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Aug 27, 2016 08:24:34   #
viking747
 
Steve, That was a very good post. you're right on target

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Aug 27, 2016 10:11:53   #
Radiance3
 
Steve700 wrote:
Islam 101 -- Islam in Nut Shell:

Learning about "Taquiya" & "Abrogation" is essential to understanding Islam, especially before discussions with Muslims:
"Taqiyya": is Lying & Deceit for the sake of Allah & to advance Islam
"Abrogation": Tells you those tolerant & peaceful verses in the Quran have been abrogated, that is replaced & superseded by later more
Violent verses, therefore, making the earlier verse null,void & obsolete before Mohammed even died. When verses contradict the latter
One prevails.

Islam is Not called "The Religion of Peace" because they are peaceful, but rather because that is their AGENDA -- To bring about
World peace, but that is to be accomplished by eliminating every other religion, culture & political system so that Allah alone is worshiped.

Islam divides humanity into only two groups: "The House Of Islam" (the Muslims who are loved by their God) & "The House of War",
(infidels who are hated by Allah for rejecting the Koran). Unbelievers are also known as "Kafirs". The Kafir is to be hated, humiliated and
Subjugated when the Muslims have the power to do so. If they are allowed to live in Muslim controlled communities, they must pay the
"jizzia", a special extortion tax (protection money) for the privilege of being allowed to live as a 3rd class citizen. The Kafir (that's you)
Can be deceived, plotted against, terrorized, made war upon, raped, enslaved or beheaded by any Muslim. Such actions by any Muslim
Are considered to be "in the cause of Allah" & pleasing to their God. It is the duty of Muslims, to subjugate all humanity to the will of Allah.
(Sharia law). Islam has been & will be perpetually at war with the non-Muslim world until that is accomplished.

Western Muslims who are not devout allow their conscience & common sense to determine what aspects of the Quran they want to
Accept & incorporate into their own personal belief system. These people we call "Moderate Muslims" They will not; can not & do not
Change the Islam of the ages. (Islam as Mohammed set it up to be & as he intended) Islam is what the Quran, Hadith and other
Authoritative Islamic texts say it is, not what any particular Muslim feels or thinks it is. (270 million slaughtered for "The Cause of Allah" since Mohammed -- 60 battles of conquest during Mohammed's lifetime -- 548 major Islamic battle since then until ISIS.)
Here are two excellent dramatized videos of the historic Islamic aggression since Mohammed, short and long versions:
HTTPS://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo (5 Minutes) &
HTTPS://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&list=PLxKnqETu0QJMmJecJRDFAjTtRfb6nB6s4 (44Minutes)

Warning: Learning about "Taquiya" & "Abrogation" is essential to understanding Islam before discussions with Muslims.
Learn more about Islam here: Http://www.thereligionofpeace.com

Islam is Not so much a Religion as it is a Total Way of Life; an
Ideology that includes a Political and Legal System as well as a
Militaristic Component . Islam is Not Only an Intolerant, Totalitarian
SUPREMICIST Ideology (like Nazism) that Justifies and Sanctifies
Hatred Violence and Murder; it is in fact a Violent Expansionist
Religion that Seeks the Destruction or Subjugation of All Other
Religions, Political Systems, And Cultures. Violence is and has
Always Been an Integral Aspect of Islam. The Qur'an Teaches that
By Refusing to Convert to Islam the Infidel has made " Mischief &
Corruption" in the land and thus is seen as a threat to Islam and
As having Declared War on Allah. They are thus seen as a danger
To Islam and the Muslims must respond to defend Allah and his
"True Religion" - That is: Make War Upon Them. To Subjugate &
Kill for the Sake of Allah is a Duty of Jihad. The Qur'an Gives the
Muslim the Manifest Destiny of World Domination.

The Qur'an tells the Muslims that they are the best of all people & that they are ordained to subjugate and/or kill for the sake of & in the
"Cause of Allah". This is justified in the Quran by telling the that Allah hates the infidel & that the Muslims are victims and that all
The non-Muslims hate them.

