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Jan 16, 2017 10:24:18   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
straightUp wrote:
There are plenty of cases where that's true... mostly in cases of corruption involving the private sector, such as the rampant corruption of the military-industrial complex where we can find $7,000 hammers. But for the most part, government tends to be more transparent than the private sector which means the government is more exposed to public scrutiny and that's why it's errors are more prevalent the media which gives people the impression that it's more corrupt, when in reality corruption is far more rampant in the private sector but we just don't see it because unlike the government a private firm is "none of our fucking business".
There are plenty of cases where that's true... mos... (show quote)


Transparent like the Obama administration? Everything the government mandates comes at a price to the American people. Who drove that with the ACA? The media of course.

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Jan 16, 2017 10:30:44   #
Louie27 Loc: Peoria, AZ
 
JimMe wrote:
To state "... Republican sponsored policies are responsible for almost every problem Republican voters bitch about and yet politicians always find a way (usually by lying) to blame it on Democrats..." proves you're lying long and hard...

There hasn't been a GOP HealthCare Policy in effect since 2007 when the Democrats took over Congress... The blame is put on the Democrats because for the past decade it's been the Democrats HealthCare Policies that are the only ones in effect...
To state "... Republican sponsored policies ... (show quote)


The reason for that is the Democrats want it their way and only their way. They will not vote for anything the Republicans are in favor of doing. I suppose that no Democrat lies? We have seen the fallacy of that statement for the about the last 50 years.

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Jan 16, 2017 10:58:26   #
Bevos
 
Barry Jackson wrote:
Presently I am attempting to launch a class-action lawsuit against our federal government and all Liberal members of parliament, jointly and severally, for having STOLEN billions of dollars from the Canadian taxpayers in order to advance the criminal agenda of "climate change." Perhaps some enterprising conservative Americans could do likewise, for all manner of theft from the public treasury. I felt that the surest way to punish the fascists would be to attack the bastards personally, where it hurts the most - in their pocketbooks. Political intervention in the delivery of health care is immoral, stupid and wasteful. Obamacare needs to be abolished, period. Retaining some semblance of it merely kicks the can down the road. You may consider the lawsuit approach, as it would likely generate considerable publicity that the enemedia would otherwise ignore.
Presently I am attempting to launch a class-action... (show quote)

Good Luck!!!

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Jan 16, 2017 11:15:55   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
cSc61 wrote:
When politicians and media pundits on television discuss what's to become of Obamacare, the phase I keep hearing over and over is "repeal & replace." "Obamacare must be repealed & replaced ASAP!" The biggest argument these days seem to be around the 'replace' portion. What will Republicans replace the Affordable Care Act with ... and, how can they repeal Obamacare before they have something to replace it with.

Here's my question. Why does it need to be replaced with anything. When did repeal & replace become this nation's ONLY option. Why not just repeal it and go back to where we were 8 years ago. I don't remember the country clamoring after the government to take over our healthcare before Obama's lackeys came to power in 2009. Yes, there were issues regarding a small percentage of citizens who were uninsured, and an even smaller fraction of those who found themselves un-insurable. This issue needs to be studied to determine how best to help this 5-7% of the population. But when did we as a nation just settle on the fact that the Government must control and govern the healthcare of 350 million Americans in order to provide a safety net for the few?

Why not just repeal it - period. Go back to square one -- pre-2009 -- and fix what needed mending before the socialist came to power and stole one-seventh our nations GDP out from under us. Seems we're being brainwashed yet again. This time we're being told we can't repeal Obamacare before we have something to replace it with. They want everyone repeating the same phrase over and over instead of asking the question, WHY!? Why does the government need to be involved at all?

I'll tell you why ... because they created yet another entitlement program ... a program that has become unmanageable, unsustainable, and nearly impossible to back out of. And there isn't a single politician, Republican or Democrat, who wants to eliminate an entitlement program that garners them votes, power, and allows them control another layer of our lives.

I feel like a lone voice in the wilderness but I say "REPEAL ONLY - REPLACE WITH NOTHING!"

I'd like to hear from "repeal & replace" advocates why I'm wrong.
When politicians and media pundits on television d... (show quote)


Your suggestion valid, yet does not conform to progressives in moving this country away from freedom and fully entrenched into socialism..

