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Jan 24, 2017 00:25:58   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
"He will meet plenty of hurdles in trying to stay true to his pledges but I remain optimistic that he will.." His pledge to "drain the swamp" has been betrayed from day one and before. The company he singled out as being "the revolving door" of corruption in Washington, lambasted Cruz and Hillary for having any connection to them, he has given key appointments and nominations in his administration. His main donor is a Goldman Sachs alum who he gave a major advisory position. How much evidence do you need? But you guys explain away his choices despite his adamant and vociferous denunciation and condemnation of Goldman Sachs as an enemy of the people. LOOK IT UP, for crying out loud.
"He will meet plenty of hurdles in trying to ... (show quote)


I understand your confusion and concerns.. I've also vetted his choices, as disclosed, and yes I do have some concern over a couple but am for the most part, content in his choices...

President Trump's hurdles will come in fighting the progressive globalist that look to take over for that One World Order that is real, whether you believe it or not ...

YOUR Soros, Goldman Sachs, Gates. Et al, are the real enemy to every nation they look to monopolize...
That is his fight, Dr . And because of that to have a few more of their likes on his side just may work to his advantage and if not, he is free to replace them..You'very heard that ~keep your friends close and your enemy closer, I'm sure...

Now I don't know what his motives are to some but if you strategize the choices and not just vet them you may see more than just the person chosen...

I choose Trump and until he proves otherwise I will give him time to accomplish and support him through it..

You've read my posts here and know what I think about his first few days in office as well as before even entering the WhiteHouse...He hit the floor running on jobs, GM announcing they will be investing a billion dollars in business here is a damn good start up..Not to mention Ford, yes, I know you'll say that was planned before Trump, and carriers 1000 jobs he's keeping here is really nothing.....Tell me, did BO ever try to do as Trump did?
Are jobs and economy the mainstay of the country??

Is he building the wall? Does he already have countries agreeing the NAFTA is a joke and has to be changed? Your bet it does and will be.. What country then benefits after our years of getting screwed over with it..???

In closing I'll only say I will watch closely and if Trump doesn't do, then I'll be right there to take him out of office as quickly as he went in.. Given the sentiments and absolute disgust in politicians, politics and criminal hill you can bet so will many others.....

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Jan 24, 2017 02:28:47   #
Dr.Dross
 
lindajoy wrote:
I understand your confusion and concerns.. I've also vetted his choices, as disclosed, and yes I do have some concern over a couple but am for the most part, content in his choices...

President Trump's hurdles will come in fighting the progressive globalist that look to take over for that One World Order that is real, whether you believe it or not ...

YOUR Soros, Goldman Sachs, Gates. Et al, are the real enemy to every nation they look to monopolize...
That is his fight, Dr . And because of that to have a few more of their likes on his side just may work to his advantage and if not, he is free to replace them..You'very heard that ~keep your friends close and your enemy closer, I'm sure...

Now I don't know what his motives are to some but if you strategize the choices and not just vet them you may see more than just the person chosen...

I choose Trump and until he proves otherwise I will give him time to accomplish and support him through it..

You've read my posts here and know what I think about his first few days in office as well as before even entering the WhiteHouse...He hit the floor running on jobs, GM announcing they will be investing a billion dollars in business here is a damn good start up..Not to mention Ford, yes, I know you'll say that was planned before Trump, and carriers 1000 jobs he's keeping here is really nothing.....Tell me, did BO ever try to do as Trump did?
Are jobs and economy the mainstay of the country??

Is he building the wall? Does he already have countries agreeing the NAFTA is a joke and has to be changed? Your bet it does and will be.. What country then benefits after our years of getting screwed over with it..???

