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Oct 26, 2016 03:23:33   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Richard94611 wrote:
I guess you have difficulty reading. The article was a thoughtful one. It isn't just a matter of "I like this candidate" and "I hate this candidate." Politicial decision such as that are complex and require deliberate thought.


No, actually it isn't particle physics. Rocket science....maybe, but that's easy.

I don't like either one, but I don't like Hillary more.

See? Easy.

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Oct 26, 2016 03:24:02   #
Richard94611
 
We will see what we will see. It isn't over until the fat lady sings, but if Trump wins, it will be because of the incredible ignorance and stupidity of a huge number of Americans. In such a situation, you would at first rejoice. Then, as the realities sank in, you would regret your choice.


Docadhoc wrote:
The word here was "appear".

Hold that thought.

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Oct 26, 2016 03:26:06   #
Richard94611
 
If Trump has spent a significant amount of time and effort in his life trying to help other people, I sure would like to know it. He is the most self-centered, pathological liar I have ever come across. I like Hillary.

Docadhoc wrote:
No, actually it isn't particle physics. Rocket science....maybe, but that's easy.

I don't like either one, but I don't like Hillary more.

See? Easy.

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Oct 26, 2016 03:48:50   #
Richard94611
 
Glenn Beck made his disdain for GOP nominee Donald Trump clear earlier this month, when he suggested voting for Democrat Hillary Clinton could be a “moral, ethical choice.” Now, the conservative pundit has gone even further, saying that Trump’s behavior seems “possibly sociopathic.”

In an interview with Charlie Rose on Tuesday, Beck said he thought Trump was a sociopath because of his lack of empathy for others.

“Have you seen him, during the last year and a half, truly feel for someone that couldn’t help him?” Beck asked. “Truly connect on a human level and say, ‘This has made me stop. This has made me think. I’m deeply sorry for what I have said?’”

“Frightening,” he added.

Beck has been part of the conservative anti-Trump movement. He told Vice that he even considered voting for Clinton, but ultimately “can’t do it.”

“I think Donald Trump is so unstable ― so dangerous ― that it has crossed my mind,” Beck said.

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Oct 26, 2016 15:38:06   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Richard94611 wrote:
If Trump has spent a significant amount of time and effort in his life trying to help other people, I sure would like to know it. He is the most self-centered, pathological liar I have ever come across. I like Hillary.


If you don't know, you can easily look it.up. ignorance is no longer a valid excuse.

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Oct 26, 2016 15:48:38   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Glenn Beck made his disdain for GOP nominee Donald Trump clear earlier this month, when he suggested voting for Democrat Hillary Clinton could be a “moral, ethical choice.” Now, the conservative pundit has gone even further, saying that Trump’s behavior seems “possibly sociopathic.”

In an interview with Charlie Rose on Tuesday, Beck said he thought Trump was a sociopath because of his lack of empathy for others.

“Have you seen him, during the last year and a half, truly feel for someone that couldn’t help him?” Beck asked. “Truly connect on a human level and say, ‘This has made me stop. This has made me think. I’m deeply sorry for what I have said?’”

“Frightening,” he added.

Beck has been part of the conservative anti-Trump movement. He told Vice that he even considered voting for Clinton, but ultimately “can’t do it.”

“I think Donald Trump is so unstable ― so dangerous ― that it has crossed my mind,” Beck said.
Glenn Beck made his disdain for GOP nominee Donald... (show quote)


Apparently you do not know that Beck went off the deep end more than two years ago, long before Trump announced, and no longer speaks for conservatives.

Since you espouse liberal nonsense, your attempt to.use a former cons. against cons. show how desperate you are.

Beck has lost many sponsors and his credibility since his big turn. He says he had a religious epiphany, and if.you don't believe him he'll insult and cuss you out on air to prove it. If you do believe him, you can pay the required fee to get his network, which is going down the tubes due to his new found mouth.

Better research the credibility of.your sources more deeply.

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Oct 26, 2016 16:43:41   #
Richard94611
 
Thanks for your input. I am definitely not desperate.

Docadhoc wrote:
Apparently you do not know that Beck went off the deep end more than two years ago, long before Trump announced, and no longer speaks for conservatives.

Since you espouse liberal nonsense, your attempt to.use a former cons. against cons. show how desperate you are.

