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Aug 29, 2016 14:10:27   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Steve - I completely realize it is pointless to disagree with anything you say. So I will end my part of this discussion with these few statements.

1. You threatened, if I did not stop what I was saying, to send some frogs with bloody fangs into my bedroom at night (and for some reason you even decided to inject my sexual orientation into your post.) If that is an example of how a good Christian should respond to anything at all then I am not convinced it is a good path to follow.

2. All I have done in this thread is to challenge a couple of inconsistencies in the Bible, advise that your statements about Allah are inconsistent with both history and the practice of Islam today, and comment in jest to a few ridiculous posts in this thread.

3. I have never condemned any Christian, nor made fun of that faith. If you feel I have done so then I apologize, for it was never my intent. My goal has always been to apply logic (Many would say my God-given brain) to examine certain beliefs and texts.

4. I have consistently, in this thread an others, validated that people have the right to believe any thing they choose to. It seem to me that I am often not accorded the same privilege.
Steve - I completely realize it is pointless to di... (show quote)
God be with you, Paul. Quite a civil response. You have to take much of what Steve posts with a grain of salt, his so-called Christian world view is a radical synthesis of metaphysics, black magic, mythological constructs, and wild-assed theories that pollute and confuse what should stand on its own--The Word of God as presented in the Bible.

I know that it is easy to believe there are inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible, this is not a book that can be understood in one reading. If one considers the ultimate importance of the underlying message then one must approach it with a commitment to study it as thoroughly as is humanly possible. Not an easy task. But I have heard a number of pastors emphasize that the Bible is its own best teacher. To bring all manner of external, even irrelevant, mystical influences into the Word of God is a grievous mistake and will only serve to confuse, confound, and ultimately obstruct any understanding.

Just so you know, whether you accept Him or not, Jesus loves you.

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Aug 29, 2016 15:46:50   #
jack sequim wa Loc: Blanchard, Idaho
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
God be with you, Paul. Quite a civil response. You have to take much of what Steve posts with a grain of salt, his so-called Christian world view is a radical synthesis of metaphysics, black magic, mythological constructs, and wild-assed theories that pollute and confuse what should stand on its own--The Word of God as presented in the Bible.

I know that it is easy to believe there are inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible, this is not a book that can be understood in one reading. If one considers the ultimate importance of the underlying message then one must approach it with a commitment to study it as thoroughly as is humanly possible. Not an easy task. But I have heard a number of pastors emphasize that the Bible is its own best teacher. To bring all manner of external, even irrelevant, mystical influences into the Word of God is a grievous mistake and will only serve to confuse, confound, and ultimately obstruct any understanding.

Just so you know, whether you accept Him or not, Jesus loves you.
God be with you, Paul. Quite a civil response. You... (show quote)



God Bless , well said.

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Aug 29, 2016 16:43:34   #
Homestead
 
Steve700 wrote:
No one reinterpreted the Bible to decide that violence was invalid in these days. Those quotes of God for distraction are only in the Old Testament and were for very specific times and instances only where people were continually attacking the Jews, plotting their genocide and doing human sacrifice. In Islam it's for all times and all places until the remains only Islam and Allah alone is worshiped. Get it through your head, Jesus brought a new covenant and your anti-Christian Marxist talking points are not about Christianity. Although half of the Muslim world is moderate, it doesn't matter. When push comes to shove and they feel Islam is under attack by the world all those so-called moderates will join their jihadist brothers. Tried to for once prove you don't have an immunity to education and stop using those quotes from the Old Testament to imply that Christianity is violent and no different than Islam. I don't want to hear your Bull Shit on that again.
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No one reinterpreted the Bible to decide that viol... (show quote)



Fighting against Islam? A new weapon is now available.

Unlike any other prophet, Mohammad was also a political and military leader. He insisted that Muslims should fight when called upon to put Islam in control of the whole world. During the last nine years of his life, he and his followers were involved in acts of violent conquest on average once every seven weeks.

By the time he died, he was the King of all Arabia with not a single enemy left standing. The key to his success was a new system of warfare called Jihad which Westerners usually translate as “Holy War,” but which is in fact far more than this.

More is known about Mohammad than any other religious leader. Strangely however, even in the Islamic world, few people know his story. This is not an accident. The life of Mohammad is the perfect example for all Muslims to follow. As such, it is the basis for the Islamic religion itself. You would expect then, that Muslims would be as familiar with Mohammad as Christians are with Jesus. This is not the case however.