In closing I'll only say I will watch closely and if Trump doesn't do, then I'll be right there to take him out of office as quickly as he went in.. Given the sentiments and absolute disgust in politicians, politics and criminal hill you can bet so will many others.....
I understand your confusion and concerns.. I've a... (show quote)


Lindajoy, do you read what you write? You said that "YOUR Soros, Goldman Sachs, Gates. Et al are the real enemy to every nation they look to monopolize..." Do you stand by that statement? Trump has five former Goldman Sachs people nominated for or appointed to key positions. Are they still the enemy you claim? What good are the supposed jobs he is creating or saving if Goldman Sachs has such influence? My only point is not to undermine or even dispute Trump's possible help in creating or saving jobs but only to say the one company he said was the worst of the worst for "the revolving door in Washington," keeper of "the swamp" if you will, was Goldman Sachs, his now treasured staff. He went after Cruz and Hillary for having even a remote connection to this company and now his most trusted is from that company.

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Jan 24, 2017 10:02:10   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
Lindajoy, do you read what you write? You said that "YOUR Soros, Goldman Sachs, Gates. Et al are the real enemy to every nation they look to monopolize..." Do you stand by that statement? Trump has five former Goldman Sachs people nominated for or appointed to key positions. Are they still the enemy you claim? What good are the supposed jobs he is creating or saving if Goldman Sachs has such influence? My only point is not to undermine or even dispute Trump's possible help in creating or saving jobs but only to say the one company he said was the worst of the worst for "the revolving door in Washington," keeper of "the swamp" if you will, was Goldman Sachs, his now treasured staff. He went after Cruz and Hillary for having even a remote connection to this company and now his most trusted is from that company.
Lindajoy, do you read what you write? You said tha... (show quote)


Good Morning..I know what I said and I mean it.. Soros, Sachs, Gates, et al are the real dictators of this country and many others. They manipulate finances and wars for their purpose of the One World Order etc..I said "your" not meaning your buddies but them collectively..

Those Trump has chosen are x Sachs and as I said, it's better to have your enemy closer as well as people that, like him, know how these progressive globalist work...Just as he has chosen people expierenced in the fields he is placing them, I can only assume he wants their wisdom in how to effectively counter what those globalist intend to do in wrecking havoc on us... He controls the people and what they will or can do, right??? Along with Congress and Senate..

You see Dr. while I am leary, if this is his strategy then I support it at least initially.. Time tells all in what he is doing... I know what we've had for years is not working in the fight to survive these progressive dictators and we've got to change it up..

Also one observation please.. Sach is not the company he addressed frequently, it is Soros, to include recently saying, when in office he will declare him a National threat to our country..
Right now it's all speculation and we'll just have to wait and see.. So far I am impressed more than not...

I could be dead wrong, and if so, then I live with it..

As for Cruz and Hillary, I'll let their involvement speak for itself..Cruz' wife had stronger ties no doubt and Hillary, they owned...

The difference with Hillary is she was FOR them, whereas Trump is not, never was and I do not believe he is now..I think he very shrewd in doing what is necessary to get the job done.. His narcissism prohibits him from failing...Just as we witnessed in the election where everyone laughed about him entering..He said he would win and did.. Against all odds...

Is he perfect, no, but in time he'll get better...I have hope, will you join me in hope for our country???

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Jan 24, 2017 11:49:31   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Mr Bombastic wrote:
Anyone else notice how he stole my post about CNS? Also, notice how he tries to make it look like Conservatives are the only ones who suffer from it. Looks like you have a bad case of it, Drossie.

BTW. Trumps inauguration WAS the most watched ever, if you include the websites that had live stream. These are not figured in the Nielsen ratings.



Multiple satellite TV in nations accross the world most not included in the count.

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Jan 24, 2017 14:08:37   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
A picture is worth...alternative facts. Sean Spicer claimed of Trump's inauguration, "this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe." He did not provide any evidence. Because he couldn't. All the visual evidence and records kept by various businesses in D.C., such as arranged parking for Buses and the Metro, say the Inauguration was less than half the size of Obama's in 2009. But According to Nielsen, Trump did have the second highest viewing audience, again second to Obama's 2009 Inauguration. In today's news briefing, Spicer said ""Our intention is never to lie to you." This is the administration's Newspeak. Lie Saturday by an alternative fact and then promise the "intention" is never to lie, which seen though Newspeak (the actual term Orwell used in Nineteen Eighty-Four, not "doublespeak," the common term we use today) reads like this: “That's our intention but what we actually do is a whole different thing.” This falls under Compulsive Narrative Syndrome (CNS), which comes from another novel, the fourth Cassandra Kresnov book “23 Years On Fire.”

