Albert Camus, who woke up one day and recognized the condescending arrogance of French colonialist/communist President DeGaul. It is time for all the liberal dingbats to wake up and figure out this bate and switch game.

Social Security was designed to be the glitch in our economy to keep the poor, poor, and propertyless and economically segregated. We need to reform SS away from the Pay-as-you-Go system to an Investment System like the Chileans have, created in our own names under our own bank accounts, not managed by the government. Congress has spent every last FICA penny, treating FICA tax revenue like all other income taxes, peed down a rat-hole. We seniors have been ripped off big-time, 15% of our life work gone poof in the night. Putting an entire nation on welfare is no solution to enabling the vast majority of the public to be self reliant who are not handicapped. Your welfare state is a waste of money and resources, demeaning humanity, hammering all down to the lowest common denominator, like an ant farm.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I have read about the Chilean system. I agree with much that you say. At least give our young workers a choice.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

I agree to a point. The media is equally and personally "obsessed" with Trump. That is part of the equation you left out.