There have been over 28,000 Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11 - Most on their own fellow Muslims, often of different sects, in
Other countries. Of all the world's religions, Islam is the most demanding of respect while doing the least to earn it.

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you and let them find harshness in you and know that Allah is with
Those who keep their duty" Qur'anSura 9:123 -- Just 1 of hundreds of such verses. Unlike Old Testament dictates for slaughter, which
Were only for specific instances (like against people who were doing human sacrifice or plotting genocide on the Jews), those in the
Quran are for all times and all places until Allah alone is worshiped.

Mohammed himself said "I have been made victorious with eloquent speech and Terror" -- "Murder of unbelievers is a small mater to us"
-- "The blood of Infidels is worth no more than that of a Dog" -- "Fight them until there is no more disbelief and until there is only Islam
And Allah alone Is worshiped" (last quote: Quran 8:39)

All Muslims lie because they have to. The truth of Islam is absolutely indefensible to the western mind. We are doomed because the
Marxist left that runs the world refuses to WAKE UP ALREADY & Stop Believing the lie that Islam has been hijacked and is really a noble
Peaceful religion same as any other.

Mohammed was a pedophile, a murderer, a mass murder, a rapist, a thief, a robber, a plunderer of the innocent, an extortionist and a
Slaver who had those who disagreed with him killed. It is important to understand that in Islam Mohammed is held up as the ideal man.
(above Jesus; and he is pretty much worshiped second only to Allah) It is incumbent on all Muslims to to follow his example. In Islamic
Theology, insulting Mohammed (including the truth about him & his religion) calls for the death penalty. I do not insult Mohammed but I do
Tell the truth about him. There is something very wrong when Muslims find fault with the truth about Mohammed and his religion.
Suppression of the truth will lead to our demise as the Europeans experiment in multi-cultural is proving out. It is important to understand
That moderate Muslims have more children than Catholics in trying to do their nonviolent part for Jihad which is incumbent upon all Muslims.
The theology of Islam does not want peace, but only victory. They really have no need for violence, since we Westerners, are not even
Reproducing to maintain our own numbers as we foolishly enjoy our "Sexual Freedom" and abort the results. however, violence will
Continue because Islam is a religion of victimhood & feeling self-righteousness,that is based on hatred and violence. Muslims don't
Assimilate and within a couple generations, they will win by sheer numbers, (particularly in Europe, where they also are enjoying their
"Sexual Freedom" & Aborting the product of it. They must have a continual flow of immigrants in order to avoid a declining population.

Now go back and make use of the above blue Link to see at least that very informative, short dramatized five minute video on the extent of Islamic aggression since Mohammed
b Islam 101 -- Islam in Nut Shell: /b br br L... (show quote)

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Thank you Steve. This gives more people knowledge why Muslims don't assimilate our culture, and gather as one nation even though they benefit their livelihood in America. All Mosques in America DO NOT FLY the American flag. Muslims have no loyalty to the US. They are proud and arrogant, like that Khan who practices Sharia Law, and help bring so many Muslims in the US via his legal office, paying him thousands of dollars.

All Christian churches and Jewish synagogues fly the American flag. But Muslims don't. They don't
do charitable works to help our people in need, and don't help those damaged by natural disasters. They isolate, and plan attacks. Some of them join our US military, only to sabotage and kill fellow soldiers, when opportunity comes. Allahu Akbar shouted Nidal Hassan, then killed his fellow soldiers in Fort Hood, Texas. Many of us have been victims of heads being chopped off. But still Hillary and Obama like more of them to come to the US to be feed by taxpayers.

Many still support Hillary despite that her agenda for Muslims is to increase 550% every year to come to the US. Is it because Hillary bait her supporters with free everything to live on, as they march on the streets causing violence demanding for more.

