The idea of "my Truth" is foreign to me. Some opinions I have may be subjective, but Truth, real Truth, is either absolute or relativistic. But allow me to tell you an incident from history to, as you put it, "understand my point of view better." Before we begin, I would like for you to briefly consider if there is anything for which you or your family would willingly sacrifice your lives? While you consider the remote possibility of that ever happening to your family, I want to tell you about a mere pinch of incense that cost the lives of thousands of Christian families.

For all the horror stories we've heard how terrible the Romans persecuted Christians, the Roman hierarchy weren't entirely unsympathetic to their plight. In Rome, for example, there was a building called the Pantheon which housed all the Roman gods as well as the monolithic gods of the people they had conquered. The major concern of Rome was not the Christian God but rather the Christian refusal to acknowledge any God, including Caesar, other than their own. (A parallel to those ancient times we see today in America with the intolerance towards Christian morals and values.)

Rome contrived what they considered a reasonable compromise. In the Pantheon burned day and night a brazier for the sole purpose of worshippers to put in a pinch of incense honoring all the different gods. The Roman hierarchy sought a compromise by which all a Christian had to do was put a mere pinch of incense on the brazier under surveillance of a guard and go free. Thousands suffered martyrdom instead. Next, the hierarchy suggested the guard would have his back turned, put on the pinch of incense and go free. Thousands more ended up in the arena to be killed by beasts and other means; entire families. Fully exasperated, Christians were told that the guard would have his back turned and all that would be required of them was to pretend they were tossing a pinch of incense on the brazier to false gods. Some, of course, compromised their faith from the first opportunity but the vast majority did not and willingly sacrificed their lives and refused to compromise their faith by even pretending to toss a pinch of incense to honor a lie. Today, America and her people toss heaping shovels full of incense constantly. Today, some faithful Christians continue to refuse to compromise our faith so that the evil and hedonistic government, and those who support it, can sacrifice the lives of children in the wombs of their mothers, as well as destroy the sanctity of marriage and family. We resist evil not because we always expect to win, but simply because evil exists. Compromise more often is not a virtue but a vice. The early church had much to say about the sin of abortion and it is well documented.

I choose to stand among the historical faithful. You may see me as a stubborn ass, a mule, but I prefer the analogy of a finely trained race horse who will run the race as hard as he can all the way to the finish line.

I'm sorry to hear you are not well. I sincerely wish you the best. My brother is also unwell and he also clings to life though he is not religious... so I guess life can be valued without religion too, but I do appreciate that for some, religion is a source of strength and I respect that. I really don't have a problem with any religion until it starts to force itself on others and that goes for the Muslims as much as the Christians.

As for the so-called "pro-life" advocacy, I don't see it as being so much a religious issue as I do a legal issue that religious groups including Christians and Muslims tend to support. My attacks fall squarely on that legal advocacy. As far as I am concerned I am the real pro-life contender here and I oppose the legal objective of the so-called "pro-life" advocacy because I think that objective (prohibition) will put millions more in utero at risk of being murdered and with an escalated degree of brutality.

This is why I can't bring myself to reference the advocacy as "pro-life" without the "so-called" prelude.

But allow me to tell you an incident from history to, as you put it, "understand my point of view better." Before we begin, I would like for you to briefly consider if there is anything for which you or your family would willingly sacrifice your lives? While you consider the remote possibility of that ever happening to your family, I want to tell you about a mere pinch of incense that cost the lives of thousands of Christian families.

For all the horror stories we've heard how terrible the Romans persecuted Christians, the Roman hierarchy weren't entirely unsympathetic to their plight. In Rome, for example, there was a building called the Pantheon which housed all the Roman gods as well as the monolithic gods of the people they had conquered. The major concern of Rome was not the Christian God but rather the Christian refusal to acknowledge any God, including Caesar, other than their own. (A parallel to those ancient times we see today in America with the intolerance towards Christian morals and values.)

Rome contrived what they considered a reasonable compromise. In the Pantheon burned day and night a brazier for the sole purpose of worshippers to put in a pinch of incense honoring all the different gods. The Roman hierarchy sought a compromise by which all a Christian had to do was put a mere pinch of incense on the brazier under surveillance of a guard and go free. Thousands suffered martyrdom instead. Next, the hierarchy suggested the guard would have his back turned, put on the pinch of incense and go free. Thousands more ended up in the arena to be killed by beasts and other means; entire families. Fully exasperated, Christians were told that the guard would have his back turned and all that would be required of them was to pretend they were tossing a pinch of incense on the brazier to false gods. Some, of course, compromised their faith from the first opportunity but the vast majority did not and willingly sacrificed their lives and refused to compromise their faith by even pretending to toss a pinch of incense to honor a lie. Today, America and her people toss heaping shovels full of incense constantly. Today, some faithful Christians continue to refuse to compromise our faith so that the evil and hedonistic government, and those who support it, can sacrifice the lives of children in the wombs of their mothers, as well as destroy the sanctity of marriage and family. We resist evil not because we always expect to win, but simply because evil exists. Compromise more often is not a virtue but a vice. The early church had much to say about the sin of abortion and it is well documented.

I choose to stand among the historical faithful. You may see me as a stubborn ass, a mule, but I prefer the analogy of a finely trained race horse who will run the race as hard as he can all the way to the finish line.

I'm sorry to hear you are not well. I sincerely wish you the best. My brother is also unwell and he also clings to life though he is not religious... so I guess life can be valued without religion too, but I do appreciate that for some, religion is a source of strength and I respect that. I really don't have a problem with any religion until it starts to force itself on others and that goes for the Muslims as much as the Christians.

As for the so-called "pro-life" advocacy, I don't see it as being so much a religious issue as I do a legal issue that religious groups including Christians and Muslims tend to support. My attacks fall squarely on that legal advocacy. As far as I am concerned I am the real pro-life contender here and I oppose the legal objective of the so-called "pro-life" advocacy because I think that objective (prohibition) will put millions more in utero at risk of being murdered and with an escalated degree of brutality.

This is why I can't bring myself to reference the advocacy as "pro-life" without the "so-called" prelude.

The reason you are incapable of understanding abortion as a religious issue is because your lack of faith makes you unable to understand the sanctity (the holiness) of human life. And let's clear up a falsehood constantly articulated by the uninformed. Christians are not allowed to force their faith on anyone. In fact, Jesus was very specific in telling His Disciples that anyone who rejects His peace that they are to "dust their feet of them" and leave them alone. (In the Western vernacular that means "pack it up, turn it around and send it back home.")More often than not I find that it's the anti-God folks raising hell with those of us who do believe. They tell us how stupid we are to sanction protecting innocent human life of the unborn and that homosexuality is natural, normal and healthy, etc. And as far as I'm concerned, those folks can go piss up a rope. (Am I allowed to say that on TV?)

You can say that to me... There isn't a word in the language that will be as offensive as the ideas I see being conveyed by some on this forum - even using the cleanest words.

The problem mike, is that you aren't doing what you are saying you are doing... If you were protecting innocent human lives I would be supporting you, but you aren't. All you are doing is trying to force a rule to make it illegal, which won't stop the killing. You are doing NOTHING to actually stop the abortions from happening, in fact you are actively interfering with those that are.

Yeah, ok mike... think up something real good, now...

Look... I've already stated my position and I think I was pretty clear and I already know you're position. I seriously doubt either one of us will be able to change the mind of the other and I'm not going to get into a slap fight with some religious zealot.

So let me say this... We have both declared a dedication to saving lives. This is something we have in common. We both seem to agree that life is sacred. It may be an idea to keep that in mind while also understanding that we have two different perspectives on how best to save these lives.