Stunning Maps Depict Collapse Of Obamacare "Coverage" In 2017 (Page 2): You either don't know or lie. I believe you just don't know. I know how the process is supposed to work.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

3jack wrote:

The President doesn't introduce to or block legislation in congress....you know it!!!!! However, being a right winger, you probably don't know how the process works.

You either don't know or lie. I believe you just don't know. I know how the process is supposed to work. Remember the changes Obama made through regulatory changes to the ACA? Of course you don't. Look unless you think single payer is the solution (I don't) no government plan is going to bring costs down or make health care more accessible.

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

MrEd wrote:

How about if they at least write it before they vote on it.

How about they don't write garbage, period???

3jack

JFlorio wrote:

You either don't know or lie. I believe you just don't know. I know how the process is supposed to work. Remember the changes Obama made through regulatory changes to the ACA? Of course you don't. Look unless you think single payer is the solution (I don't) no government plan is going to bring costs down or make health care more accessible.

There were no regulatory changes made to the ACA by Obama. He did make changes to the effective dates of some items but the law, as written, was never changed. The only way the cost of health care can be reduced is to eliminate the for profit aspect of the service. Until that happens, we will be paying through the nose.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

3jack wrote:

There were no regulatory changes made to the ACA by Obama. He did make changes to the effective dates of some items but the law, as written, was never changed. The only way the cost of health care can be reduced is to eliminate the for profit aspect of the service. Until that happens, we will be paying through the nose.

How you going to do that? Set Doctor salaries? Easy to say. How do you improve the quality of healthcare without reducing access, number of doctors etc. ?

3jack

JFlorio wrote:

How you going to do that? Set Doctor salaries? Easy to say. How do you improve the quality of healthcare without reducing access, number of doctors etc. ?

You do it by setting fees for the entire function of the facility operations (doctors, nurses, administrative, mechanical, medicine, procedures, ect) and eliminate the percentage of profit demanded by the operators. Contrary to popular belief, all doctors are not looking to get rich from the services they provide. Some are genuinely concerned about the well being of others, and I venture to say that the majority fall within that category, otherwise they would not have chosen the medical profession. Additionally, many in the nursing profession are more than capable of providing valid care on a routine basis, so nursing responsibilities could be expanded thus freeing up licensed doctors for more critical services. I, being a diabetic, have been serviced by a LPN when my endocrinologist was not available, and I received basically the same service. It can be done, but it would require our congress to remove their hands from the pockets of the medical providers.

Ricko Loc: Florida

3jack wrote:

The President doesn't introduce to or block legislation in congress....you know it!!!!! However, being a right winger, you probably don't know how the process works.

3jack-BS -you know what he meant and your defense of the fraud in the White House is falling on deaf ears. Judge the man by what he does as opposed to what he says. Obamacare is on life support and will be replaced by market based sensible plans without huge deductibles. Good Luck America !!!

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

3jack wrote:

The President doesn't introduce to or block legislation in congress....you know it!!!!! However, being a right winger, you probably don't know how the process works.

However he does arbitrarily make laws, which is Congress' job.

3jack

Ricko wrote:

3jack-BS -you know what he meant and your defense of the fraud in the White House is falling on deaf ears. Judge the man by what he does as opposed to what he says. Obamacare is on life support and will be replaced by market based sensible plans without huge deductibles. Good Luck America !!!

I am not a mind reader, but if you are...have at it. This supposedly "fraud in the White House" has been there for over 7 1/2 years and you hater still can't get used to the fact that our opinions of him doesn't mean shit. Obamacare is here to stay, and if congress would get off their asses, they could make it better. Market based "service for profit" health care has never been and never will be affordable no matter what the deductible.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

3jack wrote:

You do it by setting fees for the entire function ... (show quote)

Again jack you are just giving non-solutions to a problem. What person will become a doctor, being $250,000 in student loan debt. They're not all sister Theresa's. Setting fees? Who the hell pays for that? Much more difficult than you seem to say. You sure your not a politician?

Nickolai

mwdegutis wrote:

Tyler Durden ~ August 26, 2016
Remember when Obama toured around the country telling everyone that Obamacare was going to increase competition and lower premiums? If not, here is an example to help jog your memory (comments taken from Obama remarks delivered at Prince George's Community College on 9/26/13):

“Now, this is real simple. It’s a website where you can compare and purchase affordable health insurance plans, side-by-side, the same way you shop for a plane ticket on Kayak -- (laughter) -- same way you shop for a TV on Amazon. You just go on and you start looking, and here are all the options.

It’s buying insurance on the private market, but because now you’re part of a big group plan -- everybody in Maryland is all logging in and taking a look at the prices -- you’ve got new choices. Now you've got new competition, because insurers want your business. And that means you will have cheaper prices.” (Applause.)

