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Jan 23, 2017 22:32:38   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
peter11937 wrote:
His Navigator was still alive and when Dad died and spoke at his funeral. He stated that had there been another at the yoke they would not have survived the war. There's a Hungarian website out there that shoes wrecks in the area , and Dad's B-24 is there in a field with three engines shot to hell, half his rudder surface shot away, and holes everywhere . The crew is listed, all alive, not true from ALL the other wrecks listed......tough time indeed. PS He earned a ribbon for the Battle of the Bulge as he was one of the first to drop supplies to them, not C-47's as the movies show. The B-24's got down low and slow to be sure things went where they were supposed to. The aircraft was hit by German ground fire.
His Navigator was still alive and when Dad died an... (show quote)


Peter and Jack, forgive my intrusion and please allow me to say reading your stories of WWII is better than any history book reading on the subject...

Thank You both, for this most enlightening read!! You both remind me of my Grandfathers tales of what went on...It was not often that he would discuss it..
Anyway, Thank You, very much..

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Jan 24, 2017 01:57:08   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
lindajoy wrote:
The petro dollar being replaced will cause not havoc but complete worthlessness of the dollar.. While I understand why Nixon took us off the gold exchange I seriously question why that was not built up over time when they knew it was not enough to back the dollar...

Japan, Europe, China etc and the United States is in serious financial meltdown, with the United States causing the world wide rippling effects in our 2008 collapse...No one has actually recovered
from that fiasco of mismanagement in the housing bubble crash.. I don't care what BO and the rest of his "fiat cronies" lied about, this economy is anything but stable..

As for Trump, as I said throughout the election, Trump is an anomaly... Not only beat the odds, but did do as he said he would~~win~~.. Before even taking office he was wheeling and dealing in what??? JOBS, small as they were look at what his effort did before stepping through those doors..GM announces a billion dollar investment in the United States, why, because as they said, TRUMP gave them the wear fore in what they would pay in tariffs and taxes to sell their automoblies.. Why the heck didn't BO try anything like this??
Why?? Because Trump used his business skills, his finesse, and his own expierence in business knowledge of trade, supply and demand in the foreign
Markets..

Yes, Jack, out of the box thinking..Out of the norm... The "anomaly" showed how it's done...Now he's hitting ISIS, 10 boats blown out of the water today..He signed off on repealing BOCare..He,through Pence, canned his lobbyist and is working them out of the WhiteHouse already...Signed a renewed bill on no government funding to foreign countries that promote abortion etcetcetc...

Is he the Messiah as some say being sarcastic, no, not at all but he is the man, that so far has stayed true to his word, in action, now!! That speaks volumes to me...
The petro dollar being replaced will cause not hav... (show quote)




Those whom sarcasticly jest conservatives think of Trump as Messiah are liberals, that also jest in conservatives believing in God. There wilful ignorance in understanding conservatives in no way see Trump as a Messiah, but many do see God's hand in the election and Trump as a tool for God’s will on America.

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Jan 24, 2017 02:34:36   #
PeterS
 
Nickolai wrote:
No military service person has been killed on American soil protecting our freedom since 1814 but since the end of WW-ll the Us is responsible for the deaths of at least six million and possibly 15-20 million people knocked out dozens of democratically elected leaders and propped up 43 right wing dictators that were more friendly to US imperialism

Yeah, but other than that what do you got!

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Jan 24, 2017 02:41:44   #
PeterS
 
lindajoy wrote:
Nick, do you consider Ft. Hood a terrorist attack, or the 4 soldiers killed in Tennessee an attack against our soldiers?? And while Boston, Orlando, and Cali were not attacks against our military, they were attacks by "home grown terrorist", yes??

While I cannot attest to your numbers, I know our country has gone meddling where they didn't need to be or should have stayed out of it.. It's easy for our government to declare war or conflict since they arent the ones actually going..

Wouldn't it be nice to just tell "them" to go fight and last one standing, wins???
Nick, do you consider Ft. Hood a terrorist attack,... (show quote)


I think the key word is "protecting our freedom". There have been plenty killed, just not dying for the freedom of this country. And you are right. I would say that those who died at Ft. Hood and the Tennessee recruiting station died engaging our enemies and thus protecting the freedoms of this country. I would also agree with Nick that we halve killed needless millions and in listening to Trump we are going needlessly kill millions more...

