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Sep 12, 2016 16:23:57   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
kenjay wrote:
I can live with that.


For the time being at least. so can I

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Sep 12, 2016 16:27:37   #
mcmlx
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
I would say that you have to make that choice.

My self I would call the fire department first.
The hope would be that they bring as many as they can as quick as they can & fight both fires at the same time.

I am sorry but we have to be sure that we are able to save as much of our way of life we can.

The general feeling is we have police & firemen with the hope of never having to call them.



I respectfully give up trying to reason with you.
If you are as dense as your posts imply, I will be on to more important things, like cleaning up my own back yard and putting the fires out at home.

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Sep 12, 2016 16:29:00   #
kenjay Loc: Arkansas
 
mcmlx wrote:
I respectfully give up trying to reason with you.
If you are as dense as your posts imply, I will be on to more important things, like cleaning up my own back yard and putting the fires out at home.

Amen😈

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Sep 12, 2016 16:44:43   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
You go reason with ISIS. I'll be waiting for how it turned out. I am not saying your thoughts don't have merit but you are acting as if America and other nations have moral equivalence. If that is your stance we disagree. If your talking about the Crusades that was quite a while ago and they were actually a response to Muslim aggression. What wars in the name of Christ are being fought today? Some times you fight to protect yourself and those you care about. Do you believe if we just pack are bags and leave them alone they won't carry on their caliphate? By the way I took 9/11 personal. You act like if we were somehow nicer that nut in N. Korea would behave or Putin or the red Chinese. People who think like you end up making good slaves.
Floyd Brown wrote:
Could the sins of our past finely caught up with us.

Say what you will but the only way you idea of what to do will mean engaging in war that would mean a greater cost in money & life's than what already have been lost.

Have you ever hear or read about what has taken place in the name of Christ has done what you find appalling.

The wars that have been fought in the nane of Christ are still being fought today.

I say there is very little to say but that all we are doing is making them madder & more people are hating Us. After over ten years of fighting them what have we done but make them & our allies hate us more for our heavy hand in all of this.

We need to set back and find out just who is going to gain from what is going on. That is our enemy. Could that be us (I don't don't see me gaining any thing. How about you?)

Why are we in a position where the Average American has to pay the cost for some one else's gain.

When you & yours under take to fight this war Personally I think you will fall short of getting the help you might need.

Just how has your personal life been treated so harshly by some one you would wish to do what you suggest to do to them..

After all they like bees would not have be as likely to bother you if you or some one didn't bother them.

Again just who or what is really behind all of this?
Could the sins of our past finely caught up with u... (show quote)

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Sep 12, 2016 16:46:56   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Why do you even restrict you self to your back yard. When what is needed in you back yard is what is needed in all back yards.

All that is really needed from any of us is to truly say what is that we really need. Then get together, lay out a plan of action a do what ever we can on making the World a better place in a way that is good for as many as is realistic.

I liken it to acting as Founding Fathers to create a World in which contains the basic idea behind the American Dream & all that is really good of what America was & could be.

The point is we need to account for all the bad that was done in the name of the American Public & center on the best of what is truly at the heart of America.

It boils down to our problems are problems that affect the World.

Other Nations problems affect Us.

We can't fix our problems with out taking in to account the Worlds Problems'

In solving our Problems we will find ways to solve some of the Worlds Problems.

Solutions to World Problems will solve some of our Problems.

So the answer is that if we want things fixed we have to look at all of the problems as one big problem.

So if we want to or not we need look at what even needs fixing we need to have the beat set of answers.
We do not live, can not & will ever not ever be isolated from the rest of the World. Our Problems are the Worlds problems & the Worlds Problems are our Problems.

Is what our Nation is about worthy of saving or not. America as it as it stands right now may be the only Nation best equipped to handle most of it's problems.

Do we want to take the right steps that we don't seem to agree on to fix what is wrong? If our way could be the right way would the World be a better World?

Do we as individuals wish to have & keep what is the basic part of what we are & want is restored?

Can we come to a strong agreement as to what is Wrong & what really needs to be done? If we what to solve a problem me first need to agree on just what the problem is.

I will have been on this site for 3yrs tomorrow. I have failed to see any change in reaching any real change in bring our views together in any meaningful way.

Which I see as ironic because we see much or what is wrong alike. I keep saying because we are divided so deeply that we have to find even in small ways the need to find common ground.

With what is going on in the world today if we are to retain any thing that is truly good about or way of life we need to act now.