As pointed out numerous times things are not really playing out as Obama had hoped with premiums skyrocketing and "competition" collapsing. The two maps below prove that point beautifully by illustrating the epic collapse of Obamacare coverage in just one year, a collapse that will leave a stunning number of people across the country with only one option for health insurance. Meanwhile, healthcare shoppers in Pinal County, Arizona will actually be left with no options in 2017 as all carriers have abandoned service there. (charts per the New York Times)

2016 healthcare insurance carriers by county:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user230519/imageroot/2016/08/18/Obamacare%202016.JPG

2017 healthcare insurance carriers by county:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user230519/imageroot/2016/08/18/Obamacare%202017.JPG

Meanwhile, the Obama administration continues to insist that all is well with the Affordable Care Act. Per the New York Times:

“The Obama administration says it is too early to evaluate competition in the Obamacare markets for 2017. Marjorie Connolly, a spokeswoman for the Department of Health and Human Services, said: “A number of steps remain before the full picture of marketplace competition and prices are known. Regardless, we remain confident that the majority of marketplace consumers will have multiple choices and will be able to select a plan for less than $75 per month when Open Enrollment begins Nov. 1.”

The first step is admitting you have a problem.

i Tyler Durden ~ August 26, 2016 /i br Remember ... (show quote)

Single payer and get rid of the insurance companies and every body will be better off

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

missinglink wrote:

Agreed
The plan is progressing nicely !!!!
The real pain is going to kick in when
the Engineer of this diabolical plan
is out of office. Just as planned.

I do not have the tree but I've got the rope.

A telephone pole CAN and WILL work....yep!

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

3jack wrote:

If trying to repeal the ACA 52 times is enough, yes. What they haven't done is try to come up with legislation to make it better, but we all know why, don't we.

We sure do, Jack and his name is Barack Obama. Oh yes, he certainly would veto anything they pass to replace his abomination that the insurance companies are pulling away from.

You do understand that those Republicans have known all along that Obama would sure veto anything they passed.

oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Nickolai wrote:

Single payer and get rid of the insurance companies and every body will be better off

Well now, Nikky, you have finally admitted to being a Communist as I have accused you of being all this time.

bggamers Loc: georgia

mwdegutis wrote:

Tyler Durden ~ August 26, 2016
Remember when Obama toured around the country telling everyone that Obamacare was going to increase competition and lower premiums? If not, here is an example to help jog your memory (comments taken from Obama remarks delivered at Prince George's Community College on 9/26/13):

“Now, this is real simple. It’s a website where you can compare and purchase affordable health insurance plans, side-by-side, the same way you shop for a plane ticket on Kayak -- (laughter) -- same way you shop for a TV on Amazon. You just go on and you start looking, and here are all the options.

It’s buying insurance on the private market, but because now you’re part of a big group plan -- everybody in Maryland is all logging in and taking a look at the prices -- you’ve got new choices. Now you've got new competition, because insurers want your business. And that means you will have cheaper prices.” (Applause.)

As pointed out numerous times things are not really playing out as Obama had hoped with premiums skyrocketing and "competition" collapsing. The two maps below prove that point beautifully by illustrating the epic collapse of Obamacare coverage in just one year, a collapse that will leave a stunning number of people across the country with only one option for health insurance. Meanwhile, healthcare shoppers in Pinal County, Arizona will actually be left with no options in 2017 as all carriers have abandoned service there. (charts per the New York Times)

2016 healthcare insurance carriers by county:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user230519/imageroot/2016/08/18/Obamacare%202016.JPG

2017 healthcare insurance carriers by county:
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user230519/imageroot/2016/08/18/Obamacare%202017.JPG

Meanwhile, the Obama administration continues to insist that all is well with the Affordable Care Act. Per the New York Times:

“The Obama administration says it is too early to evaluate competition in the Obamacare markets for 2017. Marjorie Connolly, a spokeswoman for the Department of Health and Human Services, said: “A number of steps remain before the full picture of marketplace competition and prices are known. Regardless, we remain confident that the majority of marketplace consumers will have multiple choices and will be able to select a plan for less than $75 per month when Open Enrollment begins Nov. 1.”

The first step is admitting you have a problem.

i Tyler Durden ~ August 26, 2016 /i br Remember ... (show quote)

I retired early and had a great plan with obama care 275 a month jan of 2015 went to pay they had jacked my payment up to 475 . had to go back to work for the insurance. then found out that the tax rebate they said not to worry about they are making me pay back.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

3jack wrote:

Maybe it's time for congress to do something, eh?

Stop meddling? Reverse their fuck up? Do their job?