Beck has lost many sponsors and his credibility since his big turn. He says he had a religious epiphany, and if.you don't believe him he'll insult and cuss you out on air to prove it. If you do believe him, you can pay the required fee to get his network, which is going down the tubes due to his new found mouth.

Better research the credibility of.your sources more deeply.
Apparently you do not know that Beck went off the ... (show quote)

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Oct 26, 2016 16:45:17   #
Richard94611
 
Looking up Trump's past attempts to help other people is a fool's errand, since he has not done that. His attempts to "help" may seem like help to you, but they are always self-serving. You obviously don't have a grip on Trump's personality.


Docadhoc wrote:
If you don't know, you can easily look it.up. ignorance is no longer a valid excuse.

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Oct 26, 2016 23:46:18   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Richard94611 wrote:
What Drives Donald Trump? Fear of Losing Status, Tapes Show
The Run-Up
Michael Barbaro
THE RUN-UP OCT. 25, 2016

Recordings of Donald J. Trump reveal a man who is fixated on his own celebrity, anxious about losing his status and contemptuous of those who fall from grace. Credit Damon Winter/The New York Times
By any measure, Arsenio Hall was a Hollywood success: He had starred in popular films, packed houses as a stand-up comic and hosted a hit late-night television show bearing his name.

Donald J. Trump saw it differently by the mid-2000s. In his eyes, Mr. Hall was nothing.

“Dead as a doornail,” was his assessment of Mr. Hall in a previously unreleased interview from two years ago. “Dead as dog meat.”

Why such a harsh judgment? Because in Mr. Trump’s eyes, Mr. Hall had suffered the most grievous form of public humiliation: His celebrity had waned. His star had dimmed.

It was, in short, Mr. Trump’s worst nightmare.

“Couldn’t get on television,” Mr. Trump said with disgust. “They wouldn’t even take his phone call.”

The intense ambitions and undisciplined behaviors of Mr. Trump have confounded even those close to him, especially as his presidential campaign comes to a tumultuous end, and he confronts the possibility of the most stinging defeat of his life. But in the more than five hours of conversations — the last extensive biographical interviews Mr. Trump granted before running for president — a powerful driving force emerges: his deep-seated fear of public embarrassment.

The recordings reveal a man who is fixated on his own celebrity, anxious about losing his status and contemptuous of those who fall from grace. They capture the visceral pleasure he derives from fighting, his willful lack of interest in history, his reluctance to reflect on his life and his belief that most people do not deserve his respect.

In the interviews, Mr. Trump makes clear just how difficult it is for him to imagine — let alone accept — defeat.

“I never had a failure,” Mr. Trump said in one of the interviews, despite his repeated corporate bankruptcies and business setbacks, “because I always turned a failure into a success.”

The interviews were conducted in 2014 by Michael D’Antonio, a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter who later wrote a biography of Mr. Trump called “The Truth About Trump.”

Mr. D’Antonio now disapproves of Mr. Trump’s candidacy and gave transcripts of the interviews to Hillary Clinton’s campaign this year. After a brief meeting with a few Clinton aides, he said, he never heard back from Mrs. Clinton’s staff.

Over the past few weeks, Mr. D’Antonio gave The New York Times access to the original audio as well as transcripts of his interviews with Mr. Trump, Mr. Trump’s first wife, Ivana, and his three oldest children. The Times is using them as the basis for this article and a two-part episode of its election podcast, “The Run-Up.”

Mr. Trump, in a statement on Monday night, called the recordings “Pretty old and pretty boring stuff. Hope people enjoy it.”

In the interviews, which occurred in Mr. Trump’s office and apartment in Trump Tower in Manhattan, he is by turns animated and bored, boastful and stubborn when prodded toward soul-searching. “No, I don’t want to think about it,” he said when Mr. D’Antonio asked him to contemplate the meaning of his life. “I don’t like to analyze myself because I might not like what I see.”

Despite his reluctance, Mr. Trump reveals himself over and over, in the stories he tells, in his wide-ranging answers to questions and at times in casual, seemingly throwaway lines.

Who does he look up to? “I don’t have heroes,” Mr. Trump said.

Does he examine history to better understand the present? “I don’t like talking about the past,” he said, later adding, “It’s all about the present and the future.”

Who earns his respect? “For the most part,” he said, “you can’t respect people because most people aren’t worthy of respect.”

His lavish lifestyle? “I could be very happy in a one-bedroom,” he said, motioning at his vast penthouse apartment. “I don’t need this — three floors.”

