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Nov 29, 2016 08:28:39   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
PeterS wrote:
If you honestly don't think we live in a democracy then don't vote. It's as simple as that...


I not only think we don't live in a democracy, I know we don't. We live in a constitutional republic. Not a democracy. We are bound by the rule of law, not the arbitrary will of some majority. There is a world of difference between the two:

http://www.diffen.com/difference/Democracy_vs_Republic

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Nov 29, 2016 08:35:26   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
PeterS wrote:
Why are you guys so afraid of answering the question. The media is strewn with false stories, many repeated by Trump and others, and you believe them. Do you think it matters to our republic whether we vote for lies or if we vote for the truth!


Your question was answered but you do not like the answer , of course there is fake news . You have to put on your big boy panty's (in your case) .. YES FAKE NEWS HAPPENS , so do your research .. What you are implying it is only fake if it comes from the right Pete , so pull your panty's up and admit it .. I guess your thread is fake news also ..fake truth .. YOU CAN NOT HANDLE THE TRUTH !!



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Nov 29, 2016 08:50:20   #
Rivers
 
PeterS wrote:
With the plethora of fake news stories that popped up during this election cycle one has to ask if the influence of fake news hurts our democracy? Now generally fake news says something that we would agree with anyway--like 'If I ran for president it would be as a republican because the are the dumbest group of voters out there' attributed falsely to Donald Trump or ‘I Was Paid $3,500 To Protest Trump’s Rally.' falsely attributed to a Trump supporter and repeated by Trumps son Eric.

The list goes on and on but it seems to me that false news feeds into our gullibility and goes to enormous lengths to destroy our trust in our news sources and even our trust in each other. Talk about divisiveness in our country nothing contribute more to it then the creation, distribution, and ultimately the belief in fake news. Just today Trump was running on about the fake news story of 3 million illegals voting where there is zero evidence of illegal votes nor, if they did happen, who they were cast for. If we can't trust our election system how can we trust that it produced a true and accurate result? Should we nationalize our election process and have it regulated and standardized by the federal government and redo it?

Do you see the problem with and danger when we start repeating fake news stories. Donald Trump seems to be saying we can't trust the outcome of the election so if we can't trust it should we create as system that we can trust and repeat the election?
With the plethora of fake news stories that popped... (show quote)


Yeah, I have a problem with fake news, that's why I have a problem with anything you post. A simple solution to preventing illegals from voting, and don't say they don't, oh, it might not be three million, but it is several thousand if not a million or two. Anyway, to prevent it, do just what Trump proposes...build a wall and shut down the border. Deport the illegals that have criminal records, and beef up E-Verify and other tools to force many illegals to leave. Presto, fraudulent voting by illegals a none issue! It will also have a big plus in that it will send, and keep, a lot of Democrats in Mexico.

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Nov 29, 2016 10:27:35   #
JW
 
PeterS wrote:
You are debating rhetoric instead of answering the question. If you honestly don't think we live in a democracy then don't vote. It's as simple as that...


The vote is for representation in the government... not for action. No one we vote for is bound to any promise made to the voters. If you honestly think we are a democracy, you clearly fail to understand our form of government and more so, what a democracy is. The only thing that even comes close to democracy is the periodic referendum on legalizing pot. Even that isn't binding.

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Nov 29, 2016 13:46:30   #
buffalo Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
Why are you guys so afraid of answering the question. The media is strewn with false stories, many repeated by Trump and others, and you believe them. Do you think it matters to our republic whether we vote for lies or if we vote for the truth!


Peterpuffer, you are truly one of the brainwashed moonbats.

Truth Revolt
November 29, 2016

The following exchange that aired between MSNBC’s Chris Hayes and NPR’s Bob Garfeld illustrates just how out of touch with reality the mainstream media truly are.

Despite overwhelming proof of mainstream media’s lies and left-wing bias, Hayes and Garfeld insist that the real brainwashing comes from a vast network of right-wing media sources.

The duo fretted over the credibility of President-elect Trump’s recent statement pointing to evidence that millions of votes were cast illegally in the presidential election. Classic liberal hypocrisy considering the mainstream media are the nation’s leading disseminators of lies. Newsbusters parses the relevant portions of the transcript and provides the clip below:

“The people who get it and we at the mainstream media, you know, get the straight dope but about half the electorate is getting their information from other sources, none credible,” he whined.

The ranting Garfield blamed the success of “right wing media” on what he called “330 million individual echo chambers,” which he claimed helped to insulate people from news they don’t want to hear. He didn’t seem to realize that his belief works both ways, especially when it’s evident that left does not want to consider another perspective on nearly everything.

“And the convergence of the socially mediated world and an unprecedentedly dishonest president have put us in this crazy nightmare inside of an outrage inside of an apocalypse. It’s nuts.”