Here is a description of that Syndrome, which now includes the Newspeak (language that deliberately obscures, disguises, distorts, or reverses the meaning of words and images) of "alternative facts" in the administration:

“The human brain is trained to look for and identify patterns, but in abstract concepts, fixed and unarguable facts are hard to find. So the brain looks for narratives instead, stories that can tie together various ideas and facts in a way that seems to make sense, to make a pattern. And the human brain, always seeking a pattern as a basic cognitive function, will latch onto a narrative pattern compulsively, and use that pattern as a framework within which to store new information, like a tradesman honing his skill, or someone learning a new language.
“That’s why religions tell such great stories, the story makes a pattern within which everything makes sense. A synchronicity of apparent facts. Political ideologies, too. Humans are suckers for a great story because we can’t resist the logical pattern it contains.
“When you’re learning a new skill, discarding irrelevant information and organizing the relevant stuff within that framework is good. But in ideologies, it means any information that doesn’t fit the ideological narrative is literally discarded, and won’t be remembered . . . which is why you can argue facts with ideologues and they’ll just ignore you. They’re not just being stubborn, their brains are literally structurally incapable of processing what they perceive as pattern-anomalous data."

This may also be said of the Liberal's in media at times, pollsters, and social networks, through search engines. Speaking of liberals in the media, if you have CNS, telling you today's media are more conservative than liberal, as proven by numerous studies and a stroll through Sunday Talk Shows, will be a waste of time. That will mean that you cannot automatically dismiss what is reported as bias when it bumps up against ideological belief narrative. Provable facts, then, actually exist. Terrifying to contemplate if you are an Ideologue, I know.
A picture is worth...alternative facts. Sean Spice... (show quote)


"Terrifying if you are an ideologue, I know."

Wow! You just told on yourself, big time! Too funny!

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Jan 24, 2017 21:43:37   #
Dr.Dross
 
lindajoy wrote:
Good Morning..I know what I said and I mean it.. Soros, Sachs, Gates, et al are the real dictators of this country and many others. They manipulate finances and wars for their purpose of the One World Order etc..I said "your" not meaning your buddies but them collectively..

Those Trump has chosen are x Sachs and as I said, it's better to have your enemy closer as well as people that, like him, know how these progressive globalist work...Just as he has chosen people expierenced in the fields he is placing them, I can only assume he wants their wisdom in how to effectively counter what those globalist intend to do in wrecking havoc on us... He controls the people and what they will or can do, right??? Along with Congress and Senate..

You see Dr. while I am leary, if this is his strategy then I support it at least initially.. Time tells all in what he is doing... I know what we've had for years is not working in the fight to survive these progressive dictators and we've got to change it up..

Also one observation please.. Sach is not the company he addressed frequently, it is Soros, to include recently saying, when in office he will declare him a National threat to our country..
Right now it's all speculation and we'll just have to wait and see.. So far I am impressed more than not...

I could be dead wrong, and if so, then I live with it..

As for Cruz and Hillary, I'll let their involvement speak for itself..Cruz' wife had stronger ties no doubt and Hillary, they owned...

The difference with Hillary is she was FOR them, whereas Trump is not, never was and I do not believe he is now..I think he very shrewd in doing what is necessary to get the job done.. His narcissism prohibits him from failing...Just as we witnessed in the election where everyone laughed about him entering..He said he would win and did.. Against all odds...

Is he perfect, no, but in time he'll get better...I have hope, will you join me in hope for our country???
Good Morning..I know what I said and I mean it.. S... (show quote)


Okay, I agree, we do need to wait and see. Yet an ex-Nazi concentration officer, for example, is still a Nazi concentration officer at heart. To do his kind of work, as it is to do Goldman Sachs kind of work (foreclosing on widows), takes a certain character. Have all five Goldman Sachs people chosen by Trump had some epiphany and changed?