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Jan 24, 2017 02:44:44   #
PeterS
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
Those whom sarcasticly jest conservatives think of Trump as Messiah are liberals, that also jest in conservatives believing in God. There wilful ignorance in understanding conservatives in no way see Trump as a Messiah, but many do see God's hand in the election and Trump as a tool for God’s will on America.

If you don't think Trump a messiah than stop treating him as one. Messiah's don't lie and Trump finds it almost impossible to tell the truth. If you don' think he's a messiah then start calling him on his bullshit. If you can't find it in yourself to do that maybe it's because you find him divine...

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Jan 24, 2017 03:24:09   #
PeterS
 
lindajoy wrote:
The petro dollar being replaced will cause not havoc but complete worthlessness of the dollar.. While I understand why Nixon took us off the gold exchange I seriously question why that was not built up over time when they knew it was not enough to back the dollar...

Japan, Europe, China etc and the United States is in serious financial meltdown, with the United States causing the world wide rippling effects in our 2008 collapse...No one has actually recovered
from that fiasco of mismanagement in the housing bubble crash.. I don't care what BO and the rest of his "fiat cronies" lied about, this economy is anything but stable..

As for Trump, as I said throughout the election, Trump is an anomaly... Not only beat the odds, but did do as he said he would~~win~~.. Before even taking office he was wheeling and dealing in what??? JOBS, small as they were look at what his effort did before stepping through those doors..GM announces a billion dollar investment in the United States, why, because as they said, TRUMP gave them the wear fore in what they would pay in tariffs and taxes to sell their automoblies.. Why the heck didn't BO try anything like this??
Why?? Because Trump used his business skills, his finesse, and his own expierence in business knowledge of trade, supply and demand in the foreign
Markets..

Yes, Jack, out of the box thinking..Out of the norm... The "anomaly" showed how it's done...Now he's hitting ISIS, 10 boats blown out of the water today..He signed off on repealing BOCare..He,through Pence, canned his lobbyist and is working them out of the WhiteHouse already...Signed a renewed bill on no government funding to foreign countries that promote abortion etcetcetc...

Is he the Messiah as some say being sarcastic, no, not at all but he is the man, that so far has stayed true to his word, in action, now!! That speaks volumes to me...
The petro dollar being replaced will cause not hav... (show quote)


What irony Linda. You do realize that tariffs are a liberal idea that was abandoned decades ago as a false way to manipulate the economy. First, import tariffs cost you money and second export tariffs cost you jobs. It's a lose lose proposition which is why the congress would be hard pressed to pass them and absolutely drilled by business if they did.

How do you conservatives fall for this bullshit so easily? Are you really so young that you don't remember the 1980's. Here's what bothers me--if conservatives give up on free market capitalism then who is going to fight for it? Did you know that under Bill Clinton's presidency this country produced over 22 million jobs in the 8 years he was president? That's the most created in a 8 year period, period!!! As Spicer would say. My local Blockbuster was paying $10 (min wage was $4.50) and still couldn't find people to work there. Imagine that, twice minimum wage and still can't find anyone to hire. It doesn't matter if we keep meaningless factory jobs when our economy has always been built by creating future technology. Why the fuk do you people always want to go backwards? What makes America great is by doing the things that make America great and going backwards and trying to hang onto a few measly factory jobs just ain't what this country has ever been about.

What Trump should be doing is not promising people something we don't want to happen but instead train people for what we do want to happen. It's the next generation economy that we want to train for not trying to bring back menial jobs that we discarded decades ago. Trump isn't a businessman. Hes the perfect political hack who got people to vote for him by making promises that we don't want him to keep. That's what politicians do Linda not what a business man does. But what would have happened if he had stood there and said we have to forget about our lost jobs, instead we need to concentrate on what jobs we are going to have in the future and train you for those? Well, a conservative Congress would never pay to retrain workers and two Trump would have heard crickets if ever he stated that. Forget about Trump being a businessman. He's a corny Capitalist who's been a politician in training as long as he's been alive. And again, if you guys no longer believe in capitalism than just who the fuk do you think should? Yeah, boy, tariffs were great. That's why even liberals no longer believe in them...

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Jan 24, 2017 06:27:59   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
lindajoy wrote:
Peter and Jack, forgive my intrusion and please allow me to say reading your stories of WWII is better than any history book reading on the subject...

Thank You both, for this most enlightening read!! You both remind me of my Grandfathers tales of what went on...It was not often that he would discuss it..
Anyway, Thank You, very much..