Government needs our tax dollars to cover their over spending debts or replace money they stole from certain programs....SS and Medicare are not entitlement programs they are from our money, not theirs...

The ACA or BO CARE was never intended to be self sustaining or good for the people, it was intended to make us dependants of government, loosing our choice, right of freedom from government and a way to further control us...

They forgot where there is no society there is no country...We were never asked about this forced coverage we were told, not even our Congress was given a chance to read the 2000 pages of garbage...Politics at their worst!!

Now Insurance is a right~~ a right of what??? Now we spread the wealth and pay for everyone to have insurance...And it is the worst ruling the SCOTUS ever put through...Having continued to rule against it, repeal is all that is viable..

What do we do with everyone once it is repealed?? All those people left uninsured?? It isn't our fault this mess was forced on everyone...Repeal but do keep no denials for Pre-existing or I also read where Trump suggested allow purchase of Insurance across state lines, look into developing a Federally funded program for pre'existing and or pool for the uninsured so they do remain insured...Does that mean Medicaid??

Too much to do and we need him office to get it resolved...

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Jan 16, 2017 11:24:38   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
Barry Jackson wrote:
Presently I am attempting to launch a class-action lawsuit against our federal government and all Liberal members of parliament, jointly and severally, for having STOLEN billions of dollars from the Canadian taxpayers in order to advance the criminal agenda of "climate change." Perhaps some enterprising conservative Americans could do likewise, for all manner of theft from the public treasury. I felt that the surest way to punish the fascists would be to attack the bastards personally, where it hurts the most - in their pocketbooks. Political intervention in the delivery of health care is immoral, stupid and wasteful. Obamacare needs to be abolished, period. Retaining some semblance of it merely kicks the can down the road. You may consider the lawsuit approach, as it would likely generate considerable publicity that the enemedia would otherwise ignore.

What is the bases of your allegation to theft??Is this a federal issue involving the country's choice to do this or that??
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Are you filing it Federal Court??
Perhaps you should consider filing a Class Action lawsuit, with you as the controlling defendant..Of course it's handled differently too..In effect you would be suing representing the people of the state etc...

Without knowing more regarding the underling facts it's really hard to say..Just a thought you may wish to run by your attorney if they have not already suggested it.

Good luck, long tedious process that much I assure you...

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Jan 16, 2017 12:19:00   #
green apples Loc: Scottsdale, Az
 
[quote=cSc61

I feel like a lone voice in the wilderness but I say "REPEAL ONLY - REPLACE WITH NOTHING!"

I'd like to hear from "repeal & replace" advocates why I'm wrong.[/quote]

Well, remember what Nancy P said...
"We have to pass it (what we are going to replace it with) before we know what's in it!! LOL.
DO YOU SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT NOW??

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Jan 16, 2017 13:48:20   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
straightUp wrote:
With the Democrats it's not so obvious. They tend to nominate experienced politicians with law degrees which is appropriate for leading a law-based government. It's clearly the Republicans that look for businessmen, Hollywood actors and hockey moms to try to make that popular connection which leaves actual government leadership in question.

JFK was the last Democratic president before the Southern conservatives left the party. I'm pretty familiar with the conservative tendency to see him as the last good Democrat. I suspect that has a LOT more to do with partisan loyalty than unbiased assessment. As for me, I'm still waiting for evidence to suggest Obama is anything other than a true leader.
With the Democrats it's not so obvious. They tend ... (show quote)

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Yes Obama is a good leader as you say! But he is a leader not a doer!
But dummy , he is leading us straight into communist rule . If you want this kind of rule move to Cuba
or any other dictator government!

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Jan 16, 2017 14:36:17   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
You're not. They won't say it because it allows the other side to demonize them. Punch of fairies.
green apples wrote:
Well, remember what Nancy P said...
"We have to pass it (what we are going to replace it with) before we know what's in it!! LOL.
DO YOU SEE ANYTHING WRONG WITH THAT NOW??