The wife of Cruz simply worked for Goldman Sachs and Trump vilified Cruz for that association. Hillary received donations from Goldman Sachs employees--and did not hire them as chief aides--and Trump vilified her for that connection. Trump clearly made Goldman Sachs the enemy, the main swamp thing of the corrupt revolving door of Washington. This cannot be denied. Somewhat in Trump's favor on this point, he was quoted as saying he found the saying "drain the swamp" somewhat "hokey" and "a bit of a joke." But it sold!

I too have hope and maybe my concerns are a tempest in a teacup. My prayer. I join your hope. Great post, btw.

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Jan 24, 2017 22:14:35   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
Okay, I agree, we do need to wait and see. Yet an ex-Nazi concentration officer, for example, is still a Nazi concentration officer at heart. To do his kind of work, as it is to do Goldman Sachs kind of work (foreclosing on widows), takes a certain character. Have all five Goldman Sachs people chosen by Trump had some epiphany and changed?

The wife of Cruz simply worked for Goldman Sachs and Trump vilified Cruz for that association. Hillary received donations from Goldman Sachs employees--and did not hire them as chief aides--and Trump vilified her for that connection. Trump clearly made Goldman Sachs the enemy, the main swamp thing of the corrupt revolving door of Washington. This cannot be denied. Somewhat in Trump's favor on this point, he was quoted as saying he found the saying "drain the swamp" somewhat "hokey" and "a bit of a joke." But it sold!

I too have hope and maybe my concerns are a tempest in a teacup. My prayer. I join your hope. Great post, btw.
Okay, I agree, we do need to wait and see. Yet an ... (show quote)


Thank You....I welcome any and all who will hope we're going in the right direction for our Country...

Additionally, yes Trump did attack Hillary and Cruz in the primaries and his wife.. Candidly feeling spouses and children are off limits I was not impressed then... I understand and don't dispute what you say and only add, they were all out to discredit in order to win...

You are also correct about the "drain the swamp" slogan that caught on...Personally I prefer "America First" as I honestly believe we must be, at this point...

We have opened our arms to everyone else while failing to put our House in order... When we achieve that, then, and only then can we think of others..

Your concerns are not a tempest in the tea pot..They are valid..Mine is defined as "leary".. Caution must be our observation format of what we witness take place...

Thank You for an enjoyable exchange...

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Jan 24, 2017 22:35:27   #
Dr.Dross
 
BigMike wrote:
"Terrifying if you are an ideologue, I know."

Wow! You just told on yourself, big time! Too funny!


Seriously? Too funny.

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Jan 24, 2017 22:38:38   #
Dr.Dross
 
lindajoy wrote:
Thank You....I welcome any and all who will hope we're going in the right direction for our Country...

Additionally, yes Trump did attack Hillary and Cruz in the primaries and his wife.. Candidly feeling spouses and children are off limits I was not impressed then... I understand and don't dispute what you say and only add, they were all out to discredit in order to win...

You are also correct about the "drain the swamp" slogan that caught on...Personally I prefer "America First" as I honestly believe we must be, at this point...

We have opened our arms to everyone else while failing to put our House in order... When we achieve that, then, and only then can we think of others..

Your concerns are not a tempest in the tea pot..They are valid..Mine is defined as "leary".. Caution must be our observation format of what we witness take place...

Thank You for an enjoyable exchange...
Thank You....I welcome any and all who will hope w... (show quote)


So very, very nice to have an exchange at all never mind a thoughtful and respectful one. Thank you. It really is something to cherish.

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Jan 24, 2017 23:00:20   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
So very, very nice to have an exchange at all never mind a thoughtful and respectful one. Thank you. It really is something to cherish.


Yes, they are to cherish...Your Welcome...

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Jan 25, 2017 01:13:09   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
A picture is worth...alternative facts. Sean Spicer claimed of Trump's inauguration, "this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period, both in person and around the globe." He did not provide any evidence. Because he couldn't. All the visual evidence and records kept by various businesses in D.C., such as arranged parking for Buses and the Metro, say the Inauguration was less than half the size of Obama's in 2009. But According to Nielsen, Trump did have the second highest viewing audience, again second to Obama's 2009 Inauguration. In today's news briefing, Spicer said ""Our intention is never to lie to you." This is the administration's Newspeak. Lie Saturday by an alternative fact and then promise the "intention" is never to lie, which seen though Newspeak (the actual term Orwell used in Nineteen Eighty-Four, not "doublespeak," the common term we use today) reads like this: “That's our intention but what we actually do is a whole different thing.” This falls under Compulsive Narrative Syndrome (CNS), which comes from another novel, the fourth Cassandra Kresnov book “23 Years On Fire.”