So pack up our fears of what can go Wrong & Trust in our self to do what is in our heart & do what is right.

Together we need to quell our Fears & find the Trust in each other & put together an answer to send to who ever will listen to us.

I don't want to lead or follow. I just want to join together in finding answers to the problems we face. For if we can do that to paraphrase a great leader: "The dreams of this Nation will become the greatest creation of Mankind ever".

We need to seek those that have the desire to put aside their personal wants in the search for what comes to be what is best by all.

Again I say that what was great about what America was & should be a part of all we seek & need to save.

This is what I believe.
Why do you even restrict you self to your back yar... (show quote)


What we need is for you to take your globalist mentality somewhere else. We have our own homeless & starving. They come first.

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Sep 12, 2016 16:50:20   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
As things are going now there will be no currency.

Just numbers in computers.

With the system of ever increasingly larger numbers there could never be enough currency to complete all transactions.

That is really needed is to restore the Trust that is need in holding every thing in some sort of stableness.

What is need now is finding answers to what we want & what price we will pay for it.

The biggest price could come in how we have to live with the changes. What ever we do may not affect the changes but we will still pay for it.
As things are going now there will be no currency.... (show quote)


What are you on? How can there be stability with Islamics killing non believers all over the world? Move to Syria. I hope that works for you.

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Sep 12, 2016 16:53:41   #
Docadhoc Loc: Elsewhere
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Could the sins of our past finely caught up with us.

Say what you will but the only way you idea of what to do will mean engaging in war that would mean a greater cost in money & life's than what already have been lost.

Have you ever hear or read about what has taken place in the name of Christ has done what you find appalling.

The wars that have been fought in the nane of Christ are still being fought today.

I say there is very little to say but that all we are doing is making them madder & more people are hating Us. After over ten years of fighting them what have we done but make them & our allies hate us more for our heavy hand in all of this.

We need to set back and find out just who is going to gain from what is going on. That is our enemy. Could that be us (I don't don't see me gaining any thing. How about you?)

Why are we in a position where the Average American has to pay the cost for some one else's gain.

When you & yours under take to fight this war Personally I think you will fall short of getting the help you might need.

Just how has your personal life been treated so harshly by some one you would wish to do what you suggest to do to them..

After all they like bees would not have be as likely to bother you if you or some one didn't bother them.

Again just who or what is really behind all of this?
Could the sins of our past finely caught up with u... (show quote)


So you are a muslim. That explains.you.

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Sep 12, 2016 16:53:50   #
vernon
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
This is an issue that will take time to have it work out.

We do have rules & means to keep or restrict people from entering our country. Bottom line we can make it harder to enter but with our almost open borders with Canada & Limited control of entry from Mexico & with long ocean shore lines The only step that can stop or remove those here would take having a tamper proven way to know who every one is . This could mean that we all would have to prove who were are at any time.

We really can't have unlimited mobility between Nations until we have a safe way of identifying people.

If they are all ready here there is a another. Just how do you go about proving just who don't belong with out upsetting many who have a right to be here.

As for a wall they will just dig under it or clime over it. One has to take what the total cost may be to stop those from entering & deporting those already here.

In this day & age with an increase in coming to grips with the issue is very problematic.

It may take getting from Latin's here now how best to gain control of the situation with the least offensive way to those here now legally.
Rather than stopping people randomly one could just contact Latin organization. Showing a bit of understanding could help in coming up with the best way to solve the issue.

I don't think a blanket amnesty is the answer. The word or support from some one here could help & should be apart of it. Of coarse a fair means of letting people in to the country needed to be put in placed at the same time.
This is an issue that will take time to have it wo... (show quote)


if you dont think walls work check china ,england ,the white house ,isreal,greese they are building all over the world and they are working.dont believe what these progressive communist say they just want a world without borders.noe i know you are smart enough to know that won't work.

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Sep 12, 2016 16:56:15   #
mcmlx
 
vernon wrote:
if you dont think walls work check china ,england ,the white house ,isreal,greese they are building all over the world and they are working.dont believe what these progressive communist say they just want a world without borders.noe i know you are smart enough to know that won't work.



Don't forget the Vatican.

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Sep 13, 2016 08:06:06   #
bggamers Loc: georgia
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
Why do you even restrict you self to your back yard. When what is needed in you back yard is what is needed in all back yards.

All that is really needed from any of us is to truly say what is that we really need. Then get together, lay out a plan of action a do what ever we can on making the World a better place in a way that is good for as many as is realistic.