By all her works, it is clear now that Hillary had acted lawlessly. Wait, more are coming when WikiLeak releases the proofs soon.
That is why she welcomes millions of illegals who are lawless into the US to join her.
That is why she defends the lawless BLM on the streets killing police officers.
She multiplies her lawless supporters for more power and control so that she wins the seat at the WH.
She'll be the queen of lawless people who she multiplies to become majority to rule over us.
Among those she'll multiply are Muslims run by Sharia Law.

After the San Bernardino terrorists attack, DOJ warned all Americans not to criticize Muslims otherwise those who do will be persecuted to the highest extent of the law. This is what we have now, America, do you want to continue being subjugated by Islam?
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Aug 27, 2016 11:48:32   #
bilordinary Loc: SW Washington
 
Flat Earther?

Super Dave wrote:
When ignorant people say what they believe it is not a lie.

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Aug 27, 2016 12:37:19   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
bilordinary wrote:
Flat Earther?


Or global warming alarmist. Take your pick.

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Aug 27, 2016 12:47:57   #
kenjay Loc: Arkansas
 
Steve700 wrote:
All Muslims Lie & I mean ALL. To begin with all Muslims repeatedly tell us that we worship the same God but they know full well that that is not true. The proof is in their statement 'Allahu Akbar' that they continue to profess so frequently. It does not mean 'God is great' as they keep telling us, but rather 'Allah is Greater' --- is Greater than what? Well greater than the Christian & Jewish God of course. Lying about the true nature of Islam, in order to protect it, is an integral part of Islamic theology. They even have a name for that suggested pattern of conduct which is 'Taqiyya' (ta key ya). 3 more deceptive things the Muslims tell you are:

(#2) when they say they don't believe in killing the innocent, they are not bothering to tell you that in Islamic theology No non-Muslims can be considered innocent. In fact any non-Muslim has a death penalty hanging over their head for not accepting Islam since they are considered as having declared war on Allah by that rejection and therefore it is incumbent upon any and all Muslims to come to the defense of Allah and his true religion, to whatever degree is possible for them. Now you know why Muslims get so irate when the or Mohammed is insulted.

(#3) If you have any doubt that any Muslim will lie any time just try asking any Muslim what Mohammed did for a living after his first wife. I must've asked at least 100 Muslims and they lied every time. There is no way that they will tell you the truth on that, which is that he was amassing an army (which he later used to take over Mecca and overthrow the religion of that era that was honoring 360 Gods) and was attacking every caravan he could find out about, going between Saudia Arabia and Egypt, stealing all the goods, slaughtering anyone considered unfit to be put into slavery, raping the women, and tearing the caravans to shreds leaving nothing of use behind.

(#4) calling Islam the 'Religion Of Peace' as they do is also deceptive since in order to bring about that worldwide peace they must first eliminate all other cultures, political systems and religions Intel there remains only Islam and Allah alone is worshiped. That means that Islam is a SUPREMACIST ideology intent on taking over the entire world the same as Nazi-ism had planned to do. (Among others, reference Quran 8:39 which abrogates all the earlier nonviolent versus)
All Muslims Lie & I mean ALL. To begin with a... (show quote)

Allah is just a big round cold rock hanging in space,and Muslims are still sixth century barbaric pagans worshipping it. And you are one hundred percent correct about there lying.

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Aug 27, 2016 13:00:31   #
Don G. Dinsdale Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)
 
Steve I agree with you, your detractors seem to be angry and ignorant of the true Islamic jihad for America...

If any really want to know "What's Up" I suggest they read the short pamphlet By Robert Spencer: "Death by a Thousand Cuts"; 'The Muslim Brotherhood's Silent Jihad in America'...

Order it from:
David Horowitz Freedom Center
P.O.Box 55089
Sherman Oaks, CA 9149-1964
www.frontpagemag.com

The vision of Mohamed Akram for 'Brotherhood' members in America...