Young Muslims are taught to recite the Koran in Arabic, but, are sternly dissuaded from understanding its meaning. Four fifths of Muslims do not even speak modern Arabic, let alone the archaic form the Koran is written in.

Generally speaking, only those Muslims who are committed enough to want to become Islamic Religious leaders or “Imams” learn about Mohammed’s life. The rest are expected to follow directions from these leaders who tend to keep this knowledge to themselves.

Ayatollah Khomeini devoted his entire life to the study of Islamic doctrine. He became the spiritual and religious leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the foremost religious authority for the entire Shiite world (differences between Shia and Sunni Islam are fairly superficial). Here is what he had to say about Islam and warfare.

“But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those (who say this) are witless.”
http://thestoryofmohammed.blogspot.com.au/p/blog-page.html

Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&feature=youtu.be

Three Stages of Jihad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_468896&feature=iv&src_vid=-SoXs0_rHY&v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

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Aug 29, 2016 20:16:00   #
Ricktloml
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
No, Allah is not Satan. Mohammed is the founder of Islam--610 AD. As the story goes, he was contacted by the angel Gabriel and from that he conceived the Qu'ran. Arabs predating Islam worshiped Allah. Therefore, Allah is not Satan.


Just for consideration-Satan has used many names throughout history. It isn't beyond the realm of possibility that Allah is one of them

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Aug 29, 2016 20:20:03   #
Steve700
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
God be with you, Paul. Quite a civil response. You have to take much of what Steve posts with a grain of salt, his so-called Christian world view is a radical synthesis of metaphysics, black magic, mythological constructs, and wild-assed theories that pollute and confuse what should stand on its own--The Word of God as presented in the Bible.

I know that it is easy to believe there are inconsistencies and contradictions in the Bible, this is not a book that can be understood in one reading. If one considers the ultimate importance of the underlying message then one must approach it with a commitment to study it as thoroughly as is humanly possible. Not an easy task. But I have heard a number of pastors emphasize that the Bible is its own best teacher. To bring all manner of external, even irrelevant, mystical influences into the Word of God is a grievous mistake and will only serve to confuse, confound, and ultimately obstruct any understanding.

Just so you know, whether you accept Him or not, Jesus loves you.
God be with you, Paul. Quite a civil response. You... (show quote)

For you to say "Much of what Steve posts must be taken with a grain of salt, his so-called Christian world view is a radical synthesis of metaphysics, black magic, mythological constructs, and wild-assed theories that pollute and confuse what should stand on its own" is absurd slanderous idiocy. And apparently vitriolic. (And what you think of as wild ass theories are evidence that your not up on eschatology and what's going on in this world, but you are) I guess you just don't like being shown up and proven wrong. Although I'm a fairly new Christian of only a couple years and still display a lot of my old carnal ways, I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that I have had far more religious training and have a better understanding of Christianity that you do. Nine years of parochial school followed by three years of CCD classes (confraternity of Christian doctrine) yet I had remained an agnostic through all that and have my whole life searched for the truth wanting to know if the Christianity thing was all true and accurate. Consequently I had always been interested in and been listening to lots of Christian and Catholic radio and TV programs. As far as reading the Bible all the time and going to church, to be honest I don't do that, but that is not a requirement of being Christian, but becoming a Christian as totally changed my life and eliminated any intentional sin or transgression against God's will, clean out of my life. I still remain a little bombastic and crude but appropriate truthful harsh rebuttal and telling you (with love) that you are full of shit, when in fact you are is no sin.

By the way the word S-H-I-T stands for 'Ship High In Transit' after the shippers discovered why their shipments of flammable gaseous products were blowing up in the hulls of their cargo ships.

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Aug 29, 2016 20:34:12   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Steve700 wrote:
For you to say "Much of what Steve posts with a grain of salt, his so-called Christian world view is a radical synthesis of metaphysics, black magic, mythological constructs, and wild-assed theories that pollute and confuse what should stand on its own" is absurd slanderous idiocy. And apparently vitriolic. I guess you just don't like being shown up and proven wrong. Although I'm a fairly new Christian of only a couple years and still display a lot of my old carnal ways, I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that I have had far more religious training and have a better understanding of Christianity that you do.
For you to say "Much of what Steve posts with... (show quote)
Really? What exactly is your understanding of Christianity? Becoming a true Christian is a challenge that transcends the intellect, Steve, you don't become a Christian by simply reading a book or looking for sources outside the Bible to explain what is in it. Your claim that you are a superior Christian and that you have a better understanding of Christianity than I is rather arrogant. Not very Christian of you.