Here is a description of that Syndrome, which now includes the Newspeak (language that deliberately obscures, disguises, distorts, or reverses the meaning of words and images) of "alternative facts" in the administration:

“The human brain is trained to look for and identify patterns, but in abstract concepts, fixed and unarguable facts are hard to find. So the brain looks for narratives instead, stories that can tie together various ideas and facts in a way that seems to make sense, to make a pattern. And the human brain, always seeking a pattern as a basic cognitive function, will latch onto a narrative pattern compulsively, and use that pattern as a framework within which to store new information, like a tradesman honing his skill, or someone learning a new language.
“That’s why religions tell such great stories, the story makes a pattern within which everything makes sense. A synchronicity of apparent facts. Political ideologies, too. Humans are suckers for a great story because we can’t resist the logical pattern it contains.
“When you’re learning a new skill, discarding irrelevant information and organizing the relevant stuff within that framework is good. But in ideologies, it means any information that doesn’t fit the ideological narrative is literally discarded, and won’t be remembered . . . which is why you can argue facts with ideologues and they’ll just ignore you. They’re not just being stubborn, their brains are literally structurally incapable of processing what they perceive as pattern-anomalous data."

This may also be said of the Liberal's in media at times, pollsters, and social networks, through search engines. Speaking of liberals in the media, if you have CNS, telling you today's media are more conservative than liberal, as proven by numerous studies and a stroll through Sunday Talk Shows, will be a waste of time. That will mean that you cannot automatically dismiss what is reported as bias when it bumps up against ideological belief narrative. Provable facts, then, actually exist. Terrifying to contemplate if you are an Ideologue, I know.
A picture is worth...alternative facts. Sean Spice... (show quote)



While your many post I find questionably biased to the left and in full context passing the spin zone.

This post is honest and as a supportive "Go Trump " conservative, it bares mentioning that only focusing on Trump's positive person, traits, policies, we must also identify "possible " dangers and short comings as our elected leader.

Excellent post on your part bringing forth an awareness of facts.

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Jan 25, 2017 20:50:58   #
Dr.Dross
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Multiple satellite TV in nations accross the world most not included in the count.


First, he is claiming in personal attendance, not remotely as in TV and internet. Second, I already gave the count on TV viewing somewhere here, I think; 30 million, second only to Obama in 2009 for the largest audience. Pretty impressive.

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Jan 25, 2017 20:52:21   #
Dr.Dross
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
While your many post I find questionably biased to the left and in full context passing the spin zone.

This post is honest and as a supportive "Go Trump " conservative, it bares mentioning that only focusing on Trump's positive person, traits, policies, we must also identify "possible " dangers and short comings as our elected leader.

Excellent post on your part bringing forth an awareness of facts.


Thank you very much, I deeply appreciate that.

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Jan 25, 2017 21:52:02   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I disagree, the transcripts of Sean Spicer was specific, he did not say personal attendance, he said ". This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration -- period -- both in person and around the globe." http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/transcript-press-secretary-sean-spicer-media-233979

He goes on to give the reason for concern: "There's been a lot of talk in the media about the responsibility to hold Donald Trump accountable. And I'm here to tell you that it goes two ways. We're going to hold the press accountable, as well. The American people deserve better. And as long as he serves as the messenger for this incredible movement, he will take his message directly to the American people where his focus will always be."

Dr.Dross wrote:
First, he is claiming in personal attendance, not remotely as in TV and internet. Second, I already gave the count on TV viewing somewhere here, I think; 30 million, second only to Obama in 2009 for the largest audience. Pretty impressive.

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Jan 26, 2017 20:52:10   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Dr.Dross wrote:
Seriously? Too funny.


Oh yeah. It's funny how the truth wiggles its way out.

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