How many serve in Obama's admin., who is Huma Abedin, they have accomplished much of their plan thus far...

And we sit around "fat, dumb & ignorant"... Don D.


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Steve700 wrote:
All Muslims Lie & I mean ALL. To begin with all Muslims repeatedly tell us that we worship the same God but they know full well that that is not true. The proof is in their statement 'Allahu Akbar' that they continue to profess so frequently. It does not mean 'God is great' as they keep telling us, but rather 'Allah is Greater' --- is Greater than what? Well greater than the Christian & Jewish God of course. Lying about the true nature of Islam, in order to protect it, is an integral part of Islamic theology. They even have a name for that suggested pattern of conduct which is 'Taqiyya' (ta key ya). 3 more deceptive things the Muslims tell you are:

(#2) when they say they don't believe in killing the innocent, they are not bothering to tell you that in Islamic theology No non-Muslims can be considered innocent. In fact any non-Muslim has a death penalty hanging over their head for not accepting Islam since they are considered as having declared war on Allah by that rejection and therefore it is incumbent upon any and all Muslims to come to the defense of Allah and his true religion, to whatever degree is possible for them. Now you know why Muslims get so irate when the or Mohammed is insulted.

(#3) If you have any doubt that any Muslim will lie any time just try asking any Muslim what Mohammed did for a living after his first wife. I must've asked at least 100 Muslims and they lied every time. There is no way that they will tell you the truth on that, which is that he was amassing an army (which he later used to take over Mecca and overthrow the religion of that era that was honoring 360 Gods) and was attacking every caravan he could find out about, going between Saudia Arabia and Egypt, stealing all the goods, slaughtering anyone considered unfit to be put into slavery, raping the women, and tearing the caravans to shreds leaving nothing of use behind.

(#4) calling Islam the 'Religion Of Peace' as they do is also deceptive since in order to bring about that worldwide peace they must first eliminate all other cultures, political systems and religions Intel there remains only Islam and Allah alone is worshiped. That means that Islam is a SUPREMACIST ideology intent on taking over the entire world the same as Nazi-ism had planned to do. (Among others, reference Quran 8:39 which abrogates all the earlier nonviolent versus)
All Muslims Lie & I mean ALL. To begin with a... (show quote)

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Aug 27, 2016 13:21:47   #
Radiance3
 
Don G. Dinsdale wrote:
Steve I agree with you, your detractors seem to be angry and ignorant of the true Islamic jihad for America...

If any really want to know "What's Up" I suggest they read the short pamphlet By Robert Spencer: "Death by a Thousand Cuts"; 'The Muslim Brotherhood's Silent Jihad in America'...

Order it from:
David Horowitz Freedom Center
P.O.Box 55089
Sherman Oaks, CA 9149-1964
www.frontpagemag.com

The vision of Mohamed Akram for 'Brotherhood' members in America...

How many serve in Obama's admin., who is Huma Abedin, they have accomplished much of their plan thus far...

And we sit around "fat, dumb & ignorant"... Don D.


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Steve I agree with you, your detractors seem to be... (show quote)

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Hillary Clinton the serial and chronic LIAR is the enabler, supporter, and defender of Muslims. She is surrounded by Radical Islam . E.g. Huma Abedin's background and still her faith. That is why Hillary will increase 550% of Muslims including Radical Islam come annually to the US. They are Hillary's friends.

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Aug 27, 2016 14:01:03   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Steve700 wrote:
All Muslims Lie & I mean ALL. To begin with all Muslims repeatedly tell us that we worship the same God but they know full well that that is not true. The proof is in their statement 'Allahu Akbar' that they continue to profess so frequently. It does not mean 'God is great' as they keep telling us, but rather 'Allah is Greater' --- is Greater than what? Well greater than the Christian & Jewish God of course. Lying about the true nature of Islam, in order to protect it, is an integral part of Islamic theology. They even have a name for that suggested pattern of conduct which is 'Taqiyya' (ta key ya). 3 more deceptive things the Muslims tell you are:

(#2) when they say they don't believe in killing the innocent, they are not bothering to tell you that in Islamic theology No non-Muslims can be considered innocent. In fact any non-Muslim has a death penalty hanging over their head for not accepting Islam since they are considered as having declared war on Allah by that rejection and therefore it is incumbent upon any and all Muslims to come to the defense of Allah and his true religion, to whatever degree is possible for them. Now you know why Muslims get so irate when the or Mohammed is insulted.