Garfeld’s meltdown continued as he worried about right-wing indoctrination.
“And right now we have about half the population who is — who have been conditioned, conditioned, one might even say brainwashed by close to 50 years of right-wing media, which has characterized, demonized mainstream media and characterized it as unpatriotic and un-American and has talked about grossly misogynistic way and in grossly racist terms, in Islamicophobic and xenophobic terms and has allowed about half of our population to bathe in a sort humiliation.”

“The humiliation that I think is strikingly parallel to the humiliation of the German people after World War I and the treaty of Versailles.”

Of course, they must always link it back to the Holocaust, because Trump is “Hitler.”

While we could say their lack of self-awareness is breathtaking, we think hypocrites like Garfeld and Hayes know full well that they are lying through their teeth. As we’ve maintained, the Left always accuses others of that which it is guilty of a thousand-fold.

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/msnbc-right-wing-media-brainwashed-people-believe-lies

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Nov 29, 2016 14:32:40   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
PeterS wrote:
Why are you guys so afraid of answering the question. The media is strewn with false stories, many repeated by Trump and others, and you believe them. Do you think it matters to our republic whether we vote for lies or if we vote for the truth!


Seriously?

A Hillary/Obama supporter worried about lies?

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Nov 29, 2016 20:38:27   #
cali
 
I only WISH fake news included pizzagate, but tragically it doesn't.

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Nov 30, 2016 07:55:21   #
payne1000
 
Tasine wrote:
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I don't know to whom you are asking this question. Conservatives have been complaining about the fake news for decades and the left has been denying it. Suddenly you see the fake news in major newspapers and tv? CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, NYT, WaPo, etc........ALL PROVIDE fake news, and they do it for a specific purpose: to brainwash people like yourself who doesn't know the difference between deliberately lying and making a mistake, who cannot IMAGINE one of the media deliberately LYING for a political purpose, even when PROOF is presented. The MSM does occasionally report true news, but even when it does, I have trouble believing it because it deals in political LIES too often. I'll trust citizens fighting back with the pen FAR MORE THAN I will ever again trust the MSM.

Does the MSM hurt our nation? You're darned tootin' it does.......your question and our answers PROVE THAT. I have NEVER IN MY 78 YEARS TRUSTED AN ELECTION BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT CEMETERIES VOTING SINCE I WAS A SMALL CHILD, and I think people who have ever trusted an election, meaning NO CHEATING (often by the loser), are too naive to vote. Trump did no cheating. In all likelihood the Democrats did because it is what cheaters do.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ br I don't ... (show quote)


Many on this forum agree that mainstream news media is a habitual liar.
How many of you have been curious as to who owns and controls the content of MSM?











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Nov 30, 2016 08:02:16   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
payne1000 wrote:
Many on this forum agree that mainstream news media is a habitual liar.
How many of you have been curious as to who owns and controls the content of MSM?

So?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

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Nov 30, 2016 08:12:38   #
payne1000
 
Tasine wrote:
So?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


If Arabs owned and controlled all our mainstream news, would you be concerned?

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Nov 30, 2016 08:23:27   #
Larry the Legend Loc: Not hiding in Milton
 
payne1000 wrote:
If Arabs owned and controlled all our mainstream news, would you be concerned?


Not a bit. I don't watch it anyway. If everyone decided to turn their TV off, we'd all be in a better place.

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Nov 30, 2016 08:28:34   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
payne1000 wrote:
Many on this forum agree that mainstream news media is a habitual liar.
How many of you have been curious as to who owns and controls the content of MSM?

Are these the secret Jews that installed Hillary as POTUS?

How many times go you have to be proven wrong before you stop pretending to believe these nutbags?

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Nov 30, 2016 08:30:00   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
payne1000 wrote:
If Arabs owned and controlled all our mainstream news, would you be concerned?


They control the media you regurgitate as gospel. Are you concerned?

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Nov 30, 2016 08:56:36   #
payne1000
 
Larry the Legend wrote:
Not a bit. I don't watch it anyway. If everyone decided to turn their TV off, we'd all be in a better place.


Like me you must get most of your information from the internet.
Zionists are attempting to get control of the net as well.
They have a vast network of political organizations working to gain that control.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBH_kDw1RH0

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Nov 30, 2016 09:07:27   #
payne1000
 
Super Dave wrote:
Are these the secret Jews that installed Hillary as POTUS?

How many times go you have to be proven wrong before you stop pretending to believe these nutbags?


The Zionist controlled media didn't care who was elected. They picked the candidates so their bases were covered.
Most of what the Zionist owners cared about was the $billions they made on the marathon campaigns.
Les Moonves, CEO of CBS and grand nephew of David Ben Gurion, said this:
"It may not be good for America, but it's damn good for CBS," . . . Man, who would have expected the ride we're all
having right now? ... The money's rolling in and this is fun . . . I've never seen anything like this, and this going to be a very good year for us. Sorry. It's a terrible thing to say. But, bring it on, Donald. Keep going."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/02/les-moonves-trump-cbs-220001

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