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Jan 12, 2017 17:20:29   #
cSc61 Loc: Austin
 
When politicians and media pundits on television discuss what's to become of Obamacare, the phase I keep hearing over and over is "repeal & replace." "Obamacare must be repealed & replaced ASAP!" The biggest argument these days seem to be around the 'replace' portion. What will Republicans replace the Affordable Care Act with ... and, how can they repeal Obamacare before they have something to replace it with.

Here's my question. Why does it need to be replaced with anything. When did repeal & replace become this nation's ONLY option. Why not just repeal it and go back to where we were 8 years ago. I don't remember the country clamoring after the government to take over our healthcare before Obama's lackeys came to power in 2009. Yes, there were issues regarding a small percentage of citizens who were uninsured, and an even smaller fraction of those who found themselves un-insurable. This issue needs to be studied to determine how best to help this 5-7% of the population. But when did we as a nation just settle on the fact that the Government must control and govern the healthcare of 350 million Americans in order to provide a safety net for the few?

Why not just repeal it - period. Go back to square one -- pre-2009 -- and fix what needed mending before the socialist came to power and stole one-seventh our nations GDP out from under us. Seems we're being brainwashed yet again. This time we're being told we can't repeal Obamacare before we have something to replace it with. They want everyone repeating the same phrase over and over instead of asking the question, WHY!? Why does the government need to be involved at all?

I'll tell you why ... because they created yet another entitlement program ... a program that has become unmanageable, unsustainable, and nearly impossible to back out of. And there isn't a single politician, Republican or Democrat, who wants to eliminate an entitlement program that garners them votes, power, and allows them control another layer of our lives.

I feel like a lone voice in the wilderness but I say "REPEAL ONLY - REPLACE WITH NOTHING!"

I'd like to hear from "repeal & replace" advocates why I'm wrong.

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Jan 12, 2017 17:25:17   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Amen brother. About time someone said it. Figure out away to cover the uncovered and let the rest of us alone.
cSc61 wrote:
When politicians and media pundits on television discuss what's to become of Obamacare, the phase I keep hearing over and over is "repeal & replace." "Obamacare must be repealed & replaced ASAP!" The biggest argument these days seem to be around the 'replace' portion. What will Republicans replace the Affordable Care Act with ... and, how can they repeal Obamacare before they have something to replace it with.

Here's my question. Why does it need to be replaced with anything. When did repeal & replace become this nation's ONLY option. Why not just repeal it and go back to where we were 8 years ago. I don't remember the country clamoring after the government to take over our healthcare before Obama's lackeys came to power in 2009. Yes, there were issues regarding a small percentage of citizens who were uninsured, and an even smaller fraction of those who found themselves un-insurable. This issue needs to be studied to determine how best to help this 5-7% of the population. But when did we as a nation just settle on the fact that the Government must control and govern the healthcare of 350 million Americans in order to provide a safety net for the few?

Why not just repeal it - period. Go back to square one -- pre-2009 -- and fix what needed mending before the socialist came to power and stole one-seventh our nations GDP out from under us. Seems we're being brainwashed yet again. This time we're being told we can't repeal Obamacare before we have something to replace it with. They want everyone repeating the same phrase over and over instead of asking the question, WHY!? Why does the government need to be involved at all?

I'll tell you why ... because they created yet another entitlement program ... a program that has become unmanageable, unsustainable, and nearly impossible to back out of. And there isn't a single politician, Republican or Democrat, who wants to eliminate an entitlement program that garners them votes, power, and allows them control another layer of our lives.

I feel like a lone voice in the wilderness but I say "REPEAL ONLY - REPLACE WITH NOTHING!"