(#3) If you have any doubt that any Muslim will lie any time just try asking any Muslim what Mohammed did for a living after his first wife. I must've asked at least 100 Muslims and they lied every time. There is no way that they will tell you the truth on that, which is that he was amassing an army (which he later used to take over Mecca and overthrow the religion of that era that was honoring 360 Gods) and was attacking every caravan he could find out about, going between Saudia Arabia and Egypt, stealing all the goods, slaughtering anyone considered unfit to be put into slavery, raping the women, and tearing the caravans to shreds leaving nothing of use behind.

(#4) calling Islam the 'Religion Of Peace' as they do is also deceptive since in order to bring about that worldwide peace they must first eliminate all other cultures, political systems and religions Intel there remains only Islam and Allah alone is worshiped. That means that Islam is a SUPREMACIST ideology intent on taking over the entire world the same as Nazi-ism had planned to do. (Among others, reference Quran 8:39 which abrogates all the earlier nonviolent versus)
All Muslims Lie & I mean ALL. To begin with a... (show quote)




As to the interpretation of 'Allahu Akbar' it can also mean " "God is [the] greatest", which I doubt any monotheistic believer would doubt, no matter their religion.

And those who think "Allah" somehow refers to a different god than the one worshipped by Jews and Christians are mistaken.



Allah (/ˈælə, ˈɑːlə, əlˈlɑː/; Arabic: الله‎, translit. Allāh‎, pronounced [ɑɫ'ɫɑh] ) is the Arabic word referring to God in Abrahamic religions. The word is thought to be derived by contraction from al ilāh, which means "the God", and has cognates in other Semitic languages, including Elah in Aramaic, ʾĒl in Canaanite and Elohim in Hebrew.

The word Allah has been used by Arabs of different religions since pre-Islamic times. More specifically, it has been used as a term to refer to God by Muslims (both Arab and non-Arab) and Arab Christians. It is now mainly used by Muslims and Arab Christians to refer to God. It is also often, albeit not exclusively, used in this way by Bábists, Bahá'ís, Indonesian and Maltese Christians, and Mizrahi Jews.Similar usage by Christians and Sikhs in West Malaysia has recently led to political and legal controversies.

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Aug 27, 2016 14:07:46   #
Radiance3
 
PaulPisces wrote:
As to the interpretation of 'Allahu Akbar' it can also mean " "God is [the] greatest", which I doubt any monotheistic believer would doubt, no matter their religion.

And those who think "Allah" somehow refers to a different god than the one worshipped by Jews and Christians are mistaken.



Allah (/ˈælə, ˈɑːlə, əlˈlɑː/; Arabic: الله‎, translit. Allāh‎, pronounced [ɑɫ'ɫɑh] ) is the Arabic word referring to God in Abrahamic religions. The word is thought to be derived by contraction from al ilāh, which means "the God", and has cognates in other Semitic languages, including Elah in Aramaic, ʾĒl in Canaanite and Elohim in Hebrew.

The word Allah has been used by Arabs of different religions since pre-Islamic times. More specifically, it has been used as a term to refer to God by Muslims (both Arab and non-Arab) and Arab Christians. It is now mainly used by Muslims and Arab Christians to refer to God. It is also often, albeit not exclusively, used in this way by Bábists, Bahá'ís, Indonesian and Maltese Christians, and Mizrahi Jews.Similar usage by Christians and Sikhs in West Malaysia has recently led to political and legal controversies.
As to the interpretation of 'Allahu Akbar' it can... (show quote)

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If their god is great why does their god requires Muslims to kill innocent Christians and others the most brutal means? I think the Muslim god is the anti-thesis of the Christian god.

