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Aug 29, 2016 15:27:04   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
missinglink wrote:
Muchas gracias . ¿Dónde está la oficina más cercana de la seguridad social. ( Gracias de nuevo. Tengo trillizos en mi vientre y yo soy muy hambriento 0


Yo no sabía que estabas embarazada. (Plus, I had to look up triplets. That isn't one I've come across. )

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Aug 29, 2016 15:28:45   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
It's so simple. No work permit? No work. Deportation.
Cheating employers go straight to jail.
P.S. These laws are already on the books.


I thought the 1986 Amnesty Act provided for only $10,000 fine for each illegal employee and didn't know about the bosses going to jail. Maybe it has changed since then. At any rate you and Judicial Watch are exposing the DOI (Department of Injustice) and its boss quite well.

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Aug 29, 2016 15:28:58   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
Yes, good riddance to the North American Union. I hope you are willing to help with the harvest. I am. I have done farm work and love the open sky and the beauty of the land.


When I was kid, we didn't have Burger King for an after school job. It was yard and farm work for movie money.

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Aug 29, 2016 15:36:45   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
There is a simple solution to this problem. Let us return to the American tradition of our students helping with the harvest during summer vacation. That is why we have the custom of school summer vacation.

We would not need government student loans to pay for college. Think of installing a work ethic in those budding little geniuses instead of us poor little taxpayers subsidizing the college orgies of sex, drugs and rockn'roll. Are our own citizens too smart to work?

Benefits:
Elimination of incentive for illegal immigration
Elimination of massive prison populations
Elimination of 20 million Social Security fraud
Elimination of welfare
Elimination of student loans
Elimination of much of our national debt
There is a simple solution to this problem. Let us... (show quote)


Your solution is the best I have seen but I am not sure how many of our "students" of today would do such demeaning work. If they were pointed at what would be the main help for them like making money, etc maybe some of them would work but I don't think most of them would want to help with harvest of wheat, in summer, and like that. Of course, they wouldn't have to lie in tanning beds if they picked lettuce or other food stuffs.

You have come up with the real answer but how many college students haven't been pointed away from work by their professors.

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Aug 29, 2016 15:57:54   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
I mowed lawns, delivered papers , washed cars.
When old enough worked in a fruit packing house part time
during school and full time when school was out.

My father gave us a cotton pickin course one year.
A fruit picking course another year.
Both times it was spur of the moment just driving down the road.
Both times he didn't say a word to us children. He would talk to the
foreman for a few minutes then to work we went. Hand over hand farm work
and the ccc camps kept him and his brother and his mother alive
during the depression. He never forgot those days and wanted
us to experience them. I am so glad he did.

The cotton picking by hand was a life changing moment for me.
I realized how hard it must have been to do that job all day long
every day during the season because my father explained
it to us. Not whining, not crying but proud he got thru
the ordeal while keeping himself and others together.
He always tipped a hat or shook the hand of people in like
circumstances his entire life.
What people did just to survive was extraordinary. My
dad still spoke the lingo and he and the crew hit it off
completely. Skin color was no issue. They all knew
what my dad was doing and why. The mutual respect
was obvious and that was no jalopy we left on
the roadside . Having a real man as a father was enlightening.
A precious commodity and I knew it then, as a child.

Ah crap. Typing to much. For some reason my memory
is pretty perky these days.
Have a good day.



Loki wrote:
When I was kid, we didn't have Burger King for an after school job. It was yard and farm work for movie money.

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Aug 29, 2016 16:21:15   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
missinglink wrote:
I mowed lawns, delivered papers , washed cars.
When old enough worked in a fruit packing house part time
during school and full time when school was out.

My father gave us a cotton pickin course one year.
A fruit picking course another year.
Both times it was spur of the moment just driving down the road.
Both times he didn't say a word to us children. He would talk to the
foreman for a few minutes then to work we went. Hand over hand farm work
and the ccc camps kept him and his brother and his mother alive
during the depression. He never forgot those days and wanted
us to experience them. I am so glad he did.

