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Oct 26, 2016 16:32:01   #
mcmlx
 
bilordinary wrote:
Really 60, don't you think that explains a few things?



As much as I wanted to, I wasn't going to go there.
But, yeah.

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Oct 26, 2016 20:52:36   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Richard94611 wrote:
I am interested in knowing what has actually happened to ObamaCare premiums. Have you seen an increase ? If you have, how much? Mine went up, but not by much. Just the facts, please. Save the arguments and hysteria for some other thread.


1/1/17.

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Oct 26, 2016 20:58:25   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
lpnmajor wrote:
There will be an increase. Not because of the ACA, but because no one has yet dealt with the out of control healthcare costs, which have NOTHING to do with insurance. The ACA was a start, a flawed start, but still a start - but ONLY a start. Instead of doing something thing about the skyrocketing costs of the care insurance pays for, the Congress chose to try and derail the only real effort there has ever been to do address the problem, by trying to repeal the ACA - not replace it with something better - just repeal it.

The American people were shafted by democrats, who rammed through an ill conceived bill and who then refused to fix it, then shafted again by republicans who refused to do anything but try and repeal it. Americans have access to the best healthcare in the world - if you can afford to avail yourself of that luxury. The best insurance still only pays up to 80% of hospital charges, and when a two day stay for routine care can exceed $100,000, a middle class family could be financially harmed, for any longer stay, chronic conditions or trauma, middle class families are ruined.

There is absolutely NO reason for a routine MRI to exceed $800 anywhere in the country, yet people and insurance companies are forced to pay $1500 - $3000 per scan. Cat scans should not exceed $250, etc., etc., yet no one asks questions about the outrageous charges. Once most everyone was covered by some form of insurance, healthcare providers no longer had "uncompensated care" as an excuse for inflated pricing. This should have resulted in a decrease in individuals bills, as they were no longer being charged to pay for non insured persons care, but that didn't happen, in fact, healthcare costs INCREASED - and no one took them to task.

Publicly traded corporations providing healthcare, should NOT have tax exempt status - yet they do and no one asks questions. Non profit and not for profit healthcare facilities are such for TAX purposes, but make tons of money even so - and no one asks questions. Insurance companies don't care, they make their profit anyway - at your expense. Healthcare providers don't care, they make their profit anyway - at your expense. Pharmaceutical companies don't care, they make lots of profit - at your expense. Medical supply and device companies don't care, they makes tons of profit with little competition - at your expense.

Want insurance cost to go down? Don't look at the insurance - look at the costs that insurance pays. THIS is what the Congress needs and needed to be doing, instead of playing politics - at your expense.
There will be an increase. Not because of the ACA,... (show quote)


Totally incorrect. The increased are the direct result of the SCOTUS stopping Obama from illegally funneling money not earmarked for the ACA to the carrier's to offset their losses. Without that money they raised premiums and out of pockets caps. The next change will be.the restructuring of covered protocols and.procedures. Then failure.

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Oct 26, 2016 21:46:41   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Ricko wrote:
Richard-just saw a report where premiums will increase from 10% to 50% depending on the State. Believe 3 or 4 States will see the 50% increase while most will be in the 25 to 30% range. One State, Ind. had a decline. Problems are that there are fewer specialists and hospitals participating so not good news for most insured under the ACA. This plan was purposely designed so that the increases will occur after Obama leaves office. Believe the name should be change to Obamascare or Obamascam. Good Luck America !!!
Richard-just saw a report where premiums will incr... (show quote)


Yes. Increased but medical charges are not the driver behind these insurance raises as I explained to lpnmajor.

These raises were planned long in advance and the SCOTUS stopping the Obama bail money added to the bottom line.

Medical charges are out of control. So are medical costs. All sectors of healthcare have been negatively impacted by this monstrosity called obamacare.

Nurses spend more time filling out endless forms than treating pts. now. More pt. visit time is now spent with needless tests and evaluations than with the Dr. Consequently Drs. see fewer pts. or work longer hours. The result is that the PACS the Dr. works for charge more.

Hospitals are no longer allowed multiple pt. rooms and wards. = less income per capita = higher charges. More paperwork in house has an even larger impact than in the Dr's. office. Illegals must be treated by the thousands. Getting paid for it is another matter so up go the charges to the covered citizens.

To that add that many Drs. and hospitals are now refusing to participate. That over loads participators which escalates all the afore mentioned problems and up go the charges again

But aside from all that, pause for a moment and think about human greed.

The ACA blindly created a situation wherein by law everyone must be insured. To the more unscrupulous providers whether Dr, hospital, or PAC....that is akin to letting loose a glutton into a buffet and giving him 10 gallon buckets for carry outs.

This act was engineered to fail before it was drafted. And the worst isn't here yet. The only step left is for the remaining carriers to develop a list of denials for selected protocols and procedures in their last effort to turn profits. Then....taps.

All to give the fed control of your health care so that will be another chunk of your life you will be completely dependent on them for.

If you don't want the fed in charge of your life, do what you can to get people to the polls and keep Hillary out of the WH because if she wins, what I've outlined above will happen. If you by now do not see her goals and hunger for federal power, you never will.

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Oct 28, 2016 12:56:37   #
Bigmac495 Loc: Indiana
 
Richard94611 wrote:
I am interested in knowing what has actually happened to ObamaCare premiums. Have you seen an increase ? If you have, how much? Mine went up, but not by much. Just the facts, please. Save the arguments and hysteria for some other thread.


You know the premium cost is not the total reason to sign up for Obuma health!
Check the co-pays for all plans because , if you should be hospitalized some show you have a de-duct able of over $10,000 before Obuma care pays a penny. This is far more important than the monthly cost!
Are you willing to bet you would not have a hospital need for the whole year?

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Oct 28, 2016 13:03:58   #
Ricko Loc: Florida
 
valkyrierider wrote:
My wife's insurance before Obamacare was 470.00 per month. It is now 756.50 per month and her SSI check is 850.00 per month. On her policy she is paying for child health care and child dental and we have no children at home. So now we are looking at another big increase. We will just have to cancel her insurance and pay out of pocket which will be cheaper. Obama Care Sucks.


valkyrierider-Exactly !! This plan is on a par with NAFTA and the Iran Deal. The taxpayer gets screwed either way and rarely benefits. They talk about 20 million newly insured however only 12 million actually signed up and pay premiums while the remainder was an expansion of medicaid. We had approximately 36 million uninsured before this monster was passed and we now have 33 million uninsured so some of the people who lost their insurance as a result of the ACA obviously chose to pay the penalties as opposed to buying something they do not want or can afford. This thing has been an albatross from day one and it was predicated on lies. The democrats own this one lock,stock and barrel. It is their folly and probably needs to be totally replaced. Good Luck America !!!

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