I'd like to hear from "repeal & replace" advocates why I'm wrong.
When politicians and media pundits on television d... (show quote)

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Jan 12, 2017 17:41:23   #
L8erToots
 
JFlorio wrote:
Amen brother. About time someone said it. Figure out away to cover the uncovered and let the rest of us alone.
Well, it didn't come about just in 2008 - Hillary Clinton tried to force it on us when she was First Lady and luckily an international crisis sidelined her attempt. That being said, I agree with you 100% - we don't need to replace it with anything on a federal level. Let the states determine how to take care of their uninsured if their voters deem they should...per the Constitution.

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Jan 12, 2017 17:53:42   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
Health care reform comes up periodically because our system is inefficient. It costs twice as much per capita as most other developed nations and delivers mediocre results compared to those other systems.

Health care reform WAS an issue in the 2008 elections because costs and premiums were rising at a rate that alarmed most Americans. People who complain about the cost of the ACA tend to forget that the cost increases prior to the legislation were forcing folks to give up their insurance as they could not keep up with the rising costs. That is why we cannot just go back to the way it was....

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Jan 12, 2017 17:55:12   #
usewillow
 
Just another step in their ultimate take over plan...1. make the majority dependent on the government "We are there" 2. make the money used virtually worthless. "We are there". 3. Keep the people afraid or in fear of attack "We are there". 4. Disarm the population "We are not quite there but they are working daily on trying to do so. Those steps are all that is needed to become a dictatorship.

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Jan 12, 2017 18:04:53   #
PeterS
 
cSc61 wrote:
When politicians and media pundits on television discuss what's to become of Obamacare, the phase I keep hearing over and over is "repeal & replace." "Obamacare must be repealed & replaced ASAP!" The biggest argument these days seem to be around the 'replace' portion. What will Republicans replace the Affordable Care Act with ... and, how can they repeal Obamacare before they have something to replace it with.

Here's my question. Why does it need to be replaced with anything. When did repeal & replace become this nation's ONLY option. Why not just repeal it and go back to where we were 8 years ago. I don't remember the country clamoring after the government to take over our healthcare before Obama's lackeys came to power in 2009. Yes, there were issues regarding a small percentage of citizens who were uninsured, and an even smaller fraction of those who found themselves un-insurable. This issue needs to be studied to determine how best to help this 5-7% of the population. But when did we as a nation just settle on the fact that the Government must control and govern the healthcare of 350 million Americans in order to provide a safety net for the few?

Why not just repeal it - period. Go back to square one -- pre-2009 -- and fix what needed mending before the socialist came to power and stole one-seventh our nations GDP out from under us. Seems we're being brainwashed yet again. This time we're being told we can't repeal Obamacare before we have something to replace it with. They want everyone repeating the same phrase over and over instead of asking the question, WHY!? Why does the government need to be involved at all?

I'll tell you why ... because they created yet another entitlement program ... a program that has become unmanageable, unsustainable, and nearly impossible to back out of. And there isn't a single politician, Republican or Democrat, who wants to eliminate an entitlement program that garners them votes, power, and allows them control another layer of our lives.

I feel like a lone voice in the wilderness but I say "REPEAL ONLY - REPLACE WITH NOTHING!"

I'd like to hear from "repeal & replace" advocates why I'm wrong.
When politicians and media pundits on television d... (show quote)

It needs to be replaced with something because conservative's what to stay in office. There are 20 million who have insurance only because of Obamacare and another 10 million of with preexisting conditions that will lose their insurance if Obamacare is repeal. That's thirty million votes that Republicans lose come 2018/20. This is why they want to repeal today but delay 4 years or more before people risk losing their insurance.

The problem with that line of thinking is that if Obamacare is repealed but the end delayed then the exchanges will collapse and Obamacare will fall from it's own weight making 30 million voters madder than hell in 2018.

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Jan 12, 2017 18:12:10   #
PeterS
 
usewillow wrote:
Just another step in their ultimate take over plan...1. make the majority dependent on the government "We are there" 2. make the money used virtually worthless. "We are there". 3. Keep the people afraid or in fear of attack "We are there". 4. Disarm the population "We are not quite there but they are working daily on trying to do so. Those steps are all that is needed to become a dictatorship.