His struggle to balance work and love? “It’s very hard for somebody to be married to me,” he said.

But he always seems to return, in one form or another, to the theme of humiliation.

He reserves special scorn for people who embarrass themselves in front of their peers. He tells the story of an unnamed bank president who became inebriated during an award dinner at the Waldorf Astoria hotel in Manhattan, a ritual of New York society. By the end of the night, he recalls, the man was incapable of walking and had to be carried out, to Mr. Trump’s disapproval.

DONALD TRUMP: … We all had a leg, an arm, a back, and we carried him out of the room that night, right after he made the worst speech you’ve ever heard. And I never looked at him the same way after that. ...

I’ll never forget that in front of a room of the most important people, we had to carry him out of the room. And so things like that had an impact on me.

There is little trace of sympathy or understanding. When people lose face, Mr. Trump’s reaction is swift and unforgiving.

And when Mr. Trump feels he has been made a fool of, his response can be volcanic. Ivana Trump told Mr. D’Antonio about a Colorado ski vacation she took with Mr. Trump soon after they began dating. The future Mrs. Trump had not told her boyfriend that she was an accomplished skier. As she recalls it, Mr. Trump went down the hill first and waited for her at the bottom:

IVANA TRUMP: So he goes and stops, and he says, “Come on, baby. Come on, baby.” I went up. I went two flips up in the air, two flips in front of him. I disappeared. Donald was so angry, he took off his skis, his ski boots, and walked up to the restaurant. ... He could not take it. He could not take it.

He had been bested in public. As he stormed off the slope, leaving behind a trail of equipment, she recalled, Mr. Trump could not contain his embarrassment.

“I’m not going to do this,” she recalled him saying, “for anybody, including Ivana.”


On the tapes, Mr. Trump describes a passionate enjoyment of fighting, which started during his adolescence in Queens. It did not matter, he said, whether an altercation was verbal or physical. He loved it all the same.

MR. TRUMP: I was a very rebellious kind of person. I don’t like to talk about it, actually. But I was a very rebellious person and very set in my ways.

INTERVIEWER: In eighth grade?

MR. TRUMP: I loved to fight. I always loved to fight.

INTERVIEWER: Physical fights?

MR. TRUMP: Yeah, all kinds of fights, physical ...

INTERVIEWER: Arguments?

MR. TRUMP: All types of fights. Any kind of fight, I loved it, including physical. ...

His behavior was so belligerent that his parents sent him off around age 13 to the all-boys New York Military Academy, a highly regimented school about an hour north of Manhattan. He seemed to revel in the masculine culture of confrontation there. In the interview, he sounds nostalgic for the time when roughness and physical conflict were more acceptable:

MR. TRUMP: I’m standing there at the military academy and this guy comes out, he’s like a bulldog, too, rough guy. He was a drill sergeant. Now they call him “Major Dobias,” but he was a sergeant. When I first knew him, he was “Sergeant Dobias,” right out of the Army.

And he was a rough guy, physically rough and mentally rough. He was also my baseball coach. He said things like, “Stand up!” and I went, “Give me a [expletive] break.” And this guy came at me, you would never believe it. I mean, it was really fantastic.

INTERVIEWER: Did he rough you up?

MR. TRUMP: Oh yeah, absolutely.

INTERVIEWER: Grabbed you by the shirt ...

MR. TRUMP: It doesn’t matter, it was not like what happens today. And you had to learn to survive. It was tough. It wasn’t today. Those were rougher times. … These guys, you go back to some of those old drill sergeants, they can’t even understand what’s going on with this country.

He still seems to long for those older, tougher times as a presidential candidate. At a Las Vegas rally in February, as Mr. Trump scolded a protester who tried to interrupt his speech, he used strikingly similar language.

“I love the old days,” Mr. Trump told the crowd to loud cheers.

“You know what they used to do to guys like that when they were in a place like this? They’d be carried out on a stretcher, folks.”

Obsession With Media

He is intoxicated by the glow of his name in the news media, a subject he brings up repeatedly in the interviews.

He can still recall the thrill of a newspaper mentioning his name for the first time, as a high school baseball player whose performance had clinched his team’s victory.

MR. TRUMP: And I said, “I love it.” I loved it. It was the first time I was ever in a newspaper. I was a young kid, right? I was probably a sophomore in high school. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that. I thought it was amazing. … It felt good.

