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Aug 29, 2016 11:40:23   #
Tomtrout
 
The key phrase is "illegal immigrants without felonies" . Not paying taxes is tax fraud and is punishable by prison. Working with a stolen SS card or an illegal ID, ID theft is fraud and is also a felony. Receiving government paid entitlement i.e. food stamps, housing assistance, welfare or any other government or state assistance is fraud and is a punishable felony. Dept of education estimates the cost of public education is approximately $10,000 per student per year. If a dependent of an illegal alien has attended a public school for several years, it would be an impossibility to re-pay.( perhaps the Clinton Foundation will pay for this financial burden to support their progressive ideology and buy another democrat party vote). An ITIN is not a permit to work in the US or to receive a refund. Filing a Schedule C (self employment) for cash income payments without a legitimate SS card remains a tax fraud. Hiring an illegal for financial compensation without maintaining a valid I-9 is misdemenor punishable with a fine of $500 per day of employment payed by the employer. It would be interesting to find out how an illegal immigrants that have been in the US for an extended period of time has survived here without committing at least one of these felonies.

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Aug 29, 2016 12:02:04   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
I like it Tom.
Good level thinking.

Tomtrout wrote:
The key phrase is "illegal immigrants without felonies" . Not paying taxes is tax fraud and is punishable by prison. Working with a stolen SS card or an illegal ID, ID theft is fraud and is also a felony. Receiving government paid entitlement i.e. food stamps, housing assistance, welfare or any other government or state assistance is fraud and is a punishable felony. Dept of education estimates the cost of public education is approximately $10,000 per student per year. If a dependent of an illegal alien has attended a public school for several years, it would be an impossibility to re-pay.( perhaps the Clinton Foundation will pay for this financial burden to support their progressive ideology and buy another democrat party vote). An ITIN is not a permit to work in the US or to receive a refund. Filing a Schedule C (self employment) for cash income payments without a legitimate SS card remains a tax fraud. Hiring an illegal for financial compensation without maintaining a valid I-9 is misdemenor punishable with a fine of $500 per day of employment payed by the employer. It would be interesting to find out how an illegal immigrants that have been in the US for an extended period of time has survived here without committing at least one of these felonies.
The key phrase is "illegal immigrants without... (show quote)

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Aug 29, 2016 12:12:00   #
Carol Kelly
 
missinglink wrote:
I like it Tom.
Good level thinking.


How can one be "illegal" without felonies. Did the definition of illegal change?

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Aug 29, 2016 12:32:27   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
In the liberal playbook there will be no definition. I am sure the progressives are about to make the word illegal, illegal. Huh?
Carol Kelly wrote:
How can one be "illegal" without felonies. Did the definition of illegal change?

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Aug 29, 2016 12:41:05   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
No it can not be changed. I thought this suggestion would rid us of the vast bulk
of our current problem. Leaving only those who have assimilated and are productively
contributing to our system. Thats a small percentage.

Plug the holes first and allow no more in. PERIOD
The exportation of millions of people would be a breeze
if we started throwing anyone employing illegals in jail.
Other then gangsters they would all flee back to their points of origin.

This can go on and on. Not everyone will be pleased regardless.

Have a good day.

Carol Kelly wrote:
How can one be "illegal" without felonies. Did the definition of illegal change?

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Aug 29, 2016 13:43:03   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Tomtrout wrote:
The key phrase is "illegal immigrants without felonies" . Not paying taxes is tax fraud and is punishable by prison. Working with a stolen SS card or an illegal ID, ID theft is fraud and is also a felony. Receiving government paid entitlement i.e. food stamps, housing assistance, welfare or any other government or state assistance is fraud and is a punishable felony. Dept of education estimates the cost of public education is approximately $10,000 per student per year. If a dependent of an illegal alien has attended a public school for several years, it would be an impossibility to re-pay.( perhaps the Clinton Foundation will pay for this financial burden to support their progressive ideology and buy another democrat party vote). An ITIN is not a permit to work in the US or to receive a refund. Filing a Schedule C (self employment) for cash income payments without a legitimate SS card remains a tax fraud. Hiring an illegal for financial compensation without maintaining a valid I-9 is misdemenor punishable with a fine of $500 per day of employment payed by the employer. It would be interesting to find out how an illegal immigrants that have been in the US for an extended period of time has survived here without committing at least one of these felonies.
The key phrase is "illegal immigrants without... (show quote)


Tom Trout, the real problem is our DOJ is deliberately punishing employers who E-verify their workforce under civil rights legislation for racial profiling. Read this article from Judicial Watch and weep. We have a national security threat on our doorstep:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2015/09/doj-accuses-u-s-biz-of-discrimination-for-requiring-proof-of-work-eligibility/

DOJ Accuses U.S. Biz of Discrimination for Requiring Proof of Work Eligibility

"In its crusade to protect and assist illegal immigrants, the Obama administration has accused an American company of discrimination for requiring employees to furnish proof that they are eligible to work legally in the United States.