We (our generation ) appreciate history, understanding it's value. Sad to see the negative attitudes coming from the snowflakes, what is value and lessons to us, is outdated useless, boring jiberish to them.

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Jan 24, 2017 06:39:05   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
PeterS wrote:
If you don't think Trump a messiah than stop treating him as one. Messiah's don't lie and Trump finds it almost impossible to tell the truth. If you don' think he's a messiah then start calling him on his bullshit. If you can't find it in yourself to do that maybe it's because you find him divine...




Just because your leftist policies you cheer on these forum post, have for decades proven to fail, conservatives reconized their failings and finally have a president of action. Compared to most every president in history that focuses on 2,3,4, or even 5, or 6 policies, Trump will be implementing that many every week, and sometimes in a single day. That's no Messiah to us, but it is seen by many as a blessing from heaven.
Just another way for you to be a jerk, fabric it as Messiah.
The communists methods of brainwashing the left is an amazing achievement of success. Just listen to yourself. ..........

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Jan 24, 2017 06:42:10   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
PeterS wrote:
I think the key word is "protecting our freedom". There have been plenty killed, just not dying for the freedom of this country. And you are right. I would say that those who died at Ft. Hood and the Tennessee recruiting station died engaging our enemies and thus protecting the freedoms of this country. I would also agree with Nick that we halve killed needless millions and in listening to Trump we are going needlessly kill millions more...




You consider jihadist islam fighters needless, knowing innocent casualties will occur?
In order to save millions of innocent lives. .....

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Jan 24, 2017 06:56:17   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
peter11937 wrote:
My God, your Dad was an exceptional man in every way!! The ability to accept that treatment and survive without devoting yourself to killing every Japanese within the age bracket is amazing. I believe it was the 50th anniversary of the beginning of that march when a WW2 Vet attacked and damned near killed a Japanese man visiting the shrine , recognizing him as a guard. It took 4 healthy young men to pull him off......Tough men, those survivors....



Wife's grandfather, and he went from a tall 6 4" 225 muscles, to a post March 90 lbs with a dozen diseases.
What is really sad (a national hero), he was killed by bar room bully, bled out before emt's could arrive.

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Jan 24, 2017 09:44:27   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
PeterS wrote:
If you don't think Trump a messiah than stop treating him as one. Messiah's don't lie and Trump finds it almost impossible to tell the truth. If you don' think he's a messiah then start calling him on his bullshit. If you can't find it in yourself to do that maybe it's because you find him divine...


Oddly enough I thought you were referring to Obama as that's what you liberals called Obama way back when !

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Jan 24, 2017 10:09:34   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
jack sequim wa wrote:
We (our generation ) appreciate history, understanding it's value. Sad to see the negative attitudes coming from the snowflakes, what is value and lessons to us, is outdated useless, boring jiberish to them.


In school I did not appreciate History, now I can't get enough of it...

The snowflakes don't even have real history in school anymore... The progressives have seen to it...

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Jan 24, 2017 10:21:27   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
lindajoy wrote:
In school I did not appreciate History, now I can't get enough of it...

The snowflakes don't even have real history in school anymore... The progressives have seen to it...


I've always like history but sad to say our teacher was a dud from the get go .

The snowflakes don't even have real history in school anymore... The progressives have seen to it...<<<, You are Spot On

Lindajoy here is a site I like Tara Ross <admin@taraross.com Rats the link didn't work I'll try again

http://taraross.us12.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a8afacd91f4659f8eba29da8e&id=e8b01e8e8f&e=56af0a4a13

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Jan 24, 2017 10:30:15   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
4430 wrote:
I've always like history but sad to say our teacher was a dud from the get go .

The snowflakes don't even have real history in school anymore... The progressives have seen to it...<<<, You are Spot On

Lindajoy here is a site I like Tara Ross <admin@taraross.com Rats the link didn't work I'll try again

http://taraross.us12.list-manage.com/track/click?u=a8afacd91f4659f8eba29da8e&id=e8b01e8e8f&e=56af0a4a13


Wow, Thank You, 4430..Most interesting with a lot of variety.. I do believe I am going to enjoy it very much...

I signed up for their newsletter as well..
Big hug to you...

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Jan 24, 2017 10:52:29   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
lindajoy wrote:
Wow, Thank You, 4430..Most interesting with a lot of variety.. I do believe I am going to enjoy it very much...

I signed up for their newsletter as well..
Big hug to you...


I figured you like it as I sure did and do !

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