PeterS

God are we back to ego? Simply because I don't want to worship the great magician in the sky doesn't mean my ego so large there isn't room for anything else. I choose not to worship the irrational. You are welcome to do it but simply because you do don't think so, it's not your ego you checked at the door. And you and I haven't you and I done our dance yet?

And here's my question--why would Christ need to die for my, or anyone, transgressions? If god is omnipotent than he knew when he created me whether I would ever be worthy of gaining heaven. He created me knowing what I was going to do so what purpose is gained by sacrificing the product of his virgin rape?

And you don't need to answer Blade--it was more rhetorical anyway...

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

Whether we like it or not mankind has within them a desire to worship something be it spirit or object !

To mention some man made gods such as money,nature,sex,food,etc,etc anything that makes us strive to get more of .

After the fall of man in the Garden of Eden the Creator God set in motion the way for all mankind to return to him thru the shedding of blood of his own Son !

God gave all mankind the freewill choice to chose Life or Death !

All those that accepted his Son Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and sets about to follow him will inherit eternal Life !

All those that reject the shed blood of Jesus will in fact be condemned to eternal death sent to the place of eternal torment .

So mankind has a choice and that is to accept Gods plan for salvation or reject it and reap the consequences which is Eternal Life or Eternal Death which ever choice we have made at the time we draw our last breath we will be locked in that choice for all eternity !

So chose well my friends !

PeterS

Linda, we will all end up where we began. If you have no bad memories of before you were born than I seriously doubt you will have any bad memories after you die. Death is part of life. There is no more to be afraid of in death than there is anything in life.

PeterS

Choose well of what? What if Thor desires to punish me for a belief in Christ? It seems this "choose the right god" thing a bit too complex. Choose wrong and you are screwed...

4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory

Well I guess if you chose Thor who ever that god is then when you stand before God the creator on judgement day ( which BTW we all will stand before the God who created all mankind ) your assumption that your screwed as you state it you would be correct !

Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA

Think what you want. I'm not trying to make you believe anything.

Stupidity is a God given right. But it comes with consequences.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

I figure gawd is going to get pissed if I don't figure out the Bible is not true. Top that with his amazement that so many believe it is true.

All astounding. Believe the Bible, piss gawd off. I mean hell, if my girls believed in Santa Claus for real, I'd be pissed too!

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Rhetorical, huh? OK. And, "the great magician in the sky"? Oh, that's rich--only in the fact that you haven't a freaking clue. But, none of this really matters, Pete. I'm not here to dance with you or convince you of anything. You are free to believe whatever rings your bells. All I can really say is there is nothing irrational in believing there is an intelligence in this universe infinitely greater than ones self, to suggest that is a subjective opinion, nothing more.

PeterS

How do you know Thor is the incorrect god. After all he had the Hebrew laws before they did plus he told the Egyptians he was the one true god. You can't argue with that can you? You may well be backing the wrong pony and you ass in Hatties is what you are wagering. Think about that next time you head to church!

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Everyone is all happy to say others are free to believe what they want. Not me. I don't want people believing stupid stuff.

That's why I don't want fairy tales taught in schools. Hell, they might start believing that crap. Like when little kids are told unbelievable things over and over again, by adults, as if it's really true, and they start thinking they'll get in trouble if they don't believe it too!!

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Then set a good example. Stop believing stupid stuff.

PeterS

Well Websters disagree's with you--IRRATIONAISM: a system emphasizing intuition, instinct, feeling, or faith rather than reason or holding that the universe is governed by irrational or supernatural forces.

The belief in a supernatural intelligence is the very definition of irrational belief system. And no, it's not a subjective opinion. There is far more evidence that man makes up his gods than there is that his gods made him. How is it we could have gone through so many gods and poof--we got this one right? When you pull out the bible how do you know it was inspired by god and not by a Egyptian Prince well versed in the laws of Ma'at? Do you think Moses forgot his Egyptian teachings or is that where his influence really came from?

And aren't you the one who has the big giant brain here Blade? Weren't you boasting about your GPA--what was it a 3.57 or some such and you had both your bachelor and MA in English--not to mention a Vita thick enough to choke a horse? Well first off, when one resorts to the use of an appeal to authority it's a sure sign ones ego is getting in the way. Second, there is nothing wrong with the fact that the belief in god is based in irrationalism. It simply means it (the supernatural) lacks a rational means of being proved so one must use faith to accept it. That's it, so don't get so defensive over both the truth and what your own bible says you are suppose to be doing anyway. Now, if you've figured out a rational proof for god than we can throw faith out the window and we can move god from the supernatural to the natural. Is that the case? If not, than a belief in the supernatural remains in the world of the irrational and there is nothing subjective about that...

PeterS

You didn't answer my question--what religion were you raised? My bet is you are following a belief system chosen for you by your parents, by their parents before them, and so on and so on. That isn't Jesus choosing you but your parents choosing you for Jesus. Mine tried to do the same but they were Catholic and wanted me to be a priest. Just couldn't do that...

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

You chopped my comment. What did I say I believe in?

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

You are practicing psychoheresy. The Bible is very clear on rejecting blind faith and applying deductive reasoning and logic to justify true faith. Reason and faith are seamless in their applications to achieving true faith. Of course, you would not understand that, nor would you ever pursue such a transcendent experience. No worries, Pete. You are not obligated in any way to look beyond the manifest universe.