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Jul 2, 2016 01:24:06   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Singularity wrote:
Why does it seem like you are angry when I am agreeing with you (that abortion is a tragedy)except for the subsequent treatment of the miscreants?


I'm not angry, Sing...you are. Bitter, in fact.

Here's someone who's mother was counseled to abort him.

And it's good night for me. Goodnight to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoAcHt5o24M

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Jul 2, 2016 01:40:58   #
Singularity
 
BigMike wrote:
I'm not angry, Sing...you are. Bitter, in fact.

Here's someone who's mother was counseled to abort him.

And it's good night for me. Goodnight to you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoAcHt5o24M


No, I eschew cynicism by accepting and processing the heartbreak as the cost of increasing volitional lovingkindness.

I believe you may be uncomfortable with and seek to deny the validity of feminine anger at cultural mysogyny.

I will bet you have a dream tonight that will explain this to yourself!

G'nite.

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Jul 2, 2016 09:20:27   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Singularity wrote:
I feel great! Since you mention it I will point out that I am in the most enviable of human hormonal states, the post menopausal female! My hormonal regulation has become perfected to individual functioning to a degree unattainable to men (ever) or fertile women, now that childbearing is an obsolete function for me. The stability of my concentration, focus, energy, sleep cycle and mood is unparalleled!

That's how I know to go ahead and let fly when I get pissed off. I'm more likely than most to be generally well justified and to accurately judge when the bastard generally deserves it.

I express myself here through typed word; you have never observed my mouth nor heard me speak, so I assume your hyperbole is about something else. (Hopefully a personal issue about which you will be extremely reluctant to share.)

I do not advocate for abortion.

I recognize that tolerating it is a necessary evil reality, (like some husbands and all religions, for a time at least) because the world is not perfect. Husbands, wives, children, grandparents, parents, fetuses and communities aren't perfect. Heartbreakingly imperfect, a lot of the time.

And I recognize that one should judge carefully, hedging one's bets toward being a sucker rather than a cynic if given a choice. (But for consistency's sake, anyone who cheered the acquittal of George Zimmerman has no ground to stand on in opposing abortion!)

You nor I will never stand on any ground in the bare feet of a 15 year old unwanted, never loved, lavishly manicured but uncared for little girl who gazes at a future now defined by a 2cm pink cross on a pee covered stick! There is nothing metaphorical in her understanding that her parents will kill her! To carefully tease out the moral fine points, one has to be older than fifteen, generally speaking.And life has to take an unprecedented (for her) fantastic upswing in fortune for training in any such moral inspection to be possible.

As a psychiatrist, I treated a schizophrenic woman at a state hospital who had "mistakenly" roasted her infant to death in her oven. I promise I did not have to yell at her and lecture her about the personhood of her child, once her mind was restored.

Greater love has no man as she who preserves her own life (and that of her other children's mother), despite the needs of an unborn child.

Every abortion stops a beating human heart, and breaks at least one other! (Regardless of your judgement of the outer countenence.) Don't you know broken hearts respond poorly to being stomped on?

Broken hearts and stunted spirits must be handled sparingly and with utmost care and only by those who can suffer lovingly with fools, supporting them to find their way to their own light.

You can't help being foolish on these subjects. You are a man. You can never fully partake of this mystery.
I feel great! Since you mention it I will point ou... (show quote)


You're so easy. You're like the organ grinder's monkey. Start winding up the little organ and at the first note you take off your little hat, do your little dance, croak out your little song and start begging for a penny. Same song, same dance, same begging.

Saints see themselves only as sinners and sinners see themselves as saints. Physician, heal thy self!

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Jul 2, 2016 10:34:55   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
What kind of monkey or marmoset is that. Just holding it calmly would work for most people, as would a kitten or puppy. Allowing an angry hateful person to hold any living thing is dangerous for the living thing. Personally I prefer looking into the eyes of a dog because you can't fake it with a dog. Pretending you are not angry doesn't work. The dog is way too sensitive your "tells" The problem with most of us is that we cannot communicate our belief in God to an atheist because of their hateful response, and soon enough we start to interpret every thing they say as being hateful even if they may not have meant it that way.

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Jul 2, 2016 11:01:26   #
Singularity
 
padremike wrote:
You're so easy. You're like the organ grinder's monkey. Start winding up the little organ and at the first note you take off your little hat, do your little dance, croak out your little song and start begging for a penny. Same song, same dance, same begging.

Saints see themselves only as sinners and sinners see themselves as saints. Physician, heal thy self!


That's how you see it? How quaint!

We both know ad hominem is a last resort of a losing argument. Thanks for making it clear that you are aware of your deficit.

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Jul 2, 2016 11:35:41   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Singularity wrote:
That's how you see it? How quaint!

We both know ad hominem is a last resort of a losing argument. Thanks for making it clear that you are aware of your deficit.


And your overused trite retort has as much power in it as a virgin's fart. Furthermore losing an argument of any sort with an atheist is an oxymoron. One cannot lose anything to a self avowed loser. When the greatest of all reality is purposely rejected there is no argument because you're a loser before you open your mouth, put pen to paper, send your thoughts by Morse Code, or stand on the bow of a battleship and flash semaphore.