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Jan 16, 2017 17:16:47   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
lindajoy wrote:
Barry Jackson wrote:
Presently I am attempting to launch a class-action lawsuit against our federal government and all Liberal members of parliament, jointly and severally, for having STOLEN billions of dollars from the Canadian taxpayers in order to advance the criminal agenda of "climate change." Perhaps some enterprising conservative Americans could do likewise, for all manner of theft from the public treasury. I felt that the surest way to punish the fascists would be to attack the bastards personally, where it hurts the most - in their pocketbooks. Political intervention in the delivery of health care is immoral, stupid and wasteful. Obamacare needs to be abolished, period. Retaining some semblance of it merely kicks the can down the road. You may consider the lawsuit approach, as it would likely generate considerable publicity that the enemedia would otherwise ignore.

What is the bases of your allegation to theft??Is this a federal issue involving the country's choice to do this or that??
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~•~~•••~~~
Are you filing it Federal Court??
Perhaps you should consider filing a Class Action lawsuit, with you as the controlling defendant..Of course it's handled differently too..In effect you would be suing representing the people of the state etc...

Without knowing more regarding the underling facts it's really hard to say..Just a thought you may wish to run by your attorney if they have not already suggested it.

Good luck, long tedious process that much I assure you...
Barry Jackson wrote: br Presently I am attempting ... (show quote)


Anthropogenic climate change is the biggest load of hooie that exists. Climate is constantly in change and has been since Earth developed an atmosphere. It will not stop until Earth loses its' atmosphere. A few things that change climate are Sun's energy cycles, Earth's distance from the Sun changed by the gravitation of Saturn and Jupiter, Earth's gyroscopic precession, cosmic rays and resultant cloud cover and more. Anthropogenic CO2 might, or might not, cause a change in average gobal temp. by about 0.24 deg. C.. Anyone think that such a change could drive anything?.

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Jan 16, 2017 21:14:53   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
peter11937 wrote:
Anthropogenic climate change is the biggest load of hooie that exists. Climate is constantly in change and has been since Earth developed an atmosphere. It will not stop until Earth loses its' atmosphere. A few things that change climate are Sun's energy cycles, Earth's distance from the Sun changed by the gravitation of Saturn and Jupiter, Earth's gyroscopic precession, cosmic rays and resultant cloud cover and more. Anthropogenic CO2 might, or might not, cause a change in average gobal temp. by about 0.24 deg. C.. Anyone think that such a change could drive anything?.
Anthropogenic climate change is the biggest load o... (show quote)


You recite many of the same conclusions I have said in here about climate change, which is just a scam for the few to monopolize on..

The Earth has her own internal mechanisms to heat or cool as it needs to..if you believe the age is 4.5 billion years perhaps she knows what she is doing, right......

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Jan 16, 2017 21:30:18   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Hi L J. My problem with this entire Climate Change argument is their is no answer. Personally I believe man has no discernible impact on the climate. Air and water yes. That's something we can do something about. I could be wrong. So what? I haven't heard one viable option if I am wrong. Carbon credits so ass holes like Al Gore can make another fortune. Buzz words like renewables that are proven too costly and inefficient. Pay third world countries that have raw sewage running into the rivers, then the ocean billions because we have made their air dirty while they burn wood, coal, and buffalo chips. Don't forget the greatest Obama accomplishment the liberals pat themselves on the back for. Some BS non-binding UN climate agreement. Wow I'll bet the countries that hate us or don't care about their economy will honor that. If man made climate change is real the only way to stop it is get rid of man. I say liberals first. We're right behind you.
lindajoy wrote:
You recite many of the same conclusions I have said in here about climate change, which is just a scam for the few to monopolize on..

The Earth has her own internal mechanisms to heat or cool as it needs to..if you believe the age is 4.5 billion years perhaps she knows what she is doing, right......

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Jan 16, 2017 22:10:39   #
lindajoy Loc: right here with you....
 