The cotton picking by hand was a life changing moment for me.
I realized how hard it must have been to do that job all day long
every day during the season because my father explained
it to us. Not whining, not crying but proud he got thru
the ordeal while keeping himself and others together.
He always tipped a hat or shook the hand of people in like
circumstances his entire life.
What people did just to survive was extraordinary. My
dad still spoke the lingo and he and the crew hit it off
completely. Skin color was no issue. They all knew
what my dad was doing and why. The mutual respect
was obvious and that was no jalopy we left on
the roadside . Having a real man as a father was enlightening.
A precious commodity and I knew it then, as a child.

Ah crap. Typing to much. For some reason my memory
is pretty perky these days.
Have a good day.
I mowed lawns, delivered papers , washed cars. br ... (show quote)


You talking about the CCC reminds me of some things I saw from them and other FDR groups. The football stadium I played in in high school had permanent seating that they built as did many of them in Western Kansas. We had a really fine outdoor toilet where I grew up that was built by the WPA about 5 years before we moved there. It had a concrete pit, a concrete stool with a fine folding seat and the building was attached to the concrete floor. Damn that was a fine toilet, nearly as nice as the indoor facilities we moved to when I was 15.

My dad worked for my uncle in a grocery store in the 40s and drove a tractor for various local farmers in the evenings. He drove 15 miles every morning very early to pick 300 lb. blocks of ice and distributed it around the countryside before the store opened. He actually worked his ass off keeping his four kids fed and we appreciated it. He believed in work and didn't make us start working till about 12. I worked in that grocery store for 4 years before we moved when I was 15.

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Aug 29, 2016 21:23:44   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
missinglink wrote:
I mowed lawns, delivered papers , washed cars.
When old enough worked in a fruit packing house part time
during school and full time when school was out.

My father gave us a cotton pickin course one year.
A fruit picking course another year.
Both times it was spur of the moment just driving down the road.
Both times he didn't say a word to us children. He would talk to the
foreman for a few minutes then to work we went. Hand over hand farm work
and the ccc camps kept him and his brother and his mother alive
during the depression. He never forgot those days and wanted
us to experience them. I am so glad he did.

The cotton picking by hand was a life changing moment for me.
I realized how hard it must have been to do that job all day long
every day during the season because my father explained
it to us. Not whining, not crying but proud he got thru
the ordeal while keeping himself and others together.
He always tipped a hat or shook the hand of people in like
circumstances his entire life.
What people did just to survive was extraordinary. My
dad still spoke the lingo and he and the crew hit it off
completely. Skin color was no issue. They all knew
what my dad was doing and why. The mutual respect
was obvious and that was no jalopy we left on
the roadside . Having a real man as a father was enlightening.
A precious commodity and I knew it then, as a child.

Ah crap. Typing to much. For some reason my memory
is pretty perky these days.
Have a good day.
I mowed lawns, delivered papers , washed cars. br ... (show quote)


Too bad your Dad isn't around today. We should send him to Washington to oversee the student loans. What if Trump gets elected and refuses any more government bailouts? I hear in the summer time the pea farmers are paying $20/hour to get the harvest in.

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Aug 29, 2016 21:51:55   #
Tomtrout
 
Using "legalese" as politician often do. It was proposed that a path to citizenship be offered to those who have not committed a felony since they have been in the US. This precludes their illegal entry. Much like Hillary's claim that she did not send or receive any classified information on her server because they were at a later date deemed classified. This defies common logic because they were still on her server. What she testified was technically true but was far from the spirit of truth. Even with this technicality she was later proven to have lied. This issue was posed years ago to congressman the late Sonny Bono who was Cher's ex-husband. His reply was priceless. "If they are in this country illegally.they have committed a crime and should be considered a criminal. Why is this even a controversy?"

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Aug 29, 2016 22:43:17   #
Carol Kelly
 
CounterRevolutionary wrote:
It's so simple. No work permit? No work. Deportation.
Cheating employers go straight to jail.
P.S. These laws are already on the books.


But it seems the law has been reversed. If illegals are hired, the company is left to break the law. If the company requires proof from the immigrant of his legality, then he's on the wrong side of the law. This sounds very strange and UN-AMERICAN. Meantime they continue to stream across the border with their hands out and the border patrol is hand-cuffed. And Obama is bringing in our enemies by the thousands and sending them God only knows where. I'll admit I am very confused.