So, what do you think a Christian should aspire to? A single sentence is all that is necessary.

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Aug 29, 2016 20:38:38   #
Steve700
 
Homestead wrote:
Fighting against Islam? A new weapon is now available.

Unlike any other prophet, Mohammad was also a political and military leader. He insisted that Muslims should fight when called upon to put Islam in control of the whole world. During the last nine years of his life, he and his followers were involved in acts of violent conquest on average once every seven weeks.

By the time he died, he was the King of all Arabia with not a single enemy left standing. The key to his success was a new system of warfare called Jihad which Westerners usually translate as “Holy War,” but which is in fact far more than this.

More is known about Mohammad than any other religious leader. Strangely however, even in the Islamic world, few people know his story. This is not an accident. The life of Mohammad is the perfect example for all Muslims to follow. As such, it is the basis for the Islamic religion itself. You would expect then, that Muslims would be as familiar with Mohammad as Christians are with Jesus. This is not the case however.

Young Muslims are taught to recite the Koran in Arabic, but, are sternly dissuaded from understanding its meaning. Four fifths of Muslims do not even speak modern Arabic, let alone the archaic form the Koran is written in.

Generally speaking, only those Muslims who are committed enough to want to become Islamic Religious leaders or “Imams” learn about Mohammed’s life. The rest are expected to follow directions from these leaders who tend to keep this knowledge to themselves.

Ayatollah Khomeini devoted his entire life to the study of Islamic doctrine. He became the spiritual and religious leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the foremost religious authority for the entire Shiite world (differences between Shia and Sunni Islam are fairly superficial). Here is what he had to say about Islam and warfare.

“But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those (who say this) are witless.”
http://thestoryofmohammed.blogspot.com.au/p/blog-page.html

Why We Are Afraid, A 1400 Year Secret, by Dr Bill Warner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&feature=youtu.be

Three Stages of Jihad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_468896&feature=iv&src_vid=-SoXs0_rHY&v=ERou_Q5l9Gw
b Fighting against Islam? A new weapon is now av... (show quote)

Your middle link for the video Why We Are Afraid by Bill Warner is one of the best videos to explain Islam that I have ever seen and here is a five-minute version on it that every American should see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

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Aug 29, 2016 21:11:28   #
Steve700
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Really? What exactly is your understanding of Christianity? Becoming a true Christian is a challenge that transcends the intellect, Steve, you don't become a Christian by simply reading a book or looking for sources outside the Bible to explain what is in it. Your claim that you are a superior Christian and that you have a better understanding of Christianity than I is rather arrogant. Not very Christian of you.

So, what do you think a Christian should aspire to? A single sentence is all that is necessary.
Really? What exactly is your understanding of Chri... (show quote)

Could you blame a college professor for feeling a bit arrogant when he is seeing the difference between himself and the willfully blind truth suppressing narcissistic and arrogant people who are considering themselves to be enlightened when trying to teach them something when a fair comparison is like when a college professor is trying to teach trigonometry and calculus to third-graders who not only don't want to learn but they haven't had the algebra that is a background that is needed for the geometry that is the necessary background for trigonometry. I know that statement only increases your believe that I'm arrogant but it's a more fair comparison that you know. I spent most of my 9 1/2 years of retirement studying eschatology and what is going on from people who have done the research and put the information out there. You people won't even watch a YouTube video unless it some entertainment thing from the popular culture. And since that is all the YouTube stuff you watch, you wrongly consider it to be a poor source of information although there are very knowledgeable people in every area of everything that are putting their knowledge out there.

As far as my being a Christian and being saved it was largely my accumulation of knowledge from YouTube videos that made me realize beyond the shadow of a doubt that Christianity is true correct and accurately God's word. I know I have been saved because I have realized what a degenerate rebellious and sinful scumball I have been. -- Come to true sincere and deep repentance, accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and made a firm resolution to no longer do anything against God's will. And I have done a pretty good job in upholding that resolution. Although I don't believe those works is what saves me, I recognize that those changes in my life are the evidence, as is the case with all people who are actually saved, that I have indeed been saved. I am on a mission to wake up any that I can and I don't care how much slandering insults and mockery I get. If I can get through to one person that results in them turning their lives around and getting saved, all my efforts will have been worth it. I do not preach Christianity much because people aren't going to listen, so I spend more time trying to show the different things that is the evidence that we are in the biblical end times, and that we war not against flesh and blood but against evil and principalities from higher domains that infect us. The foundation must be made before the building can be built on it. I hold no malice towards anyone but do get frustrated with the deliberate and constant suppression of truth with narcissistic arrogance I have to deal with, but it doesn't matter -- I will go on and recognize it is not I with the problem, but those who find fault with me. And don't get me wrong I am in no way implying that I am perfect; I am far from it.

