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Jan 19, 2017 10:13:44   #
PeterS
 
snowbear37 wrote:


Those who "cause it to happen" SHOULD benefit! It is the "nature of the beast" that everyone involved doesn't benefit exactly the same as long as everyone "benefits".


And who benefits from the debt? Why do you guys keep dancing around the subject? If we accelerate debt it will take no time for it to reach 100% of GDP. When will enough be enough and the whole house of cards falls down? And to makes matters worse are that interest rates are going to start rising which will push debt up faster still.

I really don't understand why it is you conservatives are so worried about the debt when a democrat is in charge but as soon as we elect a republican it becomes the furthest thing from your mind?

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Jan 19, 2017 10:15:38   #
Rivers
 
PeterS wrote:
And who benefits from the debt? Why do you guys keep dancing around the subject? If we accelerate debt it will take no time for it to reach 100% of GDP. When will enough be enough and the whole house of cards falls down? And to makes matters worse are that interest rates are going to start rising which will push debt up faster still.

I really don't understand why it is you conservatives are so worried about the debt when a democrat is in charge but as soon as we elect a republican it becomes the furthest thing from your mind?
And who benefits from the debt? Why do you guys ke... (show quote)


Trump HAS NOT increased the debt one cent! He hasn't even been sworn in yet!

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Jan 19, 2017 10:22:25   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
PeterS wrote:
Donald Trump has announced that he intends to cut taxes and increase spending on the military and infrastructure. Every time in the past that Republicans tired that technique growth in debt spiraled out of control. Now here is my question. Which do you want more--tax cuts and spending increases or lower debt? Both Reagan and Bush Jr proved that you can't cut taxes, increase spending, and not have debt go out of sight. So was all the concerns that I heard about growth in debt under Obama for real or was it just talk and so long as you get what you want any resulting growth in debt doesn't matter?
Donald Trump has announced that he intends to cut ... (show quote)








Here's the skinny, pecker. Never before were there so many high taxes {ObamaCare just being one} on business {about highest in the world}, unnecessary laws, rules and regulations {25,000 new?} and so many business' finding it necessary to move to Mexico, China, Canada, etc. NO MORE. Unlike Obama, President Trump doesn't want to (D)estroy our "Shining Light on the Hill, From Sea to Shining Sea," our "Imperialist" civilization, and instead of punishing the American Western free-market business' and workers, will punish those who think they can continue to get-over on "US;" including BHO!!! New, and Obama "(D)eported" American business' will be {again} flocking to America; and "America will {again} be #1, IN America; not the swarms of illegals, and non-assimilating, un-vetted, undocumented "refugee/terrorists" who have been quietly imported and cordially invited to mass-swarm {American taxpayer financed}, our "Golden Shores." NO MORE!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP!!! "DRAIN THAT {RADICAL SECULAR LIBERAL "REGRESSIVE"} SWAMP!!!

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Jan 19, 2017 10:27:22   #
JimMe
 
PeterS wrote:
So why are you in favor of taking steps that we know will only accelerate it? And for the record the rate of growth in debt under Obama was 119% and this was with one tax increase and almost no growth in spending.




Pres Obama's increase in spending is seen in the $8 Trillion increase in Debt... The Debt IS the overspending... And his $8 Trillion Debt increase is only 64% not 119%... You may have meant the $6.1 Trillion increase in Debt under Pres GW Bush, and that increase in Debt was 105% - according to the USA Treasury Debt Reports... Now if you meant the 119% Debt increase was Obama's responsibility as both a Senator and President, that may be accurate...

As to knowing what Pres Trump may actually have as Debt increases is to be seen...

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Jan 19, 2017 10:38:38   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
JimMe wrote:
Pres Obama's increase in spending is seen in the $8 Trillion increase in Debt... The Debt IS the overspending... And his $8 Trillion Debt increase is only 64% not 119%... You may have meant the $6.1 Trillion increase in Debt under Pres GW Bush, and that increase in Debt was 105% - according to the USA Treasury Debt Reports... Now if you meant the 119% Debt increase was Obama's responsibility as both a Senator and President, that may be accurate...