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Aug 29, 2016 23:14:53   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Carol Kelly wrote:
But it seems the law has been reversed. If illegals are hired, the company is left to break the law. If the company requires proof from the immigrant of his legality, then he's on the wrong side of the law. This sounds very strange and UN-AMERICAN. Meantime they continue to stream across the border with their hands out and the border patrol is hand-cuffed. And Obama is bringing in our enemies by the thousands and sending them God only knows where. I'll admit I am very confused.


There is not one government agency willing to intercede, Obama has stacked his Cabinet top to bottom with leftwing radicals. Let's hope that enough Americans wake up and vote the bums out of office. It never ceases to amaze me how so much arrogance is espoused from so many braindead politicians in the Democrat Party.

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Aug 30, 2016 07:23:14   #
Radiance3
 
Tomtrout wrote:
The key phrase is "illegal immigrants without felonies" . Not paying taxes is tax fraud and is punishable by prison. Working with a stolen SS card or an illegal ID, ID theft is fraud and is also a felony. Receiving government paid entitlement i.e. food stamps, housing assistance, welfare or any other government or state assistance is fraud and is a punishable felony. Dept of education estimates the cost of public education is approximately $10,000 per student per year. If a dependent of an illegal alien has attended a public school for several years, it would be an impossibility to re-pay.( perhaps the Clinton Foundation will pay for this financial burden to support their progressive ideology and buy another democrat party vote). An ITIN is not a permit to work in the US or to receive a refund. Filing a Schedule C (self employment) for cash income payments without a legitimate SS card remains a tax fraud. Hiring an illegal for financial compensation without maintaining a valid I-9 is misdemenor punishable with a fine of $500 per day of employment payed by the employer. It would be interesting to find out how an illegal immigrants that have been in the US for an extended period of time has survived here without committing at least one of these felonies.
The key phrase is "illegal immigrants without... (show quote)

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I think it would be better to send all illegals back, require them to line up and apply to legally come to the US. The dangers of allowing them to stay are so costly, that are bankrupting the US taxpayers.
Here are the burdens. The basis of stay must be carefully analyzed so that the US taxpayers will not be burdened so much.
1. Even if you require them to pay taxes, their income is not enough to meet the threshold of taxable income. Therefore, all withheld taxes from their pay checks are refunded at the end when they file the tax return. In addition, because they have many children, our tax laws on EITC, will give them more money at the end of each taxable year. The family of 5 received at about $6,400 plus per year. Fact is this process has bankrupted our US Treasury, and IRS has paid hundreds of billions of dollars each year on this program alone.
2. Right now, they are also collecting for food stamps, and if they are allowed legally, could qualify for SSI.
3. Mexicans have so many children. Our school system will be flooded with Mexican kids. Our school system spends each kids in school average of $13,400 per year. It is more expensive in NYC $16,000/year. That is why every year, the cities and counties increase our property taxes, which pays 65% of the public school system.
4. Our Medical cost is staggering and many Americans and Veterans are not even provided Medical Care. Recently there was another veteran who committed suicide desperately waiting for doctor's care, always required to wait for so long.

I think President Trump has to think carefully about blanket stay for illegals. Those who have been here for 20 years or more, have obtained college degrees, and higher skills for good jobs can stay based on their records.

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Aug 30, 2016 07:41:50   #
PeterS
 
Tomtrout wrote:
The key phrase is "illegal immigrants without felonies" . Not paying taxes is tax fraud and is punishable by prison. Working with a stolen SS card or an illegal ID, ID theft is fraud and is also a felony. Receiving government paid entitlement i.e. food stamps, housing assistance, welfare or any other government or state assistance is fraud and is a punishable felony. Dept of education estimates the cost of public education is approximately $10,000 per student per year. If a dependent of an illegal alien has attended a public school for several years, it would be an impossibility to re-pay.( perhaps the Clinton Foundation will pay for this financial burden to support their progressive ideology and buy another democrat party vote). An ITIN is not a permit to work in the US or to receive a refund. Filing a Schedule C (self employment) for cash income payments without a legitimate SS card remains a tax fraud. Hiring an illegal for financial compensation without maintaining a valid I-9 is misdemenor punishable with a fine of $500 per day of employment payed by the employer. It would be interesting to find out how an illegal immigrants that have been in the US for an extended period of time has survived here without committing at least one of these felonies.
The key phrase is "illegal immigrants without... (show quote)


What if they've been paying taxes all along? Most employers will take out taxes--whether they include them in their 940 and 941's is another story--so does that mean they get to stay?