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Aug 27, 2016 14:25:31   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Radiance3 wrote:
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If their god is great why does their god requires Muslims to kill innocent Christians and others the most brutal means? I think the Muslim god is the anti-thesis of the Christian god.




Are you familiar with 1 Samuel 15:2-3?

2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'

Please tell me how you justify the Christian God's directive to kill "..children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys" who could not possible be anything but innocent?

God the pot, meet god the kettle. Both indelibly black in this directive.

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Aug 27, 2016 16:21:47   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PaulPisces wrote:
As to the interpretation of 'Allahu Akbar' it can also mean " "God is [the] greatest", which I doubt any monotheistic believer would doubt, no matter their religion.

And those who think "Allah" somehow refers to a different god than the one worshipped by Jews and Christians are mistaken.
This is true. According to traditions of the three major monotheistic religions--Judaism, Christianity, and Islam--Abraham was the forefather of all three. Jews and Christians descend from Isaac and his son Jacob. Arabs revere Ishmael as their father and subsequently the father of Islam. When he founded Islam, Mohammed didn't change any of that lineage, and he acknowledged Jesus as a principle prophet but not the Messiah.

The word "God" is a generic title, not a given name. The only human to ever hear "God" reveal His name was Moses when he was on Mount Sinai. In Hebrew, His name contains no vowels--YHWH, now commonly pronounced "Yahweh." Jehovah is a Greek rendition. In the Judeo-Christian tradition, there are many titles for God, such as Elohim, Adonai, El, El Shaddai--they each refer to a particular attribute of Yahweh and therefore are used in specific references to Him. Yashua (Jesus--Greek) means "savior" or salvation.

The name, "Allah" is thought to be derived by contraction from al ilāh, which means "the God", and has cognates in other Semitic languages, including Elah in Aramaic, ʾĒl in Canaanite and Elohim in Hebrew. The word Allah has been used by Arabs of different religions since pre-Islamic times.

It is clear that the founding of the Nation of Israel in 1948 and the subsequent Arab defeat in the 6 Day War in 1967, that Islam faced a brand new game, and thus the radicalization of modern Islam took a decidedly dark turn. Bad as it was prior to this, radical Islam is working on new ground now, and "Allahu Akbar" has become a war cry.

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Aug 27, 2016 16:57:39   #
Radiance3
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Are you familiar with 1 Samuel 15:2-3?

2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'

Please tell me how you justify the Christian God's directive to kill "..children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys" who could not possible be anything but innocent?

God the pot, meet god the kettle. Both indelibly black in this directive.
Are you familiar with 1 Samuel 15:2-3? br br 2 Th... (show quote)

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For Christians, those things do not happen now, and did not happen in the Gospel of Christ. The people of Christians who fought during the 7th Century when the Muslims of Mohammad were whacking and killing all Christians in the Middle East was for self defense. Because the barbarians of Mohammed when his Islam was created during the 7th century, went to the Middle East to conquer the Christian Middle East. They killed, raped, enslaved Christians, thus the Crusades were sent in 1095 to defend Christians being annihilated by barbaric Muslims of Mohammad from Mecca. And another purpose of Crusades was to take back the Church of Christ, the Holy Sepulcher, which was taken and destroyed by the Muslims.

You sound like a Muslim, I hope not. If so, I could understand, why you die, and explode for your god to inherit your Satanic Kingdom. Because Islam requires you to kill all Christians and others, as what we are witnessing almost daily here and around the world, like the chopping off of heads of Christians and Jews. While their kids are trained to kill and explode to inherit the kingdom of Satan. How many Christian heads have you chopped off already to inherit your Satanic kingdom? I hope none.