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Jul 2, 2016 11:56:44   #
Singularity
 
padremike wrote:
And your overused trite retort has as much power in it as a virgin's fart. Furthermore losing an argument of any sort with an atheist is an oxymoron. One cannot lose anything to a self avowed loser. When the greatest of all reality is purposely rejected there is no argument because you're a loser before you open your mouth, put pen to paper, send your thoughts by Morse Code, or stand on the bow of a battleship and flash semaphore.
Never mock the power of a woman's fart, that even virgins rightly know and fearfully respect!

You think I'm angry? Now who is "projecting?"

You are putting a lot of unnecessary energy into this conversation, then, for one who supposedly feels serenely confident!

Next you are likely gonna start capering and cavorting as you gloat, imagining my hateful carcass roasting in the pits of hell as Satan buttfucks me for eternity with his trident for having the temerity to disagree with you!

Why isn't that enough of a victory, if you truly believe it!?!

Oh, right, you love me.

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Jul 2, 2016 11:59:50   #
Singularity
 
no propaganda please wrote:
What kind of monkey or marmoset is that. Just holding it calmly would work for most people, as would a kitten or puppy. Allowing an angry hateful person to hold any living thing is dangerous for the living thing. Personally I prefer looking into the eyes of a dog because you can't fake it with a dog. Pretending you are not angry doesn't work. The dog is way too sensitive your "tells" The problem with most of us is that we cannot communicate our belief in God to an atheist because of their hateful response, and soon enough we start to interpret every thing they say as being hateful even if they may not have meant it that way.
What kind of monkey or marmoset is that. Just hol... (show quote)


Your belief is completely and totally communicated. You are miffed that your shiny toy is not coveted and livid that it's magic is shown to be battery powered!

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Jul 2, 2016 12:21:40   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Singularity wrote:
Never mock the power of a woman's fart, that even virgins rightly know and fearfully respect!

You think I'm angry? Now who is "projecting?"

You are putting a lot of unnecessary energy into this conversation, then, for one who supposedly feels serenely confident!

Next you are likely gonna start capering and cavorting as you gloat, imagining my hateful carcass roasting in the pits of hell as Satan buttfucks me for eternity with his trident for having the temerity to disagree with you!

Why isn't that enough of a victory, if you truly believe it!?!

Oh, right, you love me.
Never mock the power of a woman's fart, that even ... (show quote)


Well since you asked, of course I love you, and I also pray for you every night without fail as I do for all humanity, all creatures with souls. That doesn't mean I like you or approve of your behavior and unquestionably I do fear for your final end. No victory, profound sorrow, truly. But hells bells, I can still love you and continue to believe you're about as sharp as a marble and argue and insult you on those rare occasions I jump into some of your dialogue here on the OPP cattle car and poke you with a sharp stick for the pleasure of hearing you yelp.

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Jul 2, 2016 13:07:12   #
Singularity
 
padremike wrote:
Well since you asked, of course I love you, and I also pray for you every night without fail as I do for all humanity, all creatures with souls. That doesn't mean I like you or approve of your behavior and unquestionably I do fear for your final end. No victory, profound sorrow, truly. But hells bells, I can still love you and continue to believe you're about as sharp as a marble and argue and insult you on those rare occasions I jump into some of your dialogue here on the OPP cattle car and poke you with a sharp stick for the pleasure of hearing you yelp.
Well since you asked, of course I love you, and I ... (show quote)

What you are expressing is not love of another.

It is simply hubris. You love the idea of being "right", of being on some imagined "winning team" and lording over ignorant unfortunate fools whose liberty from your self induced servitude pisses you off.

If your approval of another hinges on them sharing your beliefs, you do not love the other, you love your beliefs.

late edit: Deriving pleasure from poking unknown human strangers with a sharp stick for the pleasure of hearing them yelp is textbook sociopathic behavior. I shall proceed advisedly with eyes wide opened.

And feel free to spend all the time you like in prayer. Go do it now! Discipline yourself to persist for longer and longer periods and please don't do it halfway while you try to multitask. Put in all the necessary time and concentration, to the exclusion of anything else and restrict all your energy to it.

Seriously. Please. Really.

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Jul 2, 2016 18:13:38   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Singularity wrote:
No, I eschew cynicism by accepting and processing the heartbreak as the cost of increasing volitional lovingkindness.

I believe you may be uncomfortable with and seek to deny the validity of feminine anger at cultural mysogyny.

I will bet you have a dream tonight that will explain this to yourself!

G'nite.


I didn't say cynical. I said bitter.

I was surrounded by angry people for two years, seven months and ten days. Your anger is less concerning than what it becomes in time.

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Jul 4, 2016 06:46:21   #
Bruce Kennedy Loc: Kansas
 
Meister wrote:
This is highly and hotly debated topic. The predominant Christian stance is that the Mosaic Law was only meant for the Jews. With the event of Jesus, that Covenant was fulfilled and thus ended. We have a New Covenant of love, mercy, and forgiveness. The Ten Commandments, for Christians, are no longer the rule. In effect, by Spirit and grace, there no rules. Many Christians, despite the stance of their church, do not get this. Many Jews also do not get this New Covenant. It seems to say that to lie, murder, or covet is okay because the Ten Commandments are gone (again, just for Christians). But would the love of God in a person's mind, soul, and heart do such things? Of course not! We, as Christians, are subject only to spirit and grace--not rules to obey. Doing the "right thing" is no longer obedience to a regulation but a submission to Christ. Big difference! It is no longer a dependence on will but on faith. To resist evil by our will is to succumb to evil, for, like sin, it separates us from the source or righteousness.
This is highly and hotly debated topic. The predom... (show quote)


Nice post. You and I think a lot alike.

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