What should a Christian aspire to ??? --- Being Christlike. Along that path it's a good idea to frequently asked yourself "What would Jesus do?" before you do.

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Aug 29, 2016 21:27:43   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Ricktloml wrote:
Just for consideration-Satan has used many names throughout history. It isn't beyond the realm of possibility that Allah is one of them
Satan has only one name--Lucifer. Across the spectrum of mythology and religious demonology, There are literally thousands of with many names and forms, Allah is not one of them. List of Theological Demons

I personally do not know any Christians, and I know many, who spend any time focusing on demons. Jesus dealt with them swiftly and without much fuss. Turned them into pigs or whatever and sent them on their way.

In Ephesians chapter 6, the Apostle Paul gives us the strongest message possible in how we should stand against evil.

Islam, however, is another matter. There is nothing to be gained in trying to decipher or even understand the entire system of Islamic doctrine since it seems even Muslims themselves don't understand it. All we need to know, as a certain body of Muslims have proven time and again, is that what drives them is evil. So, rather than wasting time trying to get inside their heads and blasting the bandwidths with rantings and ravings about demons and demonology, Islamic or otherwise, we should just stay close to God and buy more ammunition.

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Aug 29, 2016 21:37:42   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Steve700 wrote:
Could you blame a college professor for feeling a bit arrogant when he is seeing the difference between himself and the willfully blind truth suppressing narcissistic and arrogant people who are considering themselves to be enlightened when trying to teach them something when a fair comparison is like when a college professor is trying to teach trigonometry and calculus to third-graders who not only don't want to learn but they haven't had the algebra that is a background that is needed for the geometry that is the necessary background for trigonometry. I know that statement only increases your believe that I'm arrogant but it's a more fair comparison that you know. I spent most of my 9 1/2 years of retirement studying eschatology and what is going on from people who have done the research and put the information out there. You people won't even watch a YouTube video unless it some entertainment thing from the popular culture. And since that is all the YouTube stuff you watch, you wrongly consider it to be a poor source of information although there are very knowledgeable people in every area of everything that are putting their knowledge out there.

As far as my being a Christian and being saved it was largely my accumulation of knowledge from YouTube videos that made me realize beyond the shadow of a doubt that Christianity is true correct and accurately God's word. I know I have been saved because I have realized what a degenerate rebellious and sinful scumball I have been. -- Come to true sincere and deep repentance, accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior and made a firm resolution to no longer do anything against God's will. And I have done a pretty good job in upholding that resolution. Although I don't believe those works is what saves me, I recognize that those changes in my life are the evidence, as is the case with all people who are actually saved, that I have indeed been saved. I am on a mission to wake up any that I can and I don't care how much slandering insults and mockery I get. If I can get through to one person that results in them turning their lives around and getting saved, all my efforts will have been worth it. I do not preach Christianity much because people aren't going to listen, so I spend more time trying to show the different things that is the evidence that we are in the biblical end times, and that we war not against flesh and blood but against evil and principalities from higher domains that infect us. The foundation must be made before the building can be built on it. I hold no malice towards anyone but do get frustrated with the deliberate and constant suppression of truth with narcissistic arrogance I have to deal with, but it doesn't matter -- I will go on and recognize it is not I with the problem, but those who find fault with me. And don't get me wrong I am in no way implying that I am perfect; I am far from it.

What should a Christian aspire to ??? --- Being Christlike. Along that path it's a good idea to frequently asked yourself "What would Jesus do?" before you do.
Could you blame a college professor for feeling a ... (show quote)
All well and good, Steve, I would, however, suggest that you lose the rage. An internet forum is not an effective venue for evangelical missions. Good place to discuss such things, but not the place for proselytizing and for sermons. You should note that Jesus was most powerful and had the greatest influence when He was in personal contact with the people.