Ultimate takeover plan? Good god, being required to have health insurance isn't part of a "take over plan." Plus, there are more guns in the hands of citizens than at any point in recent history. And if conservatives are so afraid of dictatorships why do you continually seek out the most authoritarian of leaders? Don't you know that authoritarianism is where dictators come from!

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Jan 12, 2017 18:16:49   #
markinny
 
sounds fine to me.

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Jan 12, 2017 18:17:59   #
PeterS
 
working class stiff wrote:
Health care reform comes up periodically because our system is inefficient. It costs twice as much per capita as most other developed nations and delivers mediocre results compared to those other systems.

Health care reform WAS an issue in the 2008 elections because costs and premiums were rising at a rate that alarmed most Americans. People who complain about the cost of the ACA tend to forget that the cost increases prior to the legislation were forcing folks to give up their insurance as they could not keep up with the rising costs. That is why we cannot just go back to the way it was....
Health care reform comes up periodically because o... (show quote)

What has been lost in the rhetoric is that healthcare costs under the exchanges has been galloping along while YoY costs for others is at the lowest point in decades--about 3.5%. Prior to Obamacare healthcare costs for everyone was closer to 10% YoY and why so many were having to drop their healthcare. Listening to the rhetoric today you would think all of us are paying the inflated rates of the healthcare exchanges, not so...

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Jan 12, 2017 18:19:30   #
cSc61 Loc: Austin
 
PeterS wrote:
It needs to be replaced with something because conservative's what to stay in office. There are 20 million who have insurance only because of Obamacare and another 10 million of with preexisting conditions that will lose their insurance if Obamacare is repeal. That's thirty million votes that Republicans lose come 2018/20. This is why they want to repeal today but delay 4 years or more before people risk losing their insurance.

The problem with that line of thinking is that if Obamacare is repealed but the end delayed then the exchanges will collapse and Obamacare will fall from it's own weight making 30 million voters madder than hell in 2018.
It needs to be replaced with something because con... (show quote)


First, I believe your numbers are unsubstantiated. But even if they are accurate, I seriously doubt any of the 30 million you taut vote for conservative candidates. As a rule, once a citizen becomes dependent on the scraps given to them by the government, the last thing they'd do is vote for anyone who's fundamental philosophy it is to shrink government.

And just an aside, perhaps those 9% (again, using your numbers), instead of being angry, should stop and ask themselves why they don't have the same amount of healthcare coverage as the other 91% of the country. What life choices were made to put them in the situation they find themselves in and why it should be the government's responsibility to remedy it.

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Jan 12, 2017 18:24:29   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
cSc61 wrote:
First, I believe your numbers are unsubstantiated. But even if they are accurate, I seriously doubt any of the 30 million you taut vote for conservative candidates. As a rule, once a citizen becomes dependent on the scraps given to them by the government, the last thing they'd do is vote for anyone who's fundamental philosophy it is to shrink government.

And just an aside, perhaps those 9% (again, using your numbers), instead of being angry, should stop and ask themselves why they don't have the same amount of healthcare coverage as the other 91% of the country. What life choices were made to put them in the situation they find themselves in and why it should be the government's responsibility to remedy it.
First, I believe your numbers are unsubstantiated.... (show quote)


I think you'd be surprised at who uses the ACA. That's why so many of the legislators on the Hill want to see the replacement.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/rubio-enrolled-obamacare/2013/12/12/id/541502/

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Jan 12, 2017 18:25:30   #
cSc61 Loc: Austin
 
PeterS wrote:
Ultimate takeover plan? Good god, being required to have health insurance isn't part of a "take over plan." Plus, there are more guns in the hands of citizens than at any point in recent history. And if conservatives are so afraid of dictatorships why do you continually seek out the most authoritarian of leaders? Don't you know that authoritarianism is where dictators come from!