You know the nation is in trouble when a U.S. business gets investigated by its own government for following the law. The case involves a Nebraska meat packing company that demanded workers to furnish proof of immigration status for the federal employment eligibility verification process. The Obama Department of Justice (DOJ) went after the company, accusing it of engaging in employment discrimination.

In particular the DOJ’s Office of Special Counsel for Immigration-Related Unfair Employment Practices objected to non-U.S. citizens being “targeted” because of their citizenship status. “The department’s investigation found that the company required non-U.S. citizens, but not similarly-situated U.S. citizens, to present specific documentary proof of their immigration status to verify their employment eligibility,” the DOJ claims. This could constitute a violation of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), the feds assert, because its anti-discrimination provision prohibits employers from making documentary demands based on citizenship or national origin when verifying an employee’s authorization to work.

With the feds breathing down its neck the business, Nebraska Beef Ltd, agreed to pay Uncle Sam a $200,000 civil penalty and establish an uncapped back pay fund to compensate individuals who lost wages because they couldn’t prove they are in the county legally. Additionally, the business will undergo “compliance monitoring,” which means big brother will be watching very closely. The head of the DOJ’s civil rights division explains that the agency is on a mission to eliminate “unnecessary and discriminatory barriers to employment” so workers can support their families and contribute to the U.S. economy.

This case is part of a broader effort by the Obama administration to helps illegal aliens in the U.S. Besides shielding tens of millions from deportation via an executive amnesty order, the president has also expanded the DOJ to help carry out part of this mission. It’s why the agency’s civil rights division has grown immensely under Obama.

A few years ago Judicial Watch reported that the DOJ’s civil rights division launched a secret group to monitor laws passed by states and local municipalities to control illegal immigration. Because the measures are viewed as discriminatory and anti-immigrant by the administration, the DOJ has spent huge sums of taxpayer dollars to track them and legally challenge them as it did in Arizona.

The federal tentacles have reached deeply into the workplace. A few years ago the DOJ civil rights division, under the leadership of renowned illegal alien advocate Thomas Perez, [Secretrary of Labor] launched a plan to eliminate tests that supposedly discriminate against minorities in the workplace. The administration defines them as having a “disparate impact,” a racial discrimination created by the various written exams. The tests disproportionately screen out people of a particular race, even though they “present the appearance of objective, merit-based selection,” according to the Obama DOJ.

Last year a federal audit disclosed that the Obama administration was letting businesses that hire undocumented workers off the hook by drastically reducing fines and enforcement. During a three-year period the administration slashed by 40% the amount of fines collected from employers caught with illegal immigrants on their payroll, according to the probe which was conducted by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Inspector General. This inconsistent implementation hinders the government’s mission to prevent or deter employers from violating immigration laws, the DHS watchdog wrote in its report. Now the DOJ is taking it a step further by going after employers that try to ensure their workers are in the U.S. legally.

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Aug 29, 2016 13:51:54   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
missinglink wrote:
No it can not be changed. I thought this suggestion would rid us of the vast bulk
of our current problem. Leaving only those who have assimilated and are productively
contributing to our system. Thats a small percentage.

Plug the holes first and allow no more in. PERIOD
The exportation of millions of people would be a breeze
if we started throwing anyone employing illegals in jail.
Other then gangsters they would all flee back to their points of origin.

This can go on and on. Not everyone will be pleased regardless.

Have a good day.
No it can not be changed. I thought this suggesti... (show quote)


It's so simple. No work permit? No work. Deportation.
Cheating employers go straight to jail.
P.S. These laws are already on the books.

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Aug 29, 2016 13:58:05   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
Absolutely
Obammies DOJ is busy doing the dirty work of the far left.

Constitutional America will very shortly be no more.


CounterRevolutionary wrote:
It's so simple. No work permit? No work. Deportation.
Cheating employers go straight to jail.
P.S. These laws are already on the books.

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Aug 29, 2016 14:22:47   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
Tomtrout wrote:
The key phrase is "illegal immigrants without felonies" . Not paying taxes is tax fraud and is punishable by prison. Working with a stolen SS card or an illegal ID, ID theft is fraud and is also a felony. Receiving government paid entitlement i.e. food stamps, housing assistance, welfare or any other government or state assistance is fraud and is a punishable felony. Dept of education estimates the cost of public education is approximately $10,000 per student per year. If a dependent of an illegal alien has attended a public school for several years, it would be an impossibility to re-pay.( perhaps the Clinton Foundation will pay for this financial burden to support their progressive ideology and buy another democrat party vote). An ITIN is not a permit to work in the US or to receive a refund. Filing a Schedule C (self employment) for cash income payments without a legitimate SS card remains a tax fraud. Hiring an illegal for financial compensation without maintaining a valid I-9 is misdemenor punishable with a fine of $500 per day of employment payed by the employer. It would be interesting to find out how an illegal immigrants that have been in the US for an extended period of time has survived here without committing at least one of these felonies.
The key phrase is "illegal immigrants without... (show quote)


The answer is twofold: First they haven't, unless (second) they picked one HELL of a lot of lettuce. Of course many of the illegals came here legally, and then just overstayed when their rent-a-puta had a brat on US soil.