I liken it to acting as Founding Fathers to create a World in which contains the basic idea behind the American Dream & all that is really good of what America was & could be.

The point is we need to account for all the bad that was done in the name of the American Public & center on the best of what is truly at the heart of America.

It boils down to our problems are problems that affect the World.

Other Nations problems affect Us.

We can't fix our problems with out taking in to account the Worlds Problems'

In solving our Problems we will find ways to solve some of the Worlds Problems.

Solutions to World Problems will solve some of our Problems.

So the answer is that if we want things fixed we have to look at all of the problems as one big problem.

So if we want to or not we need look at what even needs fixing we need to have the beat set of answers.
We do not live, can not & will ever not ever be isolated from the rest of the World. Our Problems are the Worlds problems & the Worlds Problems are our Problems.

Is what our Nation is about worthy of saving or not. America as it as it stands right now may be the only Nation best equipped to handle most of it's problems.

Do we want to take the right steps that we don't seem to agree on to fix what is wrong? If our way could be the right way would the World be a better World?

Do we as individuals wish to have & keep what is the basic part of what we are & want is restored?

Can we come to a strong agreement as to what is Wrong & what really needs to be done? If we what to solve a problem me first need to agree on just what the problem is.

I will have been on this site for 3yrs tomorrow. I have failed to see any change in reaching any real change in bring our views together in any meaningful way.

Which I see as ironic because we see much or what is wrong alike. I keep saying because we are divided so deeply that we have to find even in small ways the need to find common ground.

With what is going on in the world today if we are to retain any thing that is truly good about or way of life we need to act now.

So pack up our fears of what can go Wrong & Trust in our self to do what is in our heart & do what is right.

Together we need to quell our Fears & find the Trust in each other & put together an answer to send to who ever will listen to us.

I don't want to lead or follow. I just want to join together in finding answers to the problems we face. For if we can do that to paraphrase a great leader: "The dreams of this Nation will become the greatest creation of Mankind ever".

We need to seek those that have the desire to put aside their personal wants in the search for what comes to be what is best by all.

Again I say that what was great about what America was & should be a part of all we seek & need to save.

This is what I believe.
Why do you even restrict you self to your back yar... (show quote)


we have been trying to police the world,feed the world and look where its gotten us nowhere. most other countrys hate us the goverments of some of the other countrys take the food we leave to be given to the poor and sell it and put the money in their pockets. we have poor here at home ,children going hungry, people and familys living on the streets. He's right we have to save ourselve before there is nothing left to save. I learned a long time ago you cannt take care of anyone if you dont take care of yourself first.

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Sep 13, 2016 08:30:47   #
mcmlx
 
bggamers wrote:
we have been trying to police the world,feed the world and look where its gotten us nowhere. most other countrys hate us the goverments of some of the other countrys take the food we leave to be given to the poor and sell it and put the money in their pockets. we have poor here at home ,children going hungry, people and familys living on the streets. He's right we have to save ourselve before there is nothing left to save. I learned a long time ago you cannt take care of anyone if you dont take care of yourself first.
we have been trying to police the world,feed the w... (show quote)



!!!!!

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Sep 13, 2016 09:51:31   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
We do not live, can not & will not ever be isolated from the rest of the World. Our Problems are the Worlds problems & the Worlds Problems are our Problems.






Yea, {I think}, FB; "leading from behind" {"BHB"} may be the stupidest thing I have ever heard; but then scrubbed "screwl" {RUSH} records could be exactly why the records were "scrubbed." Some Psychologists and professors in "Academia" claim the current POTUS "IQ," to be around 115. And the world sure is on fire about the overall backwards, consequential, and downright destructive "executive" decisions made over the past {nearly} 8 years. Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TRUMP!!!

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Sep 13, 2016 18:51:28   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
We do not live, can not & will not ever be isolated from the rest of the World. Our Problems are the Worlds problems & the Worlds Problems are our Problems.


Sophistry. Human nature will always assert itself...meaning government can't be trusted. It's necessary, but needs to be severely limited in its power over the individual. How many times has this been conclusively proven?

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Sep 13, 2016 18:55:44   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
mcmlx wrote:
I respectfully give up trying to reason with you.
If you are as dense as your posts imply, I will be on to more important things, like cleaning up my own back yard and putting the fires out at home.


He refuses to acknowledge human nature.

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Sep 13, 2016 19:51:53   #
Hogback
 
What does all of that mean anyway?

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