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Aug 30, 2016 07:54:07   #
Randy131 Loc: Florida
 
Coming into the USA illegally is a crime, nobody should be rewarded for committing a crime, and doing so only encourages more crime. What is it that you can't understand about this?

Obama has dropped over 15 million unemployed Americans of working age (16 years to 54 years of age) from the 'US Workforce' because they've been without a job for 52 weeks and longer, and despite Obama claiming that the USA has been in 7 years and 3 months straight of his declared economic recovery of June 2009, he has never added a single one of those 15 million unemployed Americans back into the 'US Workforce'. Obama also claims that he has created 14 million jobs during his first 7 years as President. So who have been getting the jobs that Obama claims to have created?

We have immigration laws for very important reasons, for security for Americans, to protect Americans health, and to preserve American jobs for Americans, among just three of many reasons, and all of these three reasons have been violated by illegal immigrants, with many murders, return of diseases that were once made extinct in the USA, and 104 million unemployed Americans of working age, out of a pool of only 256 million Americans of working age.

The BLS reports that they no longer count over 95 million unemployed Americans in the 'US Workforce' because they've been without a job for 52 weeks and longer, but they also say that they do still count over 8 million unemployed Americans in the 'US Workforce because they haven't been without a job for 52 weeks yet, but when they are out of work for 52 weeks and longer, they also will be dropped from the 'US Workforce', in order to falsely keep the official unemployment rate low, when in actuality it is just barely above 40%, not the 4.8% claimed by Obama and the Democrats (over 95 million unemployed dropped, but over 8 million unemployed still counted, total 104 million unemployed, out of 256 million working aged Americans according to the BLS internet website, do the math yourself).

The real unemployment is mainly this high because of two things, first illegal immigrants taking American jobs, for Democrats don't have to export American jobs to different countries, for they allow the importation of foreign illegal immigrants to take American jobs right here in the USA, because those illegal immigrants will work for much less than American citizens will, and second because of Obama's and the Democrats' complete failure to get our economy working and running again at the pace it should be.

Have you ever wonder why the liberals have been telling us that there are only 11 million illegally immigrants living in the USA, for the last 12 years, despite the Border Patrol giving us numbers up to and more than a million illegal immigrants entering our country every year since Obama became President, through their calculations and projections of those they know they do not catch, and the ones that they do catch, Obama makes them release in the USA with a court date that none ever make?



Tomtrout wrote:
The key phrase is "illegal immigrants without felonies" . Not paying taxes is tax fraud and is punishable by prison. Working with a stolen SS card or an illegal ID, ID theft is fraud and is also a felony. Receiving government paid entitlement i.e. food stamps, housing assistance, welfare or any other government or state assistance is fraud and is a punishable felony. Dept of education estimates the cost of public education is approximately $10,000 per student per year. If a dependent of an illegal alien has attended a public school for several years, it would be an impossibility to re-pay.( perhaps the Clinton Foundation will pay for this financial burden to support their progressive ideology and buy another democrat party vote). An ITIN is not a permit to work in the US or to receive a refund. Filing a Schedule C (self employment) for cash income payments without a legitimate SS card remains a tax fraud. Hiring an illegal for financial compensation without maintaining a valid I-9 is misdemenor punishable with a fine of $500 per day of employment payed by the employer. It would be interesting to find out how an illegal immigrants that have been in the US for an extended period of time has survived here without committing at least one of these felonies.
The key phrase is "illegal immigrants without... (show quote)

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Aug 30, 2016 09:36:17   #
Tomtrout
 
I am impressed that someone understands that EITC is a form of welfare. These refundable tax credits are never used when calculating household income and are exempt from taxation. Additional refundable tax credits, low income housing allowances.and food stamps are never considered when household income determines the qualification for Medicaid or Obamacare insurance premiums tax credits and none of this income is subject to taxation.

It is not a mystery that Walmart sells more large flat screen televisions and gaming consoles during the time that these tax refunds become available.

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Aug 30, 2016 09:42:16   #
maureenthannon
 
I woudln't be surprised if the Progressives made the word "illegal" illegal. They seem to think any one/thing that doesn't go with their playbook should be censored. It's a crime to deny "global warming", can't ever let facts get in the way of what they know.

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