payne1000

If you're providing reality, don't you think your "reality" would be more believable if it was coming from an identified source?
Some readers might not feel comfortable believing information from a source who refuses to identify himself.
Read some of what these thousands of highly accomplished professionals have to say. http://patriotsquestion911.com/
They're not afraid to sign their names to what they are saying and most of them show their faces.
Wouldn't you like to have the credibility they have created for themselves by identifying themselves and supplying a short bio?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

I've seen them all, payne, every attempt to prove controlled demolition is fraught with inconsistencies, contradictions, convolutions, speculation, wishful thinking, manipulated or manufactured data, and outright lies.

Every thing in your conspiratorial world is black and white, there are no gray areas. "Pile drivers" and "pistons" are meaningless terms, they do not remotely describe the complex dynamics of a progressive building collapse. The potential energy of one tower was 398,000 Mega Joules. That potential far exceeds the energy necessary to destroy the building. The upper section above the impact zone in WTC1 had a potential energy of 96561 Mega Joules, and the potential energy in the upper section of WTC2 was 158341 Mega Joules. (These figures are calculated based on the PE of each floor, which was progressively less from top down). The weight of those sections respectively were 65000 tons and 135000 tons. The energy transfer that occurred at the moment of collapse guaranteed a progressive collapse of the buildings. The math calculations of that energy transfer and the resulting kinetic energies generated during the collapse sequence reveal the enormous forces involved.

The collapses of the twin towers cannot be explained by a science illiterate narrating a youtube video, telling us what he thinks he sees occurring. And, every attempt these illiterates make in explaining the internal dynamics of the physical collapse is laughable. Because of their ignorance of the laws of physics and driven by a political or ideological agenda, they have deluded themselves into believing only explosives could have done it.

Those of us who have developed the skills in logic, deductive and inductive reasoning, critical thinking, and who have been educated and trained in physics and fire science, through both academics and experience, can easily see the enormous flaws in your explosives theories.

But you carry on, payne, you certainly are a master at making a fool of yourself.

emarine

I have told you many times that I really don't care who did it... my interest is in the actual failure, The fact that you haven't figured out why the towers failed at this point is beyond belief...any rational person knows you are humorous in your attempt to sell us readers on your wacko theory's, all of them which is like 10 different ones by now... from Jews with wrenches, Jews with radio controlled jetliners, Jewish art students rigging every floor all 220 with tons of high explosives using little fuse BB-18 buss bar fuse holders, mini nukes. Larry Silverstein a Jew plotting... Nano thermite, Zionist this Zionist that... lets face facts...Larry Payne has a problem with Jews... there seems to be better proof than what you provide

payne1000

You wrote:
"Those of us who have developed the skills in logic, deductive and inductive reasoning, critical thinking, and who have been educated and trained in physics and fire science, through both academics and experience, can easily see the enormous flaws in your explosives theories."

Readers need to note that those who you are calling liars reveal their names and their bios.
You won't reveal your name or your bio and your bio would be of no value without your name.
So it's obvious you don't want the lies you post here to be associated with you personally.
Only lying shills find the need to be anonymous. Anyone telling the truth has no fear of being exposed.
Here are the patriotic truth tellers: http://patriotsquestion911.com/

payne1000

You don't care who did it? You don't care if rogue agents of our government along with agents of foreign governments murdered 3,000 Americans in a most horrible way? You don't care if that act of mass murder enabled wars to be waged in the Middle east which killed 6,000 Americans and counting? You don't care if over a million civilians were killed in Iraq and Afghanistan on false premises? Are you a psychopath like the murderers you are defending? I know how you came to be here:

cesspool jones Loc: atlanta

Megga hegga Megga hiney hoe....that's yer masters degree.

payne1000

Emarine and Blade Runner are extremely fortunate to have your highly intelligent comments to back them up.
Have they given you a vote of thanks yet?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Let's cut to the chase. Since you are so obsessed with identifiable sources, personal IDs, and bios, how about providing the names and bios of the 9/11 conspirators who carried out the destruction of the WTC. If you could give us even one name and bio of say, the lead demo engineer, an explosives loader, an RC pilot, the trigger man, you might have something. As it is all you have is wild assed theories that have no basis in reality. Identify the perps, payne, stop dancing in the weeds.

payne1000

You're not cutting to the chase. You're obfuscating. You and emarine are shills. Shills can't operate if they are found out. Revealing your names would make it possible for readers to see who you really are. Your employment as shills would then be terminated.

cesspool jones Loc: atlanta

Eat yer mother's shit asshole! You need to be found.

Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton

You can keep the change. Call it a down payment on the next installment. Call BS if you must but answer this:

What is Thermite?

cesspool jones Loc: atlanta

Are you kidding me? Martian Boy did it.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Debunking 911 Conspiracies

(Note: all the titles in red are linked on the webpage. Some hot links are already provided here.)


Journal Of Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Volume 1 Issue 4

eSkeptic gives Debunking911.com a nod ~

How Skeptics Confronted 9/11 Denialism

by John Ray

...Yet, in just under four years, the 9/11 “truth movement” has ground to a halt. Apart from the fundamental incoherence of their theories, the downfall of the 9/11 denier juggernaut was good old-fashioned skepticism at its finest, the kind that conjures visions of James Randi challenging psychics and faith healers on their home turfs and winning. Skeptics are better at their jobs than they think, and its important to give credit where credit is due.

Staking their fortunes almost solely on Internet-based content may have been the 9/11 deniers’ biggest mistake. What seems like a perfect place for pseudoscience — the Internet is un-edited, without fact-checkers or minimum publishing standards of any kind — also became a perfect place for a rapid-response system of blogs and forums to fight back. Drawing on the freely available technical information from the NIST, FEMA, and academic journals which most colleges let their students access for free, skeptical sites like ScrewLooseChange.blogspot.com and debunking911.com are able to defuse 9/11 denier claims as they arise...

http://www.ae911truth.info addresses the misleading and deceitful conspiracy industries latest attempt at creating consumers for their products. From their blatant appeal to authority to misapplied science, ae911truth.info is a must for anyone seriously looking for truth.

New link ~ Frequently Asked Questions - "Why do you use the term "debunking" in your name? Doesn't that prove you already think you're right?"... "Why do you hide your identity?" "Who funds your site?"...The answer to those questions and much more are in the FAQ. Please read the FAQ before sending e-mail. Your questions about this site may already be answered.

New ~ WTC 7 explained in Structure Magazine. "Single Point of Failure: How the Loss of One Column May Have Led to the Collapse of WTC 7" points out that the failure of column 79 in the lower levels will create the very effect we see in videos

New ~ Quick Answers and links page. Quickly debunk the most commonly repeated conspiracy myths.

9/11 Conspiracy Theorists: "Don't ignore me, bro!" Evidence most people do not believe the towers were blown up.

Readers E-mails ~ Here are some thought provoking e-mails from our readers.

New Paper ~ Professor of Civil, Structural and Environmental Engineering at Cambridge University passes yet another peer reviewed paper by a RESPECTED engineering Journal saying the towers collapsed the way they did without the need of explosives.

Update ~ The real conspiracy, the administrations rush to war and the evidence for an investigation people should be fighting for.

The Italian debunker does it again! Uninterruptible power supply on the 81st floor may be yet another explanation for the molten flow coming from the 81st floor window.

New Page ~ In Defense of Rosie. Why Rosie O'Donnell shouldn't be fired from 'The View' but should reexamine the WTC 7 collapse.

New Video ~ Frustrated fireman agonizes over not being able to go into "leaning" Building 7 and save it from certain doom.

Update ~ An Italian debunker over seas put an iron slab to the test. Shoots down Steven Jones alleged thermite photo. Badda Bing!

Uncomfortable Questions ~ Was the Death Star Attack an Inside Job?

New Search Engine ~ Debunking 9/11's "9/11 POWER Debunker" Over 200 9/11 related web sites and thousands of pages of facts, papers and commentary!

New Video ~ Did the BBC know the WTC 7 was going to be blown up or is this conspiracy story just petty revenge?

New Video ~ Shows us what he saw from the south side of Building 7!

Updated ~ The NIST and "Pancaking". More deception from conspiracy theorists...

Must Read! ~ 9-11 and the New Pearl Harbor (Part I) (Part II)
http://www.gnn.tv/articles/2577/9_11_and_the_New_Pearl_Harbor_Part_I

Reply to conspiracy theorist hit piece ~ Below and on the World Trade Center 7 page I respond to a conspiracy theorist's hit piece which mocks my grammar and distorts the firefighters quotes.

Debunking 9/11 exclusive! ~ Portion of World Trade Center 7 South Side Hole

Updated ~ Prof. Steven E Jones The controversial professor of BYU's Cold Fusion physics department and his scholars for truth. Jones is placed on leave with pay and my view on the topic.

Added ~ Examination of evidence concerning asbestos at the towers and occupancy at the time of the attack.