As to knowing what Pres Trump may actually have as Debt increases is to be seen...
Pres Obama's increase in spending is seen in the $... (show quote)







Just relinquishing American business from the "obamanation" of the ACA tax on "Imperialist" {BHO} business in America will put America back in the world running. Now lowering business taxes and enforcing the new "border" taxes will have new and {"Obama (D)eported" business'} both staying here in America and coming back to our "Golden Shores," faster than "Barry" unceremoniously shipped OUR priceless bronze bust at the WH {presented TO AMERICA, by Queen Elizabeth for AMERICA'S "stiff-upper-lip," after 911}, of OUR HERO, Sir Winston Churchill, (D)irectly back to GB. Although THAT "obamanation" was done on DAY 1!!! Hummmmmmmmmm. And, great, now 67? "card-carrying" (D) commies not going to attend the (R) Presidential Inauguration means that there will be that-many more tickets available for PATRIOTIC AMERICANS. And don't give me the crap about the MLK trip 60 years ago. But DO tell me why there is even a SINGLE "card-carrying" communist sitting in our Congress!!! Hummmmmm, again. WAY TO GO!!! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP!!! "DRAIN THAT {RADICAL SECULAR LIBERAL "REGRESSIVE"} SWAMP!!!"

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Jan 19, 2017 10:48:48   #
Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State
 
PeterS wrote:
Donald Trump has announced that he intends to cut taxes and increase spending on the military and infrastructure. Every time in the past that Republicans tired that technique growth in debt spiraled out of control. Now here is my question. Which do you want more--tax cuts and spending increases or lower debt? Both Reagan and Bush Jr proved that you can't cut taxes, increase spending, and not have debt go out of sight. So was all the concerns that I heard about growth in debt under Obama for real or was it just talk and so long as you get what you want any resulting growth in debt doesn't matter?
Donald Trump has announced that he intends to cut ... (show quote)


Hmm, this was not a problem when Obama was doing it. And with Obama, he used it against the USA, to destroy us. With Trump, we will actually be helped.

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Jan 19, 2017 10:58:53   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
bylm1 wrote:
You state some things that are patently false, Pete. First, the statement about the Republicans causing debt to spiral out of control. That didn't happen. Reagan's policies brought us out of Carter's double digit inflation and gave us prosperity and a strong military. Obama has decimated the military and put us into a very precarious position in the world. Reagan's policy of being strong militarily has proven to help our world position. We are not trying to overtake the world like some leaders. That policy brought us to a very strong economic position. It brought down the Berlin wall and the USSR. Obama has pushed our debt to a position that is very scary - particularly if interest rates rise to levels that will put our cost of servicing the debt to a untenable position. Obama used money we didn't have to push Solyndra, SNAP, etc to levels that are way out of control. Perhaps you could benefit from studying a bit about what lowering taxes has accomplished. The Government needs to get out of the way and let the free market work. It has always been shown to be the best at lifting everyone. What liberals need to realize that in order to grow our economy and help to create jobs, some people, those who cause it to happen, are going to get rich. So what? Everybody is going to benefit. Your last two sentences prove that you don't understand how economics works.
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That's what "libturds" do, bylm1. That's what "libturds" HAVE to do, or their (D)eception would be "exposed." Hummmmmmmmm. It just was in this last election; AND THEY CAN'T STAND IT!!! Crying, weeping, wimping, wailing, sniveling, strategizing, planning, rioting, looting, burning, "PIG" killing, vandalizing, protesting and violently (D)emonstrating is now full-blown showing their colors!!! Hummmmmmm, again!!! GOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP!!! "DRAIN THAT {RADICAL SECULAR LIBERAL "REGRESSIVE"} SWAMP!!!"

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Jan 19, 2017 11:02:11   #
PeterS
 
Rivers wrote:
Using percentages IS NOT an accurate accounting! Obama has increased the national debt by over $9.5T, more than all previous presidents combined! You conveniently not mention the increase in GDP that occurred under Reagan, upwards of 6 to 8%, something Obama could only dream about....being the only post WWII president to not have one 3% GDP quarter. Obama overseen the slowest and worst economic recovery since WWII.


You are using a strawman argument not to mention that you are trying to compare apples to oranges. The question is debt and how tax cuts and spending increases caused it to increase. If you want to argue that it continued to increase under Obama fine but if you are going to do that it should be noted that growth in debt slowed significantly once Obama increased taxes.
As for the growth in the economy under both Reagan and Bush it wasn't near enough to slow down the growth in debt and debt is the subject at hand.

The question remains why are you in favor of policies that we know historically have caused the rate of debt to increase....

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Jan 19, 2017 11:03:58   #
PeterS
 
Nuclearian wrote:
Hmm, this was not a problem when Obama was doing it. And with Obama, he used it against the USA, to destroy us. With Trump, we will actually be helped.


If debt was bad under Obama why will it be good under Trump.

Do you honestly not understand what you are talking about?