JFlorio wrote:
Hi L J. My problem with this entire Climate Change argument is their is no answer. Personally I believe man has no discernible impact on the climate. Air and water yes. That's something we can do something about. I could be wrong. So what? I haven't heard one viable option if I am wrong. Carbon credits so ass holes like Al Gore can make another fortune. Buzz words like renewables that are proven too costly and inefficient. Pay third world countries that have raw sewage running into the rivers, then the ocean billions because we have made their air dirty while they burn wood, coal, and buffalo chips. Don't forget the greatest Obama accomplishment the liberals pat themselves on the back for. Some BS non-binding UN climate agreement. Wow I'll bet the countries that hate us or don't care about their economy will honor that. If man made climate change is real the only way to stop it is get rid of man. I say liberals first. We're right behind you.
Hi L J. My problem with this entire Climate Change... (show quote)


You know, J, I'm still waiting for that topic where we are not in agreement just so we can debate...I'm sure it would be enlighten and by the end one of us strangling the other with 40 lb test line .lololol

Climate Control and no argument??? Objectively these people that swallow it hook, line and sinker are not independently verifying the twist put on it nor do they understand.. They are fed so much skewed propaganda about it they honestly can not or do not want to put all that garbage aside and look, listen and see for themself what is or isn't..I doubt many of them are even outside that often to see things objectively..

These Scientist are tied to the money, in federal grants or private grants looking for things to promote climate change, not to give independent untainted reports and findings supporting the truth...They just can't do that for fear they will loose their money line....

Climate change is real, it's what the Earth does in each season, where the sun is, what normal phenomena is going on ...El Nino, La Nina, volcano eruptions and the soot spewed out etcetcetc..

You are not wrong, and you don't hear it because you stand your ground, call it like it is and see past these blase people that can not effectively discredit you because what they are regeritating is some story that is " the absolute" ..

Relax, it's all good, always something to , namely that the Earth is the Earth and we can do our part to keep " our home" clean, land, water and air, and stay the hell out of her way letting Mother Nature do what she does best, clean herself.....

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Jan 16, 2017 22:29:19   #
peter11937 Loc: NYS
 
JFlorio wrote:
Hi L J. My problem with this entire Climate Change argument is their is no answer. Personally I believe man has no discernible impact on the climate. Air and water yes. That's something we can do something about. I could be wrong. So what? I haven't heard one viable option if I am wrong. Carbon credits so ass holes like Al Gore can make another fortune. Buzz words like renewables that are proven too costly and inefficient. Pay third world countries that have raw sewage running into the rivers, then the ocean billions because we have made their air dirty while they burn wood, coal, and buffalo chips. Don't forget the greatest Obama accomplishment the liberals pat themselves on the back for. Some BS non-binding UN climate agreement. Wow I'll bet the countries that hate us or don't care about their economy will honor that. If man made climate change is real the only way to stop it is get rid of man. I say liberals first. We're right behind you.
Hi L J. My problem with this entire Climate Change... (show quote)


100 percent correct, and CO2 at 200 percent of today's levels has only one effect. It makes crops yield more with all photosynthetic life be more healthy, grow faster, grow with less fertilizer water and do more to green Earth than all environmentalists have done since 1950.

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Jan 16, 2017 22:30:57   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
lindajoy wrote:
You recite many of the same conclusions I have said in here about climate change, which is just a scam for the few to monopolize on..

The Earth has her own internal mechanisms to heat or cool as it needs to..if you believe the age is 4.5 billion years perhaps she knows what she is doing, right......


lindajoy: Here is one for you! If you extrapolate a line through the earth's center (pole to pole) that extrapolation will intersect the North Star. Thats why that star has never moved while we watched it for thousands of years. That extrapolation is on a 23 and one half degree tilt. Now with all spheres that rotate there is a gyroscopic precession. In our case that precession is plus or minus 7 degrees in one complete procession. What is amazing is the fact that it takes 25 thousand year for just on complete precession. Just imagine how this total procession of 14 degrees can effect our climate? We are just a spect of time in our calculation of weather.....we really know nothing about climate change! Only our perfect order solar system with time can predict what is really happening. Hoot Owl Gore and his ilk are pumping lots of sand!!!!!

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Jan 16, 2017 22:33:16   #
son of witless
 
lindajoy wrote:
You recite many of the same conclusions I have said in here about climate change, which is just a scam for the few to monopolize on..

The Earth has her own internal mechanisms to heat or cool as it needs to..if you believe the age is 4.5 billion years perhaps she knows what she is doing, right......


If anyone cares to study it, strange weather has occurred many times in Earth's history. Every time we have unusual weather it is evidence of Global Warming. These idiots should look up the real climate change that has happened in ancient times even before Al Gore was born. Around 2200 BC a mega drought ended the old Kingdom in Egypt. No SUVs back then.

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