Debunking 911 Links - 9/11 Conspiracy debunking sites... Peer reviewed papers and articles on how the towers collapsed..

Molten Steel Explained - Conspiracy sites like to bring up molten steel found 6 weeks after the buildings fell to suggest a bomb must have created the effect. There is another explanation which is more plausible.

"Iron Burns!!! Mark R Ferran's E-mails to the scholars explaining to them how iron can burn/oxidize in low temperature fires.

The "Squib" Squabble - An examination of the evidence which squelches the "Squibs" issue.

Rethinking Thermite - The reality of thermite and an examination of the evidence

The Free Fall Fallacy - Photographic evidence the towers did not fall at free fall speed.

World Trade Center 7 - Firefighter interviews proving Silverstein meant "pull" the ongoing [rescue operations] out of building 7's immediate area. Proof also that Building 7 was a lot worse than conspiracy theorists lead you to believe.

Columns and Trusses - Photographic evidence the trusses sagged due to fire and pulled the columns in causing the catastrophic collapse.

Peer Reviewed Paper - A look at the only paper which passed peer review on what caused the WTC collapse and the people behind it.

The Fire - The fireman's quote saying all that was needed was two fire hoses to put out the fires is taken out of context by conspiracy theorists.

The Firefighter Quotes - Evidence that conspiracy theorists are lying and taking firefighter quotes out of context.

Civil Engineers' Quotes Structural and Civil Engineers who have spoken out against Controlled Demolition conspiracy theory.

Osama Bin Laden - "A few Arabs in the desert could not have pulled this off..." Why Osama is perfect for this attack.

The Zogby Poll - Conspiracy sites point to a Zogby poll which they suggest proves that the American people think the government blew up the towers. Why that's not the case.

Real Conspiracy - What a real conspiracy looks like. Ironically, this conspiracy goes unnoticed by the conspiracy theorists.

First time in history - Conspiracy sites bring up the fact that the towers were the first steel high raises to fall in history. The fact is the towers had a lot of firsts that day.

The Meeting - The absurd meeting which must have occurred between government accomplices if conspiracy theorists are right.

Sounds of Explosions - A look at a possible explanation for what some people saw and heard.

Massive Conspiracy - All the people who would have to be involved in order to pull this massive conspiracy off...

Debunking 911 Links - 9/11 Conspiracy debunking sites... Peer reviewed papers and articles on how the towers collapsed..

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Architect Magazine: Architects Shy From Truther 9/11 Conspiracy Theory

From Architect Magazine, this recent article on the distance the American Institute of Architects wisely puts between Richard Gage and AE911Truth:

What is more interesting than these bizarre and debunked conspiracy theories is the way that Gage places his AIA membership front and center in his presentations. He seems to be attempting to cloak his organization in the officialdom of the venerable 155-year-old professional institution, even as AIA wants nothing to do with his organization. At the start of his latest film, he explains that he is “a licensed architect of over 20 years and member of the American Institute of Architects.”

Gage often seems to wield his AIA status in promoting his conspiracy theories. In making his case, he also regularly cites that more than 100 AIA members and at least six AIA Fellows have signed his petition calling for a new investigation. In total, Gage says that more than 1,700 of the petition’s roughly 16,000 signatures are from architects and engineers.

During the screening, Gage was at the very least intimating that his organization had been invited to AIA officially.

…Aside from Gage, though, there was not a single other architect in the room, much less an official from AIA, or even another member. The 80-strong crowd was made up largely of members of the local 9/11 Truth movement and other political activists.

There is and never will be an AIA endorsement of these foolish and anti-rational theories of Richard Gage and AE911Truth. Buyer, beware.

It was rather nice of the author to point out the borderline anti-Semitic theories of some of Gage’s followers, theories that Gage only half-heartedly holds away from himself and AE911Truth. Can’t bite the hand that feeds you, right, Richard?

$75,450

Richard Gage’s salary in 2009 from Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth. That’s according to the 2009 Form 990-EZ available right now at Guidestar.org, an online organization that helps track non-profits.

The total revenue for 2009 – $344,570. Salaries for Gage and others topped out at $107,417. That means salaries constitute 31% of AE911Truth’s expenses.

In other words, Richard Gage’s salary is 21% of all revenue received by AE911Truth in 2009.

I’ll post a more detailed analysis of this (and the 2008 Form 990-EZ) later.

ETA: My detailed look at the 2007 Form 990-EZ for AE911Truth is available at the link.

payne1000

Yes, emarine and Blade Runner must be very happy to have you helping their cause.
You demonstrate the authentic mindset of the anti-truth movement.