He was hooked. But it was not enough for Mr. Trump to become an object of media fascination. He took pleasure in knowing that such coverage was denied to almost everybody else.

When Mr. D’Antonio said that it was exciting for anybody to be mentioned in a newspaper, a seemingly wounded Mr. Trump interrupted to explain why his experience was special.

“Well, most people aren’t in print, though. Don’t forget. How many people are in print?” he asked. “Nobody’s in print.”

Mr. Trump refused to let the subject go, emphasizing over and over how unique it was that he had been mentioned in the newspaper.

By the time he was an established businessman, Mr. Trump hired a service to compile the swelling number of references to him in the media, which he then reviewed. “There are thousands of them a day,” he told Mr. D’Antonio. “Thousands, thousands a day.”

He quickly figured out that media attention was free advertising for his new hotels and golf courses, a fact that led him to frequently participate in newspaper interviews and television shows.

MR. TRUMP: I could say, “No,” and then I could advertise a project that I’m doing, like Doral or something, and spend a half a million dollars on it or a million dollars, or I can do the show and spend nothing and be on for a lot longer. Do you understand what I meant? So I’ve always felt it was a positive thing.

No matter the newspaper, magazine or show, Mr. Trump was always keeping score — of how positive the coverage was and how often he was featured, just as he does today.

He recounted his experience as a guest on Barbara Walters’s ABC special “10 Most Fascinating People,” boasting that he was on the show twice.

Just one other person had earned that distinction, Mr. Trump grudgingly acknowledged: Hillary Clinton. (In fact, Mrs. Clinton had made the list four times.)

After the first mention of his name in a newspaper, as a high schooler, Mr. Trump became hooked on seeing his name in the news media. Credit Damon Winter/The New York Times
Fear of Being Forgotten

Ultimately, Mr. Trump fears — more than anything else — being ignored, overlooked or irrelevant.

That’s how he saw Arsenio Hall in the 2000s, as forgotten and ungrateful for his time on “The Celebrity Apprentice,” Mr. Trump’s reality television competition, which Mr. Hall won in 2012.

During his final interview with Mr. D’Antonio, as their relationship had warmed and deepened, Mr. Trump turned philosophical. He recalled a favorite song, performed by Peggy Lee, “Is That All There Is?” — a poignant ballad about unfulfilled dreams and dissatisfaction with life.

MR. TRUMP: It’s a great song because I’ve had these tremendous successes and then I’m off to the next one. Because, it’s like, “Oh, is that all there is?” That’s a great song actually, that’s a very interesting song, especially sung by her, because she had such a troubled life.

But he quickly retreats from the moment, declining Mr. D’Antonio’s invitation to further explain how the song makes him feel about himself, saying he might not like what he discovers.

Of this, however, Mr. Trump is certain: He needs the world’s attention and its embrace, a life force that has sustained him for decades.

He recalled the feeling of walking into a giant room and watching as the crowd surrounded him, as if he were a magnet attracting everything around him.

Mr. D’Antonio asked him when that first started. “Long time ago,” Mr. Trump replied. “It’s always been that way.”

Did it ever unnerve him, the author wondered.

“No,” Mr. Trump said. “I think what would unnerve me is if it didn’t happen.”
What Drives Donald Trump? Fear of Losing Status, T... (show quote)


Augh! I'm convinced! I'm voting for the hag now!



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Oct 27, 2016 00:07:53   #
Richard94611
 
From the Oct 31 issue of The New Yorker Magazine, page 31, regarding Trump:

"If the prospect of a female president represents a departure in the history of American politics, the candidacy of Donald J. Trump, the real estate mogul and Republican nominee, does, too -- a chilling one. He is manifestly unqualified and unfit for the office. Trained in the arts of real-estate promotion and reality television, he exhibits scant interest in or familiarity with policy. He favors conspiracy theory and fantasy, deriving his knowledge from the darker recesses of the Internet and "the shows." He has never held office or otherwise served his country, never acceded to the authority of competing visions and democratic resolutions.