So Peter, before Trump is even inaugurated or had a chance to enact a single policy you have him labeled an authoritarian. And yet, though we just suffered through 8-years of the most authoritarian leadership in my lifetime, you can't even acknowledge there may have been times when Obama overstep or acted tyrannical. "I don't need Congress, I have a phone and a pen." Ringing any bells Peter?

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Jan 12, 2017 18:30:09   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
It's a bit more complicated than that. First off to bend the cost curve we must make medical school much cheaper. Can't have doctors coming out of schools $300,000 in debt and expect them to work at a much lower salary. Second off the rate of increase wasn't going up as much in 2008 simply because we were in a recession. The Premiums started going up in 2010 again. Nothing the ACA does reduces the cost of healthcare. The ACA wasn't even running fully until 2014. It's premise; young healthy people with low paying or, no jobs will pay for sick people's care was flawed from the get go. The bit about premiums not rising as much is very disingenuous. My premium doubled. Others that didn't don't care because their deductible is so high you can't access your insurance anyway. My out of pocket for two people is $14,000. Your right we can't go bav know to the way it was. You want cheaper healthcare. You need more competition and much more transparency.
working class stiff wrote:
Health care reform comes up periodically because our system is inefficient. It costs twice as much per capita as most other developed nations and delivers mediocre results compared to those other systems.

Health care reform WAS an issue in the 2008 elections because costs and premiums were rising at a rate that alarmed most Americans. People who complain about the cost of the ACA tend to forget that the cost increases prior to the legislation were forcing folks to give up their insurance as they could not keep up with the rising costs. That is why we cannot just go back to the way it was....
Health care reform comes up periodically because o... (show quote)

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Jan 12, 2017 19:01:22   #
fidelis
 
Why doesn't government have the common sense that the rest of us common people have. I for one don't have any compassion for those that deliberately destroyed their health- aids, alcohol,drugs; and the public leaches that have done nothing but line up at the trough.

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Jan 12, 2017 19:12:32   #
kankune Loc: Iowa
 
cSc61 wrote:
When politicians and media pundits on television discuss what's to become of Obamacare, the phase I keep hearing over and over is "repeal & replace." "Obamacare must be repealed & replaced ASAP!" The biggest argument these days seem to be around the 'replace' portion. What will Republicans replace the Affordable Care Act with ... and, how can they repeal Obamacare before they have something to replace it with.

Here's my question. Why does it need to be replaced with anything. When did repeal & replace become this nation's ONLY option. Why not just repeal it and go back to where we were 8 years ago. I don't remember the country clamoring after the government to take over our healthcare before Obama's lackeys came to power in 2009. Yes, there were issues regarding a small percentage of citizens who were uninsured, and an even smaller fraction of those who found themselves un-insurable. This issue needs to be studied to determine how best to help this 5-7% of the population. But when did we as a nation just settle on the fact that the Government must control and govern the healthcare of 350 million Americans in order to provide a safety net for the few?

Why not just repeal it - period. Go back to square one -- pre-2009 -- and fix what needed mending before the socialist came to power and stole one-seventh our nations GDP out from under us. Seems we're being brainwashed yet again. This time we're being told we can't repeal Obamacare before we have something to replace it with. They want everyone repeating the same phrase over and over instead of asking the question, WHY!? Why does the government need to be involved at all?

I'll tell you why ... because they created yet another entitlement program ... a program that has become unmanageable, unsustainable, and nearly impossible to back out of. And there isn't a single politician, Republican or Democrat, who wants to eliminate an entitlement program that garners them votes, power, and allows them control another layer of our lives.

I feel like a lone voice in the wilderness but I say "REPEAL ONLY - REPLACE WITH NOTHING!"

I'd like to hear from "repeal & replace" advocates why I'm wrong.
When politicians and media pundits on television d... (show quote)


I agree with you 100% Big Guy. It's called DEREGULATION across state lines.

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