***The Gospel of Christ is about love, and service to others, and to serve the world. Christians feed the hungry, heal and comfort the sick and the elderly. Christians are there helping every world disasters. Muslims don't do that. Christians are thought by the living God Christ to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. That was the purpose of the mystery of Jesus who come to save the world from violence of evil. He gave us His life through His blood on the cross. This is the Gospel of Jesus Christ. "love they neighbor as thyself".

John 1:2
The Eternal Word - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

John 1:14
“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Now because Christians are compassionate and loving, hundreds of millions of illegal aliens came flock to our country, the USA, to free load. That include Muslims and Radical Islam to free load. But the most important purpose of Islam is to kill all Christians thus the killing starts at the Middle East, spread into the US, Europe, Africa and around the world to build their Caliphate for their god.

I believe that Islam faith is the darkness of SATAN, now trying to take over spread the vile of violence and death to those who don't convert for slavery of Islam. Is that your god? I hope not.
Psalm 1:1" Blessed is the man who does not keep the company of the wicked. Nor stand in the path of sinners, nor sit on the seats of scoffers".
Bye now. May you have peace!

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Aug 27, 2016 17:18:33   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Are you familiar with 1 Samuel 15:2-3?

2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.'

Please tell me how you justify the Christian God's directive to kill "..children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys" who could not possible be anything but innocent?

God the pot, meet god the kettle. Both indelibly black in this directive.
Are you familiar with 1 Samuel 15:2-3? br br 2 Th... (show quote)
You are referencing an Old Testament passage that pertained entirely to the ancient Hebrews, not to Christianity or the "Christian God". What do you think Jesus meant when He said, "Think not that I come to abolish the law, and the prophets, I come not to abolish, but to fulfill"?

The attempts to use OT teachings to attack Christianity is disingenuous at best and shows a complete lack of understanding of Jesus' mission on earth. Again, what do you think Jesus meant when he uttered His last words on the cross, "It is finished"?

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Aug 27, 2016 17:44:15   #
Radiance3
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You are referencing an Old Testament passage that pertained entirely to the ancient Hebrews, not to Christianity or the "Christian God". What do you think Jesus meant when He said, "Think not that I come to abolish the law, and the prophets, I come not to abolish, but to fulfill"?

The attempts to use OT teachings to attack Christianity is disingenuous at best and shows a complete lack of understanding of Jesus' mission on earth. Again, what do you think Jesus meant when he uttered His last words on the cross, "It is finished"?
You are referencing an Old Testament passage that ... (show quote)


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Thank you Blade. That was perfect.

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Aug 27, 2016 17:46:08   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
You are referencing an Old Testament passage that pertained entirely to the ancient Hebrews, not to Christianity or the "Christian God". What do you think Jesus meant when He said, "Think not that I come to abolish the law, and the prophets, I come not to abolish, but to fulfill"?

The attempts to use OT teachings to attack Christianity is disingenuous at best and shows a complete lack of understanding of Jesus' mission on earth. Again, what do you think Jesus meant when he uttered His last words on the cross, "It is finished"?
You are referencing an Old Testament passage that ... (show quote)




So why does this particular OT passage refer only to ancient Hebrews and the one in Leviticus about homosexuality gets carried over to modern day Christians?
And if Jesus was meant to "fulfill" in this passage the indirect object of his verb "fulfill" is clearly "the law", which I believe you are saying means Old Testament laws.

I have a hard time accepting that "the law" as the object of "abolish" in the first part of this quote means Old Testament Law and what Jesus referred to later in the same sentence to "fulfill" is something entirely different.




Though I do not count myself as a Christian as I would define it, I honestly am not trying to demolish your faith.
That is yours to believe and the right to do so is guaranteed by our Constitution. Even if there were no Constitution at all I can't see how I, or anyone, would have the right to tell you what to believe or not believe.

But to try and explain away the inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible seems to me worth calling out as a self-serving manipulation.

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