"Worse still, he does not accept the authority of constitutional republicanism -- its norms, its faith, its practices, its explicit rules and implicit understandings. That much is clear from his statements about targeting press freedoms, infringing on an independent judiciary, banning Muslim immigration, deporting undocumented immigrants without a fair hearing, reviving the practice of torture, and, in the third and final debate, his refusal to say that he will accept the outcome of the election. Trump has even threatened to prosecute and imprison his opponent. The American demagogues from the past century who most closely resemble him -- Father Coughlin and Senator Joseph McCarthy among them -- were dangers to the republic, but they never captured the Presidential nominatrion of a major political party. Father Coughlin commnded a radio show and its audience. President Trump would command the armed forces of the United States, control its nuclear codes, appoint judges, propose legislation, and conduct foreign policy. It is a convention of our quadrennial pieties to insist that this election is singularly important. But Trump really does represent something singular. The prospect of such a President -- erratic, empty, cruel, intolerant, and corrupt -- represents a form of national emergency."


BigMike wrote:
Augh! I'm convinced! I'm voting for the hag now!

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Oct 27, 2016 00:22:40   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Richard94611 wrote:
From the Oct 31 issue of The New Yorker Magazine, page 31, regarding Trump

"If the prospect of a female president represents a departure in the history of American politics, the candidacy of Donald J. Trump, the real estate mogul and Republican nominee, does, too -- a chilling one. He is manifestly unqualified and unfit for the office. Trained in the arts of real-estate promotion and reality television, he exhibits scant interest in or familiarity with policy. He favors conspiracy theory and fantasy, deriving his knowledge from the darker recesses of the Internet and "the shows." He has never held office or otherwise served his country, never acceded to the authority of competing visions and democratic resolutions.

"Worse still, he does not accept the authority of constitutional republicanism -- its norms, its faith, its practices, its explicit rules and implicit understandings. That much is clear from his statements about targeting press freedoms, infringing on an independent judiciary, banning Muslim immigration, deporting undocumented immigrants without a fair hearing, reviving the practice of torture, and, in the third and final debate, his refusal to say that he will accept the outcome of the election. Trump has even threatened to prosecute and imprison his opponent. The American demagogues from the past century who most closely resemble him -- Father Coughlin and Senator Joseph McCarthy among them -- were dangers to the republic, but they never captured the Presidential nominatrion of a major political party. Father Coughlin commnded a radio show and its audience. President Trump would command the armed forces of the United States, control its nuclear codes, appoint judges, propose legislation, and conduct foreign policy. It is a convention of our quadrennial pieties to insist that this election is singularly important. But Trump really does represent something singular. The prospect of such a President -- erratic, empty, cruel, intolerant, and corrupt -- represents a form of national emergency."
From the Oct 31 issue of The New Yorker Magazine, ... (show quote)


What does the hag questionably being a female have to do with anything? This article starts off stupid.

Qualified? The hag suffers from CRS (can't remember shit) and can't keep secrets secret...hard to do when you're selling them.

America is obligated to accept NO ONE as an immigrant. I'd put a moratorium on all immigration until the people in charge got their shit together.

McCarthy? You ain't seen nothin' until the hag gets in office and has the bully pulpit to go after her enemies.

What a ridiculous, hysterical bunch of political pabulum.



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Oct 27, 2016 01:41:51   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Thanks for your input. I am definitely not desperate.


Just letting you know Beck no longer speaks as a conservative.

He ostracized himself when he flipped.out more than two.years ago. His diminished audience and ratings show it.

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Oct 27, 2016 01:50:15   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Richard94611 wrote:
Looking up Trump's past attempts to help other people is a fool's errand, since he has not done that. His attempts to "help" may seem like help to you, but they are always self-serving. You obviously don't have a grip on Trump's personality.


You obviously did not look.

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Oct 27, 2016 02:14:43   #
Richard94611
 
I have been looking at this for months.

Docadhoc wrote:
You obviously did not look.

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Oct 27, 2016 02:17:33   #
Richard94611
 
BigMike, the fact that a woman probably will become President shows an important shift in attitudes in this country. Clinton is extremely able and experienced. If she is as crooked as you want us to believe, how is it that over the years she has never been indicted, much less convicted, for committing any crime? At best, your thinking is obtuse and murky.


BigMike wrote:
What does the hag questionably being a female have to do with anything? This article starts off stupid.

Qualified? The hag suffers from CRS (can't remember shit) and can't keep secrets secret...hard to do when you're selling them.

America is obligated to accept NO ONE as an immigrant. I'd put a moratorium on all immigration until the people in charge got their shit together.

McCarthy? You ain't seen nothin' until the hag gets in office and has the bully pulpit to go after her enemies.

What a ridiculous, hysterical bunch of political pabulum.
What does the hag questionably being a female have... (show quote)

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