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Dec 18, 2016 01:19:56   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
Pennylynn wrote:
The laws have always given an avenue for redemption from sins. In the Torah, one who sin against someone had to go and ask them for forgiveness and then pray..... So, what was new that Jesus taught? Did he not say “If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them,” but “if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained.” Additionally, did he not say: “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven” Ergo, does this not say that we all have the capacity to forgive those who sin against us? Same as the teachings of the Torah. Of interest, the apostles were given the authority to forgive sins and then the church began to forgive sins. Indeed, even pagans of the time claimed they could forgive sins.

I am looking for something that Jesus taught that was not already in the Torah.
The laws have always given an avenue for redemptio... (show quote)


As a thought, Jesus said, you have heard it said, thou shalt not commit adultery, but I say unto you, if a man looks upon a woman to lust after here in his heart he is guilty of adultery.

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Dec 18, 2016 11:24:13   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Armageddun wrote:
As a thought, Jesus said, you have heard it said, thou shalt not commit adultery, but I say unto you, if a man looks upon a woman to lust after here in his heart he is guilty of adultery.


He is not guilty of adultery, that is the physical act. He is guilty of coveting, which is the evil imagination of the heart and it leads to sin/adultery. 1984-The Thought Police.

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Dec 18, 2016 14:10:20   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
susanblange wrote:
He is not guilty of adultery, that is the physical act. He is guilty of coveting, which is the evil imagination of the heart and it leads to sin/adultery. 1984-The Thought Police.


The law, do not covet in my opinion, is the foundation of all the others. There are very few sins if any that do not start with the sin of covetness. All actions or behavior begin in the imaginations of the mind.

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Dec 18, 2016 15:34:42   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Armageddun wrote:
The law, do not covet in my opinion, is the foundation of all the others. There are very few sins if any that do not start with the sin of covetness. All actions or behavior begin in the imaginations of the mind.


You are absolutely correct, Armageddun. All sin is conceived of in the mind before being acted upon. That is why Hell is mental terror and not physical torture. If we regard iniquity in our heart, the Lord will not hear our prayer. Psalm 66:18. You have to come to God with "clean hands".

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Dec 18, 2016 17:46:15   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
susanblange wrote:
You are absolutely correct, Armageddun. All sin is conceived of in the mind before being acted upon. That is why Hell is mental terror and not physical torture. If we regard iniquity in our heart, the Lord will not hear our prayer. Psalm 66:18. You have to come to God with "clean hands".



Susan, I agree with everything you posted here except, "you have to come to God with clean hands." It is only after we come to God are we made clean. We are saved by grace through faith, not by works. Only the blood of Jesus can cleanse us of our sins.

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Dec 18, 2016 21:15:56   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Armageddun wrote:
Susan, I agree with everything you posted here except, "you have to come to God with clean hands." It is only after we come to God are we made clean. We are saved by grace through faith, not by works. Only the blood of Jesus can cleanse us of our sins.


Righteousness is the only way into Heaven and it's not that hard. All you have to do is repent. This is a four step process. Remorse, confession, restitution, and most importantly change. Nobody will die for your sin except yourself. God established a covenant with mankind and promised life to those who keep and fulfill it. God does not approve of human sacrifice.

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Dec 23, 2016 01:01:32   #
Armageddun Loc: The show me state
 
susanblange wrote:
Righteousness is the only way into Heaven and it's not that hard. All you have to do is repent. This is a four step process. Remorse, confession, restitution, and most importantly change. Nobody will die for your sin except yourself. God established a covenant with mankind and promised life to those who keep and fulfill it. God does not approve of human sacrifice.



I choose not to debate the issue of salvation with you. I pray that God the Father opens your mind. Hope all is well with you and yours. May the new year bring you wisdom and peace.

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