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Jan 19, 2017 11:05:12   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
PeterS wrote:
You are using a strawman argument not to mention that you are trying to compare apples to oranges. The question is debt and how tax cuts and spending increases caused it to increase. If you want to argue that it continued to increase under Obama fine but if you are going to do that it should be noted that growth in debt slowed significantly once Obama increased taxes.
As for the growth in the economy under both Reagan and Bush it wasn't near enough to slow down the growth in debt and debt is the subject at hand.

The question remains why are you in favor of policies that we know historically have caused the rate of debt to increase....
You are using a strawman argument not to mention t... (show quote)







"WE" are just trying to compare "liberalism," and reality, pecker!!! As YOU SHOULD be able to (D)educe from the last LANDSLIDE, EARTHQUAKE PRESIDENTIAL election, "WE" understand perfectly!!! And what's your NEW excuse??? GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP!!! "DRAIN THAT {RADICAL SECULAR LIBERAL "REGRESSIVE"} SWAMP!!!"

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Jan 19, 2017 11:07:23   #
PeterS
 
Rivers wrote:
Trump HAS NOT increased the debt one cent! He hasn't even been sworn in yet!


He's going to employ the same policies that caused debt to increase under both Reagan and Bush. Why are we to assume debt won't do the same under Trump? Does he have a magic wand that the other two didn't have?

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Jan 19, 2017 11:11:10   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
PeterS wrote:
He's going to employ the same policies that caused debt to increase under both Reagan and Bush. Why are we to assume debt won't do the same under Trump? Does he have a magic wand that the other two didn't have?






"Pigeons/peckers and chess!!!" GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP!!! "DRAIN THAT {RADICAL SECULAR LIBERAL "REGRESSIVE"} SWAMP!!!"

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Jan 19, 2017 11:11:52   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
bylm1 wrote:
You state some things that are patently false, Pete. First, the statement about the Republicans causing debt to spiral out of control. That didn't happen. Reagan's policies brought us out of Carter's double digit inflation and gave us prosperity and a strong military. Obama has decimated the military and put us into a very precarious position in the world. Reagan's policy of being strong militarily has proven to help our world position. We are not trying to overtake the world like some leaders. That policy brought us to a very strong economic position. It brought down the Berlin wall and the USSR. Obama has pushed our debt to a position that is very scary - particularly if interest rates rise to levels that will put our cost of servicing the debt to a untenable position. Obama used money we didn't have to push Solyndra, SNAP, etc to levels that are way out of control. Perhaps you could benefit from studying a bit about what lowering taxes has accomplished. The Government needs to get out of the way and let the free market work. It has always been shown to be the best at lifting everyone. What liberals need to realize that in order to grow our economy and help to create jobs, some people, those who cause it to happen, are going to get rich. So what? Everybody is going to benefit. Your last two sentences prove that you don't understand how economics works.
You state some things that are patently false, Pet... (show quote)




Why on earth would anyone champion a tactic which has proven to be a failure??? And why Reagan?? his most corrupt of all administrations.. 138 indited.. gun runner... stole the SS money that was to save the program.. turned and ran after 250 Marines murdered, CIA chief kidnapped for 18 months, his body tossed in a ditch.. a general kidnapped and hung, the video sent to the white house.. so Ronnie packs up and pulls out of the ME..

Cut taxes and raise spending.. a GOP policy which ruined the middle class, now you want to do it again?? Gosh it worked so well...

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Jan 19, 2017 11:13:22   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
robmull wrote:
"Pigeons/peckers and chess!!!" GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PRESIDENT "45" DONALD J. TRUMP!!! "DRAIN THAT {RADICAL SECULAR LIBERAL "REGRESSIVE"} SWAMP!!!"




MULL,

read a book and find a new signature line.. This is so old and out dated... trump is done with the swamp,, what you see now is as good as it will get..

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Jan 19, 2017 11:18:26   #
PeterS
 
permafrost wrote:
Why on earth would anyone champion a tactic which has proven to be a failure??? And why Reagan?? his most corrupt of all administrations.. 138 indited.. gun runner... stole the SS money that was to save the program.. turned and ran after 250 Marines murdered, CIA chief kidnapped for 18 months, his body tossed in a ditch.. a general kidnapped and hung, the video sent to the white house.. so Ronnie packs up and pulls out of the ME..

Cut taxes and raise spending.. a GOP policy which ruined the middle class, now you want to do it again?? Gosh it worked so well...
Why on earth would anyone champion a tactic which ... (show quote)

Hey, all I'm trying to do is get a straight answer. If they are against debt why are they pushing for policies that have increased it in the past?

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