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Aug 29, 2016 21:49:49   #
Steve700
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Steve - I completely realize it is pointless to disagree with anything you say. So I will end my part of this discussion with these few statements.

1. You threatened, if I did not stop what I was saying, to send some frogs with bloody fangs into my bedroom at night (and for some reason you even decided to inject my sexual orientation into your post.) If that is an example of how a good Christian should respond to anything at all then I am not convinced it is a good path to follow.

2. All I have done in this thread is to challenge a couple of inconsistencies in the Bible, advise that your statements about Allah are inconsistent with both history and the practice of Islam today, and comment in jest to a few ridiculous posts in this thread.

3. I have never condemned any Christian, nor made fun of that faith. If you feel I have done so then I apologize, for it was never my intent. My goal has always been to apply logic (Many would say my God-given brain) to examine certain beliefs and texts.

4. I have consistently, in this thread an others, validated that people have the right to believe any thing they choose to. It seem to me that I am often not accorded the same privilege.
Steve - I completely realize it is pointless to di... (show quote)
Regarding my statements with the vampire frogs, sometimes something a little shocking is needed to wake a person up. I think it appropriate under the circumstances ---- the circumstances being that I frequently color act liberals on their incorrect anti-Christian Bible slandering Marxist propaganda points. Then a while later I see them continuing to repeat the same Bull Shit slandering lies. The liberals usually just don't give a damn about the truth and will continue to spread their malicious anti-Christian propaganda. Due to my previous experience of that with liberals I expect you would do the same and that's why I used that 'unchristian' tactic to try to wake you up into not continuing spreading that faulty information that has an answer. Ultimately I am going to use what works as long as it's honest and I'm sorry you didn't appreciate my feeble attempt at humor.

The rest of what you said I have no disagreement with except I think I explained about Allah quite well and I don't know what further disagreement you would have. There certainly is nothing inconsistent about what I said about the practices and history of Islam. You need to understand the dualistic two-faced nature of Islam and that unless people are very devout and going to become a cleric they are not really told, with depth, about the true nature of Mohammed and Islam. I highly recommend you watch this following 5 five-minute dramatized video that clearly explains the most major part of the history of aggression of Islam It explains an awful lot in five minutes although it doesn't give the statistics of 270 million slaughtered in the cause of Allah since Mohammed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_To-cV94Bo

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Aug 29, 2016 22:16:37   #
Steve700
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Satan has only one name--Lucifer. Across the spectrum of mythology and religious demonology, There are literally thousands of with many names and forms, Allah is not one of them. List of Theological Demons

I personally do not know any Christians, and I know many, who spend any time focusing on demons. Jesus dealt with them swiftly and without much fuss. Turned them into pigs or whatever and sent them on their way.

In Ephesians chapter 6, the Apostle Paul gives us the strongest message possible in how we should stand against evil.

Islam, however, is another matter. There is nothing to be gained in trying to decipher or even understand the entire system of Islamic doctrine since it seems even Muslims themselves don't understand it. All we need to know, as a certain body of Muslims have proven time and again, is that what drives them is evil. So, rather than wasting time trying to get inside their heads and blasting the bandwidths with rantings and ravings about demons and demonology, Islamic or otherwise, we should just stay close to God and buy more ammunition.
Satan has only one name--Lucifer. Across the spect... (show quote)

You still don't seem to get it. Allah is a made up and to and does not exist. Although Allah is not actually Satan, in effect and for all practical purposes he might as well be. Allah is a made up nonexistent entity like he was when he was the moon God, before Mohammed made him the creator God and had his followers start telling people that he was the same God that the Christians worship. I would say it was Satan who created him through the mind of Mohammed. I would say there is plenty to be gained to decipher and understand the entire system as it is necessary to understand the totality of the depth of the diabolical system that it is. Don't you think you need to understand in full what were dealing with here. The stupid liberals getting their information about Islam from Muslims is absolutely going to be the demise of us. That's like Jews getting their information about Nazi-ism from Nazis and expecting to hear the truth. What drives the liberals is not evil. It is Islamic scriptures that not only justify, but actually sanctify hatred violence and murder and many other evils that is in the hearts of evil human beings. Quranic scriptures under various circumstances gives permission to break every one of the 10 Commandments. (Particularly in Jihad) Go back to page 1 and read my long post in the middle of the page titled Islam 101 It is a very concise and accurate explanation of Islam that will give you many new facts about Islam that you're not aware of it if you haven't already read it.

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