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Aug 29, 2016 14:41:03   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
Will ship-a-hoy matey. I totally spaced on anchor babies.
How could I forget so easily . California roadsides shown evidence
of them in the form of dirty diapers everywhere.
I left a few years back and they were everywhere then that is.
By now those kids are big enough to protest and they are.

Mexican flags proudly flapping everywhere. The smell of
tacos everywhere. Dog fights , chicken fights.
Mexican hit parade music waffing on the breeze
all week end 24 hrs a day.
Couldn't find parking on your block because one
out of every 8 homes was multiple family with ten cars.

Gee , I don't miss it one damn part of it.



Loki wrote:
The answer is twofold: First they haven't, unless (second) they picked one HELL of a lot of lettuce. Of course many of the illegals came here legally, and then just overstayed when their rent-a-puta had a brat on US soil.

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Aug 29, 2016 14:50:30   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
missinglink wrote:
Will ship-a-hoy matey. I totally spaced on anchor babies.
How could I forget so easily . California roadsides shown evidence
of them in the form of dirty diapers everywhere.
I left a few years back and they were everywhere then that is.
By now those kids are big enough to protest and they are.

Mexican flags proudly flapping everywhere. The smell of
tacos everywhere. Dog fights , chicken fights.
Mexican hit parade music waffing on the breeze
all week end 24 hrs a day.
Couldn't find parking on your block because one
out of every 8 homes was multiple family with ten cars.

Gee , I don't miss it one damn part of it.
Will ship-a-hoy matey. I totally spaced on anchor ... (show quote)


Bienvenidos a Los Estados Unidos de Mexico del Norte, (con las estampillas de comida para todos. )

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Aug 29, 2016 14:50:51   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Loki wrote:
The answer is twofold: First they haven't, unless (second) they picked one HELL of a lot of lettuce. Of course many of the illegals came here legally, and then just overstayed when their rent-a-puta had a brat on US soil.


There is a simple solution to this problem. Let us return to the American tradition of our students helping with the harvest during summer vacation. That is why we have the custom of school summer vacation.

We would not need government student loans to pay for college. Think of installing a work ethic in those budding little geniuses instead of us poor little taxpayers subsidizing the college orgies of sex, drugs and rockn'roll. Are our own citizens too smart to work?

Benefits:
Elimination of incentive for illegal immigration
Elimination of massive prison populations
Elimination of 20 million Social Security fraud
Elimination of welfare
Elimination of student loans
Elimination of much of our national debt

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Aug 29, 2016 14:59:14   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
Muchas gracias . ¿Dónde está la oficina más cercana de la seguridad social. ( Gracias de nuevo. Tengo trillizos en mi vientre y yo soy muy hambriento 0


Loki wrote:
Bienvenidos a Los Estados Unidos de Mexico del Norte, (con las estampillas de comida para todos. )

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Aug 29, 2016 15:00:56   #
CounterRevolutionary
 
Loki wrote:
Bienvenidos a Los Estados Unidos de Mexico del Norte, (con las estampillas de comida para todos. )


Yes, good riddance to the North American Union. I hope you are willing to help with the harvest. I am. I have done farm work and love the open sky and the beauty of the land.

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Aug 29, 2016 15:13:01   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
Tomtrout wrote:
The key phrase is "illegal immigrants without felonies" . Not paying taxes is tax fraud and is punishable by prison. Working with a stolen SS card or an illegal ID, ID theft is fraud and is also a felony. Receiving government paid entitlement i.e. food stamps, housing assistance, welfare or any other government or state assistance is fraud and is a punishable felony. Dept of education estimates the cost of public education is approximately $10,000 per student per year. If a dependent of an illegal alien has attended a public school for several years, it would be an impossibility to re-pay.( perhaps the Clinton Foundation will pay for this financial burden to support their progressive ideology and buy another democrat party vote). An ITIN is not a permit to work in the US or to receive a refund. Filing a Schedule C (self employment) for cash income payments without a legitimate SS card remains a tax fraud. Hiring an illegal for financial compensation without maintaining a valid I-9 is misdemenor punishable with a fine of $500 per day of employment payed by the employer. It would be interesting to find out how an illegal immigrants that have been in the US for an extended period of time has survived here without committing at least one of these felonies.
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But Tom, you have done such a great job of pointing out how all of them are felons if they somehow entered legally but how did they do that. You have just tacked on all the felonies they have committed besides illegal entry and put out an argument as to how all of them are felons. I think you should let your Congress persons in on this unless they are all Democrats. Of course, if they are of that persuasion they want all the illegals they can have who will someday vote for all Democrats.

Damned fine list that so few others have ever thought of.

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